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  1. Profile photo of Songwriter Member

    Well said, EJ.

    • #1
    • January 9, 2017 at 10:08 am
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    EJ, You’re underrated. A Golden Globe to you. Thanks.

    • #2
    • January 9, 2017 at 10:10 am
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    Meryl Streep is overrated. She’s done nothing but Oscar-bait for years.

    • #3
    • January 9, 2017 at 10:13 am
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    Glad he lashed out at Streep. She’s a Hillary stooge and should be vilified. The media had their spin ready but fortunately most people don’t believe them anymore.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 10:14 am
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    It would be easier to defend Donald if he didn’t vent his spleen and all 80 of his IQ points every time someone says something he doesn’t like.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 10:43 am
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    DocJay (View Comment):
    Glad he lashed out at Streep. She’s a Hillary stooge and should be vilified. The media had their spin ready but fortunately most people don’t believe them anymore.

    but … I’m beloved … and am incredible singer too, don’t you know.

    • #6
    • January 9, 2017 at 10:49 am
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    EJHill Post author

    PercivalIt would be easier to defend Donald if he didn’t vent his spleen and all 80 of his IQ points every time someone says something he doesn’t like.

    Would you like to take your IQ points and accomplishments and place it against his?

    • #7
    • January 9, 2017 at 10:57 am
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    Perfect EJ.

    I am reminded of a beautiful Scott Adams tweet from a month or so ago: (paraphrase)

    Don’t you love how everyone who has been wrong all along about Trump keep telling him to stop tweeting.

    • #8
    • January 9, 2017 at 11:01 am
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    Well said. I’m beginning to think this is exactly the right strategy. There are people who think Streep is overrated- she has to be given the unending praise heaped upon her. It’s like violinists or anything else; the top person is only slightly better than second in line but they get the lions share of the work due to name recognition.

    Quick name a famous cellist. Right. Yo Yo Ma. Now, name another one. If you are like 90% of the population, you can’t. But how much ‘worse’ is the #2 cellist, or number 12 for that matter. Could 99% of the people tell in a blind study? And this is accepting the idea that artists can be ranked and taste, style and other elements are discarded.

    So Streep is great, and so are dozens of other notso famous actresses. BTW most of them know that and feel somewhat guilty, hence all the posturing.

    So Trump his back where it hurts, or will at least have some effect. Why debate policy with an actress? And to OP is right on. They almost exclusively attack the man and avoid policy.

    This may also suss out this falsehood that Trump made fun of a handicapped journalist. It’s been debunked but has gotten no exposure.

    • #9
    • January 9, 2017 at 11:10 am
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    EJHill: But exactly who has Trump’s back

    No one. Trump is President and must absorb the slings and arrows of critique. He must put country first, second and last. His feelings don’t count.

    And if he can’t do this, he won’t be able to do the job.

    • #10
    • January 9, 2017 at 11:27 am
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    EJHill: If Trump attacks the man (or woman) in a true policy fight, then by all means criticize. But if a leftist attacks the new president personally either be prepared to take up arms yourself or have the decency to get out of the way and let Trump be Trump.

    While I agree with @billnelson that Trump would probably do everyone a favor by letting these roll off him, I agree that it’s reasonable to answer a personal attack with the same.

    UPDATE: Regardless, don’t do it on Ricochet. CoC and all that.

    • #11
    • January 9, 2017 at 11:53 am
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    EJHill Post author

    Bill NelsonHis feelings don’t count.And if he can’t do this, he won’t be able to do the job.

    Again, a noble thought. But put up against the fact that his predecessor may have the thinnest skin of anyone ever granted the privilege of occupying the Oval Office it’s an argument that doesn’t seem to carry much water.

    Let’s face it, the Democrats play the game better. Feminists were willing to swallow their pride (and much more) in defense of Bill Clinton, a vile serial abuser of women. His actions were far worse than anything Trump is alleged to have only said.

    But their eyes are always on the prize. Power. The absolute, unapologetic wielding of the levers of power to achieve their goals.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 11:54 am
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    EJ,

    Charley Cooke is wrong not Trump. Meryl Streep’s speech proves that she is overrated. The speech is politically banal, petulant, adolescent, self-absorbed, and mean spirited.

    Rather than an authentic grand dame of the Theater & Cinema, she comes off just as Trump says she is, a hack Hillary democrat who is much overrated. She’s learned nothing but still wallows in self-indulgent fantasy. Obviously, her mind is anything but capable of critical analysis. So the conclusion must be that she is just a convenient marionette for manipulative Hollywood screenwriters and directors to obtain the results they want rather than a brilliant actress.

    This speech would have been over the top during the election. Yet, one could have just written it off as Meryl Streep’s need to be left wing. Coming after the defeat, this is just plain bad taste and a lack of concern for the future of the country.

