Dr. Spook and the Manchurian President?

 

Well, that’s a heck of a story to wake up to:

During a special briefing last Friday, leaders of the intelligence community gave President-elect Donald Trump a synopsis of unsubstantiated and salacious allegations that Russian operatives had obtained potentially compromising personal and financial information about the president-elect, a U.S. official confirmed Tuesday.

I gather that everyone who’s anyone in Washington has read the memo containing these allegations, but no one thought it was worth publishing (until now).

Some thoughts, in random order:

1. It looks as if the first publication to write about this was Mother Jones, on October 31. Here’s how they put it:

And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.

Let’s call the “former senior intelligence officer for a Western country” Dr. Spook, for short. Was Dr. Spook shopping this to every publication in the US? Or just to Mother Jones? Maybe Mother Jones was the only publication willing to publish it? Kurt Eichenwald at Newsweek also seems to have used the memos in his reporting. Did Dr. Spook fax his memos to every journalist in Washington? 

2. The story as it’s now being presented is that this became newsworthy because Trump himself had been briefed about it. Who leaked the story that he’d been briefed about it, and why? Why now? Apparently, “multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings” told CNN about this. How many people would have direct knowledge of these briefings in the first place? Why didn’t any of these leaking briefers think to come forward with this before the election, given that everyone in Washington apparently knew about this?

3. As Lawfare blog puts it,

… it is significant that the document contains highly specific allegations, many of which are the kind of facts it should be possible to prove or disprove. This is a document about meetings that either took place or did not take place, stays in hotels that either happened or didn’t, travel that either happened or did not happen. It should be possible to know whether at least some of these allegations are true or false.

If Dr. Spook was passing these memos to every journalist and politician in Washington as early as October 31, at least a few of the key points should have been substantiated by now, wouldn’t you think?

4. John Schindler of 20Committee says that the “GOP was informed back in the spring that Trump was a 1-man FSB kompromat machine come to life. They did nothing. This is on them now.” Was this circulating as early as last spring, then? And no one has made any progress since then in substantiating or discrediting it?

5. Presumably everyone in Hillary’s camp also knew about it, too: It was an oppo research briefing, right? I wonder what kept her from bringing it up?

6. According to the Guardian,

… the documents reached the top of the FBI by December. Senator John McCain, who was informed about the existence of the documents separately by an intermediary from a western allied state, dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source and then decided to present the material to Comey in a one-on-one meeting on 9 December, according to a source aware of the meeting. The documents, which were first reported on last year by Mother Jones, are also in the hands of officials in the White House.

McCain is not thought to have made a judgment on the reliability of the documents but was sufficiently impressed by the source’s credentials to feel obliged to pass them to the FBI.

Who is this source? And who’s the Guardian’s source for this story, I wonder? The point of sending an emissary overseas to meet the source is to ensure that only he and the emissary knew of it. So I assume McCain authorized this leak. Why would McCain leak to the Guardian, though? Why not at least leak to a US publication?

7. The Guardian claims that as early as last summer, the FBI applied FISA warrant to monitor four members of the Trump team “suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials.” If so — what’s up with the FBI? 

8. If Trump’s the victim of a disinformation campaign, who’s behind it? Is this the intel community’s response to Trump’s claim that they have “no clue?” Hillary’s revenge?

9. It doesn’t help when yet again, Trump replies using exactly the same language the Kremlin does:

10. I don’t understand how our Deep State works. Don’t we have spies of our own in Russia? Why do we need Dr. Spook to tell us this? Why is this only being reported now?

My verdict: I’ve got no idea what’s going on, but this seems fishy.

That said: That people will believe it is Trump’s fault. His behavior toward Putin has been so sycophantic and bizarre that even an extraordinarily weird story like this sounds plausible. If Obama’s refusal to use the phrase “Islamic terrorism” convinced a significant number of Americans that he was a Muslim, the same phenomenon will be at work here — even if these memos prove to be a complete fabrication and fantasy.

It’s entirely plausible to imagine that Trump enjoyed the company of ladies of poor repute when he was in Russia. No one can say, with a straight face, “That’s ridiculous. Donald Trump is an upright and responsible married man and a faithful husband. He would never consort with Slavic hookers.” Exactly no one would be surprised if he had, and exactly no one would be surprised that the Russians taped the encounter.

