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  1. zandertunz Member
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    That’s a profound visual. Feels like it informs the wisdom of the electoral college system.

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  2. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    This is a great map!  Of note, I live in one of the few rural counties what voted for Hillary.

     

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  3. TKC1101 Member
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    @TKC1101

    At least 40% of the population of the gulag archipelago is being held hostage to tyranny. We need to recognize alternate state governments to allow those people to have hope of rescue. Also, Voice of America needs to be directed to these corrupt despots and give hope to the oppressed Americans held against their will.

    Allowing counties to declare themselves  “Free American” and pledge to the State Governments in exile would give needed support.

    Just kidding folks. It could never happen here….

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  4. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    There was a statistic that is a couple of weeks old from MTP Daily (“Meet the Press Daily”) from Chuck Todd.  (Those statistics are now inaccurate in that votes have been tallied since then.)  Taking all of the counties that touch or are west of I-5, Clinton won by some 3 million votes.  Taking all of the counties that touch or are east of I-95, Clinton won by some 3-4 million votes.  Taking all of the other counties that are between I-5 and I-95, Trump won by some 5 million votes.

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  5. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Putin – you missed a few spots – see map #1.

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  6. Rodin Member
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    I love this graphic. It really should be relabeled The Progressive Plutopia.

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  7. Fred Cole Member
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    Funny, that archipelago looks a lot like this one:

    us-population-density

    That’s a population density map.

    Looks like Clinton won the places that are full people and Trump won places with fewer people.

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  8. MichaelHenry Member
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    @MichaelHenry

    Even more dramatic than the red/blue county map.

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  9. billy Member
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    Fred Cole:Funny, that archipelago looks a lot like this one:

    us-population-density

    That’s a population density map.

    Looks like Clinton won the places that are full people and Trump won places with fewer people.

    I think this map shows two things:

    The Republicans don’t have a message to appeal to urban voters, and the Democrats’ urban political machines are so reliable that they think they don’t need a message to anyone.

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  10. Z in MT Member
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    @ZinMT

    As Fred suggests, and as we have known for the last couple elections, the red/blue divide is one of rural vs. urban with suburban being the battlefield rather than a regional one.

    @fredcole,

    What is your suggestion on how to fundamentally change this political geography?

    I doubt going libertarian for the GOP is a route to win more votes in the urban areas. I have little insight into the urban mind as the closest I got to it was living in Boulder, CO as a grad student – and I left there as soon as I could.

     

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  11. Seawriter Contributor
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    Z in MT: What is your suggestion on how to fundamentally change this political geography?

    1. Allow California to secede based on a county-by-county vote, allowing counties with greater than a 50% vote in favor of remaining in the US retained and the counties with greater than 50% in favor of secession leaving.
    2. Just wait. Thanks to Obama-sponsored nuclear proliferation at some point in the near future a nutjob nation (Iran, North Korea) or terrorist group (ISIS, Al Qaeda) will hit the US with nuclear weapons. They will only have a few, but will set them off in the biggest cities they can – Los Angeles, New York, Washington D.C., etcetera. Since they are all Blue enclaves national demographics will end up tilting significantly red afterwards.

    Seawriter

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  12. Jim George Member
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    A close examination of what is referred to as “Mississippi Lake” on the Trump map and “Mississippi Island” on the Clinton map will reveal it extends from about the Fountain in the middle of the Lobby of the Peabody Hotel in Memphis, the traditional Northernmost  point of the Mississippi Delta, to right about our hometown of Baton Rouge, a little South of the Southernmost point of the Delta, which is a most telling point for us here in our area.

    This fascinating visual also brought up another point, rather forcefully– where do I go to contribute money to the “Calexit” movement? Also, can we help them pack? Merry Christmas one and all! Hope is back in style! God Bless America!

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  13. Jim George Member
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    @seawriter, it would appear you and I were having “Calexit” thoughts at almost the same moment! How does that old saw go… “great minds run in the same channel…”, etc.!

    Your second point is well taken, albeit quite chilling, to say the least.

     

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  14. Quake Voter Member
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    One obvious one-two would be to continue to use our statehouse advantage to gerrymander Corbynized Dems into Congressional safeplaces while expanding the number of R+5 districts and then throwing some intellectual resources into a reconsideration of Baker v. Carr, though that ship has probably been sunk.

    Reagan-like decisionmaking from POTUS and a GOP Congress wouldn’t hurt either.  That decisionmaking might be more likely if some our smarter brethren on the intellectual right would get over their butt hurt, stop indulging in their NeverAlwaysTrump strawman preening and prepare to make some helpful critiques.

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  15. Chuckles Thatcher
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    Just demonstrates why dimocrats have been seeking for years to minimize or eliminate the Electoral College system.

    They do not want just to control metropolitan areas, they want to control everybody – in fact, they have to.

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  16. The Reticulator Member
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    For the benefit of those who want to see the full-sized images, here are two links:

    Clinton Archipelago

    Trumpland

     

     

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  17. The Reticulator Member
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    Fred Cole:Funny, that archipelago looks a lot like this one:

    us-population-density

    That’s a population density map.

    Looks like Clinton won the places that are full people and Trump won places with fewer people.

    Clinton won the places that are full of people, and Trump won the places that are full of land.  That’s why it’s called TrumpLand and not Trump People.