    Overrated? You bet.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:02 pm
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    Franco (View Comment):

    This may also suss out this falsehood that Trump made fun of a handicapped journalist. It’s been debunked but has gotten no exposure.

    Yes and no. Trump absolutely did mock Kovaleski, but, importantly:

    1. Not in a way that matches his actual disability (Kovaleski is not spastic and speaks normally) and
    2. There are documented incidents of Trump mocking other, non-spastic people (e.g., Ted Cruz) with the same spastic handwave.

    Probably an imperfect analogy, but it would as if Trump often imitated people (including gentiles) as if they had a Yiddish accent and then did it of Jonah Goldberg. It wouldn’t be unreasonable for people to assume he was mocking Goldberg as a Jew, even that wasn’t actually what Trump was thinking.

    Still, rather gross.

    ANOTHER UPDATE: Given all that, Streep deserves a lot of flak for not only misusing her platform to make a political statement, but getting that statement largely wrong.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:04 pm
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    But their eyes are always on the prize. Power. The absolute, unapologetic wielding of the levers of power to achieve their goals.

    Their goal being, the absolute, unapologetic wielding of the levers of power.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:07 pm
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    Franco (View Comment):
    It’s like violinists or anything else; the top person is only slightly better than second in line but they get the lions share of the work due to name recognition.

    Quick name a famous cellist. Right. Yo Yo Ma. Now, name another one. If you are like 90% of the population, you can’t. But how much ‘worse’ is the #2 cellist, or number 12 for that matter. Could 99% of the people tell in a blind study? And this is accepting the idea that artists can be ranked and taste, style and other elements are discarded.

    So Streep is great, and so are dozens of other notso famous actresses. BTW most of them know that and feel somewhat guilty, hence all the posturing.

    Good point.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:08 pm
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    EJHill Post author

    Re: Streep as overrated.

    I come from the George Burns School of acting. After his Oscar-turn in The Sunshine Boys he explained “good acting” thusly:

    To be a good actor all you have to do is listen. In that first scene when Dick Benjamin opened the door and said to me, “Hello, Mr. Lewis, come on in,” I went in. Now, that’s good acting. If I had stayed out in the hall, that’s bad acting. (Living It Up or They Still Love Me in Altoona! 1976)

    • #17
    • January 9, 2017 at 12:22 pm
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    “W” never defended himself against insults and lies, and eventually those lies were simply accepted as fact by many.

    Trump, on the other hand, goes off on any and every little thing that is spoken against him. Be nice to have something in the middle, but that’s not Trump. As it says in the OP “Trump is who he is”, and that won’t change.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:45 pm
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    I believe you have it EJ.

    Politics has always been about personality and character damage. From the campaign against “Stinkin Lincoln” forward through the William Hearst days of yellow journalism, this ‘golden era of civility’ has never existed except in the minds of country club Republicans, who have the servants knife you in the back later.

    FDR knew that, LBJ knew that. Nixon knew that. Reagan knew that. They always played the man.

    If you call the man an Orange Baboon, a illiterate moron, an ADD clown, a buffoon over an over, you will get push back from a New Yorker. Those were just the things the ‘Right” said. The Dems were a bit less vicious but they have a bigger megaphone, so he pushes back again.

    It is an interesting strategy , as the attackers are continuously adding numbers and strength to his support without him having to pander a bit. It is cost free base maintenance.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:47 pm
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    Meryl Streep is overrated. She’s done nothing but Oscar-bait for years.

    My parents have had a running joke about Meryl for years – if she had to play someone missing an arm, then she’d hack off the arm to do it.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:52 pm
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    EJHill Post author

    Aren’t all actors overrated? Think about this for a second. We’re talking about the ability to play pretend. That’s a skill most children have down pat by the time they’re four years old. Some have the ability to retain their childish skills and other people grow up.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 12:56 pm
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    Tom Meyer, Ed. (View Comment):

    EJHill: If Trump attacks the man (or woman) in a true policy fight, then by all means criticize. But if a leftist attacks the new president personally either be prepared to take up arms yourself or have the decency to get out of the way and let Trump be Trump.

    While I agree with @billnelson that Trump would probably do everyone a favor by letting these roll off him, I agree that it’s reasonable to answer a personal attack with the same.

    UPDATE: Regardless, don’t do it on Ricochet. CoC and all that.

    If we insult the CoC and call it “overrated” is that a CoC violation? Asking for a friend. Okay, 2 friends. Well, three. That’s all the friends I have.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:06 pm
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    Best comment I’ve seen on this issue:

    Trump shoud’ve tweeted back “We tried to appreciate art… and then you heckled Mike Pence.”
    • #23
    • January 9, 2017 at 1:16 pm
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    Tom Meyer, Ed. (View Comment):

    EJHill: If Trump attacks the man (or woman) in a true policy fight, then by all means criticize. But if a leftist attacks the new president personally either be prepared to take up arms yourself or have the decency to get out of the way and let Trump be Trump.