Trump’s eagerness to adopt the Kremlin’s line in matters of foreign policy and his general mien of moral incontinence will be enough to convince a significant number of Americans that all of these allegations are true.

It won’t be enough for Trump to Tweet indignantly and wait for the media to bore with the story. It won’t. We’ll hear of nothing but this for years to come, I reckon.

What do you make of it?

UPDATE: The Trump Dossier: Dynamite or Disinformation? makes the skeptical case better than I did, and concludes:

In the absence of any evidence, this will do nothing but widen the dangerous divide within American society.

And here’s the irony: that’s exactly what the Kremlin wants. Whether damning proof of complicity with an antagonistic foreign power, or a piece of raw anti-Trump disinformation, at present this cache of documents is probably more effective than any number of hours of programming by Russia’s RT television station – which emerged as the star of the recent and deeply flawed open source on the hacking case – in turning America against itself.

 

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  1. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Tales of the New Cold War: Who are the real enemies of U.S. national security?

    Two conflicting interpretations are suggested, says Cohen. Either Trump is about to become a potentially seditious American president. Or powerful US forces are trying to destroy his presidency before it begins, perhaps even prevent him from taking office. Even if the allegations are eventually regarded as untrue, they may permanently slur and thus cripple Trump as a foreign policy president, especially in trying to diminish the exceedingly dangerous new Cold War with Russia, which would constitute a grave threat to US national security—particularly in an existential nuclear confrontation like the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. If anti-Trump American forces are behind untrue allegations of this magnitude, those forces are the primary enemies of US national security and should be investigated fully and publicly.

    …. If a student of Cohen’s claimed in a paper that Putin hacked our elections based on the evidence published in the “intelligence community’s” report, Cohen would give that paper an “F.”

    “We have a long history of the CIA giving presidents bad information that led to disastrous policies.”

    “These institutions have their own politics.”

    The report that alleged Trump’s compromise was opposition research initially paid for by anti-Trump Republicans, then the Clinton camp. The NYT was unable to substantiate any of the charges but published it anyway.

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
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    Herbert (View Comment):

    Again… Trump dealt in this stuff, birtherism, 9/11 truther, Cruz’s father/JFK assaasination, People on the right tolerated or defended it, if not the info itself, ….that it was just Trump being Trump and he can’t help what comes out of his mouth. To deny Trumps role in propagating crap as news is being willfully blind.

    I guess this stuff is delightful for NeverTrumps.

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  3. Matt White Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    A mistress is different from Russian hookers.

    Now you’re just trolling. This is irrational hatred. You see any attack on Trump as valid no matter how absurd and obviously false.

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  4. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Again… Trump dealt in this stuff, birtherism, 9/11 truther, Cruz’s father/JFK assaasination, People on the right tolerated or defended it, if not the info itself, ….that it was just Trump being Trump and he can’t help what comes out of his mouth. To deny Trumps role in propagating crap as news is being willfully blind.

    I guess this stuff is delightful for NeverTrumps.

    I suspect the reaction of those who were (or for some reason still are) NeverTrumps is mixed.

    I certainly know some whose reaction was disbelief or indifference rather than glee.

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  5. Kay of MT Inactive
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    Trump Slams Report on Alleged Russian Scheme as Fake News.

    How great to know that some of our contributors and pundits on Ricochet indulge in slander and gossip without a single verification. BYW, those that believe in the Ten Commandants, “You shall not bear false witness.” There are so many false stories floating around, please try not to perpetuate them.

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  6. Franco Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):…

    …So what’s he up to? Or is this just narcissism? I’m usually OK with narcissism as an explanation for his tweets but it’s a bit of a stretch when he’s escalating to a full press conference.

    Maybe it’s a way of consolidating the support of his base?

    It may be that the distinction between “normal” and “abnormal” (as opposed to merely between “good” and “bad”) is particularly important to those likely to support Trump, meaning they’ll be particularly outraged on his behalf about dubious allegations of sexual abnormality.

    The allegation is too on-the-nose (“golden”? really?) to not sound like fiction. But to those without a very strong preference on the normal-abnormal axis, it’s not particularly disgusting, just funny. A person who prized chastity, for example, but not sexual normality, would not really have any more reason to be disgusted by believing this rumor: everyone already knows Trump is a serial adulterer and somewhat casual about his sexual appetites – compared to that, a kink is no big deal.

    But if you do prize normality, Trump’s admitted sexual sins are at least “healthy”, “normal” ones, and you might be particularly eager to defend the future President against allegations of sexual abnormality.