    Obviously, what Republicans need to do is make it illegal for people to live close to each other.

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  18. TKC1101 Member
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    billy:I think this map shows two things:

    The Republicans don’t have a message to appeal to urban voters, and the Democrats’ urban political machines are so reliable that they think they don’t need a message to anyone.

    Ask Fred to overlay the 12-20 million illegals on a map and watch for the amazing coincidences.

    I find it really fascinating that the popular vote was mostly California with the weakest voter registration  rules in the known universe.

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  19. Dick from Brooklyn Thatcher
    Dick from Brooklyn
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    Echelon Insights – a research and analytics company run by one of the brighter conservative data geeks, Pat Ruffini – mapped the vote by major media market. They allow you to download the raw data and I grouped the top twenty markets and the 2nd twenty markets. See below. It won’t surprise you that Clinton won big in the top 20 markets and Trump won the 2nd 20 markets, but by a smaller margin.

    Top 20 Markets

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    Markets 21 – 40

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  20. Fred Cole Member
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    Z in MT:What is your suggestion on how to fundamentally change this political geography?

    I doubt going libertarian for the GOP is a route to win more votes in the urban areas.

    I don’t give a damn what the GOP does.  The party’s sold its soul to Trump.  As far as I’m concerned, I hope it burns to the ground and something less contemptible takes it place.

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    Fred Cole:

    Z in MT:What is your suggestion on how to fundamentally change this political geography?

    I doubt going libertarian for the GOP is a route to win more votes in the urban areas.

    I don’t give a damn what the GOP does. The party’s sold its soul to Trump. As far as I’m concerned, I hope it burns to the ground and something less contemptible takes it place.

    The party sold its soul to the Establishment. That’s why it burned to the ground and Trump took its place. Whether it will remain less contemptible than the GOPe remains to be seen.

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  22. Canesplitter Member
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    So it I’m reading the colors right, the greener areas indicate a closer to 50/50 split with the orange to red areas being stronger/higher percentages for the winning candidate.

    The Clinton archipelago looks like strings of neutral, green islands, so you thing…”green”.

    Looks at Trumpland, you think whoa, “orange”.

    I’m not smart enough to know if it means anything, but apart from SoCal, there’s very little orange in clinton islands.

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  23. TKC1101 Member
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    @TKC1101

    Fred Cole: The party’s sold its soul to Trump. As far as I’m concerned, I hope it burns to the ground and something less contemptible takes it place.

    I have been held in contempt by better and burned to the ground by more capable. Still here, wondering whether being less contemptible is really worth it.

    Probably not.

     

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  24. The Reticulator Member
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    If I address mail to my friends across the water in Cumberland Island, how will I know if it got to the right island?

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  25. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    TKC1101:

    Fred Cole: The party’s sold its soul to Trump. As far as I’m concerned, I hope it burns to the ground and something less contemptible takes it place.

    I have been held in contempt by better and burned to the ground by more capable. Still here, wondering whether being less contemptible is really worth it.

    Probably not.

    Why does it have to be either contemptible or deplorable? Why can’t we have both?

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    To win going forward, we should all practice telling people who are less well off than us that income inequality is good for them.  Maybe we can start a separate topic where we announce our successes in getting new voters that way.  The first one can do the OP for it.

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  27. Trinity Waters Member
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    Fred Cole:Funny, that archipelago looks a lot like this one:

    us-population-density

    That’s a population density map.

    Looks like Clinton won the places that are full people and Trump won places with fewer people.

    I suppose all that’s important is that Clinton won a lotta places.  And that the Electoral College is screwing her out of her birthright.

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  28. TKC1101 Member
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    The Reticulator: Why does it have to be either contemptible or deplorable? Why can’t we have both?

    In America all things are possible. We can be both. Dream big.

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  29. Valiuth Inactive
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    @Valiuth

    I find these kind of maps sort of pointless. When the Republicans lose the map looks pretty much the same. So what is it that we are learning? Also why is the Democratic concentration viewed as such a terrible thing? They are concentrated in the region’s that make up most of the population and wealth of the country. They are concentrated in the cultural hubs of our civilization. They are far better positioned then to move society without control of the Government.

    What does it say that Trump can’t win and doesn’t even have a shot to win the his home State? In people’s exuberance over Trump’s win I think they are failing to appreciate how tenuous it is. It can all flip just as fast, and when it does will having won more counties still mean anything?

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  30. MJBubba Member
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    The Reticulator:

    Fred Cole:

    Z in MT:What is your suggestion on how to fundamentally change this political geography?

    I doubt going libertarian for the GOP is a route to win more votes in the urban areas.

    I don’t give a damn what the GOP does. The party’s sold its soul to Trump. As far as I’m concerned, I hope it burns to the ground and something less contemptible takes it place.

    The party sold its soul to the Establishment. That’s why it burned to the ground and Trump took its place. Whether it will remain less contemptible than the GOPe remains to be seen.

    I agree with Reticulator on this call.  The GOP fought Trump tooth and nail, and lost big.

    I was very concerned that Trump would govern as “centrist,” but with every new announced nomination for Team Trump senior management, I am seeing a pretty conservative slate emerge for the incoming Trump Administration.  It is very encouraging.

    Fred, do you not feel the slightest sense of relief that we do not have a ‘President-elect Hillary’ ?

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