    While I agree with @billnelson that Trump would probably do everyone a favor by letting these roll off him, I agree that it’s reasonable to answer a personal attack with the same.

    UPDATE: Regardless, don’t do it on Ricochet. CoC and all that.

    If we insult the CoC and call it “overrated” is that a CoC violation? Asking for a friend. Okay, 2 friends. Well, three. That’s all the friends I have.

    I always thought Scotty was more of an acquaintance attempting to become a friend, so really you only have 2.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:16 pm
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    EJHill:They’ll tell you that they will defend Trump when he’s right. Which also sounds noble. But it’s also an admission that you are unwilling to combat an enemy that believes in total, scorched-earth warfare.

    I’m gonna disagree with this. You can still combat somebody while holding yourself to a higher standard and not stooping to their level. It’s not the easy route, and many may consider it foolish or ineffective. But I think we all agree that there are certain lines we’re not okay with GOP leaders crossing even if it’s politically savvy. Where that line is will vary from person to person.

    I’ve come to accept the fact that Trump is going to be tweeting and retaliating against any perceived sleight, but I still don’t like it (I agree with @vancerichards ; it’d be nice if we could find a middle ground between W. and Trump). For what it’s worth, on National Review one of the top articles is a criticism of Streep’s speech, so I do think there’s a lot of conservatives out there who, while not necessarily big fans of Trump, will gladly criticize the alarmism and pompousness of the Left.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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    EJHill (View Comment):
    But put up against the fact that his predecessor may have the thinnest skin of anyone ever granted the privilege of occupying the Oval Office

    Is this the bar you have set for Trump? Very low don’t you think.

    I personally see George W Bush as a good example. He was trashed everywhere, and took it without public complaint (or whining).

    Trump must see every critique and ask himself: can I do better. And if he cannot, then he has failed.

    Just as Obama failed, it became about him, it was always about him. With the selfies and the (always counted) references to himself in every situation. He was thin skinned and mean. Is Trump?

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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    Knotwise the Poet (View Comment):
    there’s a lot of conservatives out there who, while not necessarily big fans of Trump, will gladly criticize the alarmism and pompousness of the Left.

    As a former #NeverEverTrumper, conservatives are the most staunch critics of the left. Trump is somewhat left himself. Trump’s attacks on conservatives are usually more bitter than attacks in the left (re: Ted Cruz).

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:21 pm
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    And with regards to Streep- I will actually agree with Trump on this: I think she’s overrated. Not that she’s always bad, but from the bits I have watched of her I do find myself agreeing with Katherine Hepburn’s assessment of her that her acting is too calculated.

    I couldn’t find the exact Hepburn quote, but I did find a blog post that also captured my sentiment nicely:

    I acknowledge her skill as a performer; but I am not bowled over by her measured, calculated acting style. She seldom becomes the character. She is always Meryl Streep acting, even if she is Meryl Streep acting well. If one looks close enough at her performance, one can see her playing the part – her acting shows, just as accidentally a woman’s slip might show below the hem of her skirt. We’re not surprised it’s there. We’re impressed that she’s so thorough in her attire. But we also know we shouldn’t see it.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:22 pm
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    EJHill (View Comment):
    Aren’t all actors overrated? Think about this for a second. We’re talking about the ability to play pretend. That’s a skill most children have down pat by the time they’re four years old. Some have the ability to retain their childish skills and other people grow up.

    Overrated? Perhaps, but as Streep pointed out they save us from having to watch football. So, don’t feel obligated to watch the Super Bowl this year. Perhaps Streep’s point will be proven and we will see 110 million viewers downloading “Florence Foster Jenkins” this February 5th.

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    • January 9, 2017 at 1:22 pm
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    skipsul (View Comment):

    Pointy Eared Game Show Host Seeks New Position Consonant With Experience (View Comment):

    Tom Meyer, Ed. (View Comment):

    EJHill: If Trump attacks the man (or woman) in a true policy fight, then by all means criticize. But if a leftist attacks the new president personally either be prepared to take up arms yourself or have the decency to get out of the way and let Trump be Trump.

    While I agree with @billnelson that Trump would probably do everyone a favor by letting these roll off him, I agree that it’s reasonable to answer a personal attack with the same.

    UPDATE: Regardless, don’t do it on Ricochet. CoC and all that.

    If we insult the CoC and call it “overrated” is that a CoC violation? Asking for a friend. Okay, 2 friends. Well, three. That’s all the friends I have.

    I always thought Scotty was more of an acquaintance attempting to become a friend, so really you only have 2.

    Perhaps if I rewind the cartoon series one more will emerge. #VulcanProblems

    • #30
    • January 9, 2017 at 1:26 pm
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