    Weird analysis. We are way out on the skinny branches here.

     

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  7. Columbo Inactive
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    Ricochet Code of Conduct

    • Anything that makes the Ricochet Community look like a bunch of radical fruitcakes. This includes 99% of conspiracy theories.

    Welcome to the conspiracy Komrade.

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  8. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Glenn Reynolds has an interesting take:

    So the problem here is that you can call for an investigation, but who do you trust to investigate? The news media? The national security bureaucracy? Congress? All of them have gone out of their way to prove themselves untrustworthy. That’s not a good thing, but it’s reality. And can I say, if this is the Deep State’s effort at a Trump killshot, it’s laughably inept. Which given their performance over the past few years argues that that’s who’s behind it. . .

    And this has the effect of inoculating Trump against real scandals — and those are inevitable — down the line. So much so that I almost wonder if this wasn’t actually a Trump Organization “false flag” designed to discredit press attacks. The truth is out there!

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  9. Herbert Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Again… Trump dealt in this stuff, birtherism, 9/11 truther, Cruz’s father/JFK assaasination, People on the right tolerated or defended it, if not the info itself, ….that it was just Trump being Trump and he can’t help what comes out of his mouth. To deny Trumps role in propagating crap as news is being willfully blind.

    I guess this stuff is delightful for NeverTrumps.

    As a NeverTrumper speaking for myself,  It confirms my bias…   as for being delighted, no. I think anger and disappointment are more my feelings.   It’s gonna be a tough 4 years with this guy as POTUS.    If in a year or two, Trump has figured it out,   I will admit my mistake in judgement, and feel relieved.

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  10. Herbert Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    So much so that I almost wonder if this wasn’t actually a Trump Organization “false flag” designed to discredit press attacks. The truth is out there!

    I’ve heard that theory as well.

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  11. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):…

    …So what’s he up to? Or is this just narcissism? I’m usually OK with narcissism as an explanation for his tweets but it’s a bit of a stretch when he’s escalating to a full press conference.

    Maybe it’s a way of consolidating the support of his base?

    It may be that the distinction between “normal” and “abnormal” (as opposed to merely between “good” and “bad”) is particularly important to those likely to support Trump, meaning they’ll be particularly outraged on his behalf about dubious allegations of sexual abnormality.

    The allegation is too on-the-nose (“golden”? really?) to not sound like fiction. But to those without a very strong preference on the normal-abnormal axis, it’s not particularly disgusting, just funny. A person who prized chastity, for example, but not sexual normality, would not really have any more reason to be disgusted by believing this rumor: everyone already knows Trump is a serial adulterer and somewhat casual about his sexual appetites – compared to that, a kink is no big deal.

    But if you do prize normality, Trump’s admitted sexual sins are at least “healthy”, “normal” ones, and you might be particularly eager to defend the future President against allegations of sexual abnormality.

    Weird analysis. We are way out on the skinny branches here.

    It’s not too different from what you yourself said here:

    Franco (View Comment):
    I believe we are entering a new era in the fight between the Hollywood/media cabal and mainstream America… They only needed a leader. Someone who will push back and say something, whatever, but something. (Oh wait, did I violate the CoC by saying whatever? Pardon me) Anyone with a rational mind left can now see things in stark relief, and it looks to me that they are generally taking the side of DJT in these spats.

    Since Trump is in a position of universal loathing by these people, he has no incentive to be nice, or change, or anything. This is a huge advantage. They can’t shame him, they can’t say anything about him that hasn’t been said, or if they do, they show themselves as being unhinged. They lose every time they mock him.

    Keep it up! I love it!

    Mainstream Americans prize the “normal”. They revel in Trump fighting back against ridiculous-sounding allegations of being “abnormal”. Have I got this wrong?

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  12. Bob Thompson Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Again… Trump dealt in this stuff, birtherism, 9/11 truther, Cruz’s father/JFK assaasination, People on the right tolerated or defended it, if not the info itself, ….that it was just Trump being Trump and he can’t help what comes out of his mouth. To deny Trumps role in propagating crap as news is being willfully blind.

    I guess this stuff is delightful for NeverTrumps.

    I suspect the reaction of those who were (or for some reason still are) NeverTrumps is mixed.

    I certainly know some whose reaction was disbelief or indifference rather than glee.

    Well, here’s what I see. Some here will say how false this is and then, instead of making a case that all this should be left behind (I’m not saying that’s possible but that’s a reputable position), they join the chorus of all this to be expected and isn’t it delightful.

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  13. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Letting Trump retaliate with a press conference any time this sort of allegation comes up is the apotheosis of letting Trump be Trump.

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    Herbert (View Comment):
    As a NeverTrumper speaking for myself, It confirms my bias…

    Do you mean you actually believe it?

     

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  15. EJHill Podcaster
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    Midget Faded RattlesnakeMainstream Americans prize the “normal”.

    “Mainstream America” no longer has any idea what the word “normal” means.

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  16. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Mainstream Americans prize the “normal”.

    “Mainstream America” no longer has any idea what the word “normal” means.

    I disagree. Enough mainstream Americans saw Trump as basically “normal” enough to vote for. How many times have we heard that part of Trump’s appeal is that underneath all the glitz he really is a “regular guy”, unlike all those politicians who merely try (and often fail) to play regular guys on TV?

    Trump is “normal”. The media elites are freaks. Now someone in the media permitted publication of a “too good to be true” story of how Trump is a freak, too, and Trump is fighting back. On behalf of all of what’s “normal” and non-freakish. Against all those whom normal Americans see as trying to undermine the very idea of normality itself. It’s brilliant, really. I give Trump credit for it.

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  17. Franco Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Letting Trump retaliate with a press conference any time this sort of allegation comes up is the apotheosis of letting Trump be Trump.

    The presser was pre-scheduled.

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    But to those without a very strong preference on the normal-abnormal axis, it’s not particularly disgusting, just funny. A person who prized chastity, for example, but not sexual normality, would not really have any more reason to be disgusted by believing this rumor: everyone already knows Trump is a serial adulterer and somewhat casual about his sexual appetites – compared to that, a kink is no big deal.

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Mainstream Americans prize the “normal”. They revel in Trump fighting back against ridiculous-sounding allegations of being “abnormal”. Have I got this wrong?

    Yes.

    This whole conversation is ridiculous, along with the OP.

     

     

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  18. Herbert Member
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    Matt White (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):
    As a NeverTrumper speaking for myself, It confirms my bias…

    Do you mean you actually believe it?

    I believe the allegations could be true, we will have to let the process play out to make that determination though.   So I am withholding judgement til then.    It’s an explanation for Trumps actions in regards to Russia,  I had assumed that he was soft on Russia due to ignorance or an attempt to protect his business interests,  but blackmail would explain it as well.

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  19. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    I think the point is that this thingissohokey that it wouldn’t get traction outside the most feverish of the feverswamps if it were about most anyone else. But there isn’t much that’s entirely unbelievable about Trump. I haven’t read but snippets of it (and don’t intend to) but I suspect there’s probably something there that bears some resemblance to the truth, even if it’s only by accident.

    In short, he is asking for it because he is Trump. No one deserves to have this sort of thing said about them as a slur, and we already know for sure, one part is totally fake (as I linked to above).

    So, this is blaming the victim because of his manners. If he did not dress with that short dress on, it would not stick. False attacks on character like this, used to be fought by the entire right. Now, the right blames Trump for it.

    That’s sort of the point.  Most or all of these specific claims might be fantasies, but they are not really inconsistent with what we know about his character.  That’s why they’re not all so obviously implausible.  Substitute Mitt Romney for Donald Trump and not even BuzzFeed or MSNBC has the chutzpah to try to run with it.  Trump has “opened the door” to this sort of thing by acting like a flaming %*&)^& so much of the time.

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  20. Valiuth Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    So, this is blaming the victim because of his manners. If he did not dress with that short dress on, it would not stick. False attacks on character like this, used to be fought by the entire right. Now, the right blames Trump for it.

    Again… Trump dealt in this stuff, birtherism, 9/11 truther, Cruz’s father/JFK assaasination, People on the right tolerated or defended it, if not the info itself, that it was just Trump being Trump and he can’t help what comes out of his mouth. To deny Trumps role in propagating crap as news is being willfully blind.

    We are saying the same thing. Trump dresses trashy, therefore he has it coming. You are just describing how high his dress is.

    Well I would say your analogy is flawed in the sense that the trashy girl doesn’t her self molest other people. Trump is like a guy who picks bar fights and then complains when someone picks a fight with him. Or maybe it is like a trashy girl who calls other girls trashy. Trump is a kettle calling every other pot black.

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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    [snipped for space]

    I’m a former NeverTrumper, so let me state my position rather than allow the Trump fans to state it for me, as they are annoyingly prone to do.

    • I don’t believe a word of this.
    • My primary response to this is that golden showers are funny (as long as I don’t have to watch them in person) and therefore this whole thing amuses me greatly.
    • Herbert is right that Trump has spent a good part of the last few years trafficking in conspiracy theories, of which the slander of Rafael Cruz is only the most recent. For him and his defenders to get indignant now that it’s happening to him is hypocrisy, and their angry reactions to those who point this put say a lot.
    • That said, while this can be construed as karma biting him in the backside, that doesn’t make the allegations any more credible. Rafael Cruz didn’t kill JFK, and Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.
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  22. Herbert Member
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Well I stated it wrong above too,   I believe the allegation is that the hookers peed on each other while the  Donald watched (he is a germaphobe afterall…)

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  23. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    False attacks on character like this, used to be fought by the entire right. Now, the right blames Trump for it.

    That’s sort of the point. Most or all of these specific claims might be fantasies, but they are not really inconsistent with what we know about his character. That’s why they’re not all so obviously implausible. Substitute Mitt Romney for Donald Trump and not even BuzzFeed or MSNBC has the chutzpah to try to run with it. Trump has “opened the door” to this sort of thing by acting like a flaming %*&)^& so much of the time.

    Cato, Bryan, it seems to me likely that the right may be divided on whether this claim is inconsistent with Trump’s character.

    Many people who are inclined to support Trump do see Trump as basically a normal guy, and likely see kinks as incompatible with normal-guy-dom. Therefore this attack may not strike them as consistent with what they know about Trump’s character: his lack of sexual restraint is at least normal lack of restraint, not that disgusting kinky stuff.

    Those less inclined to support Trump are less inclined to believe Trump really is just a normal guy, and may also come from a social milieu where kinky illicit sex isn’t any more shameful than “normal” illicit sex. For those reasons, they would see these allegations as consistent with Trump’s character.

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  24. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Herbert (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Well I stated it wrong above too, I believe the allegation is that the hookers peed on each other while the Donald watched (he is a germaphobe afterall…)

    Meh. Let’s not bicker and argue about who peed on who.

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  25. Miffed White Male Member
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Well I stated it wrong above too, I believe the allegation is that the hookers peed on each other while the Donald watched (he is a germaphobe afterall…)

    Meh. Let’s not bicker and argue about who peed on who.

    Dude.  Correct phraseology would be “Don’t get into a pissing match over it”.

     

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  26. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Well I stated it wrong above too, I believe the allegation is that the hookers peed on each other while the Donald watched (he is a germaphobe afterall…)

    Meh. Let’s not bicker and argue about who peed on who.

    Dude. Correct phraseology would be “Don’t get into a pissing match over it”.

    It was a Monty Python reference.

    Looks like your aim is off. ;)

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  27. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    Franco (View Comment):
    This whole conversation is ridiculous, along with the OP.

    I’ve had my differences with @claire in the past (as I’m sure she’ll happily tell you) but this is all anyone was talking about last night and this morning and I for one am happy to have a relevant, timely and active thread on the front page.

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  28. Joe P Member
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Just to be pedantic, Donald Trump is accused of paying Russian hookers to pee on a bed in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow because Barack Obama slept in it and Trump hates Obama that much.

    I understand the confusion, considering that the privilege to pee on a hooker is something that can be more easily imagined to be paid for than this bizarre claim in the “report.”

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  29. Miffed White Male Member
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Well I stated it wrong above too, I believe the allegation is that the hookers peed on each other while the Donald watched (he is a germaphobe afterall…)

    Meh. Let’s not bicker and argue about who peed on who.

    Dude. Correct phraseology would be “Don’t get into a pissing match over it”.

    It was a Monty Python reference.

    Looks like your aim is off. ?

    I don’t recognize the Python reference.  It’s pretty close to a Friends reference though.

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  30. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Just to be pedantic, Donald Trump is accused of paying Russian hookers to pee on a bed in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow because Barack Obama slept in it and Trump hates Obama that much.

    I understand the confusion, considering that the privilege to pee on a hooker is something that can be more easily imagined to be paid for than this bizarre claim in the “report.”

    One gets the sense the report wasn’t properly peer reviewed…

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