Want to Tell Hollywood “You’re Fired!”? Here’s How

 

When I was growing up there was a fairly new phenomenon called “underground movies”. Though it sometimes had the unspoken shady undertone of nudity and/or sex, all the term really meant was an amateur movie made with ambition, usually experimental. Some of those underground filmmakers got their informal training on the go, got their names in print, and ended up as successful career filmmakers. They often worked in 16mm film, which started in the 1920s as home movie film and was upgraded to semi-professional by the armed forces in World War II, since they needed entertainment that was small and light to ship.

After the war, home movies drifted over to 8mm, which was one fourth the cost. 16mm became the mainstay of documentaries, TV news, industrial and classroom use, and underground filmmaking. On a small screen it could look nearly as good as a 35mm movie you’d see in a theater, and it was far cheaper. Most filmmakers who came up in the ranks from roughly 1950 through 2000 learned their craft with 16mm.

The cultural changes in film that could broadly be called “Left” worked hand in hand with this cultural change. Black radical James Baldwin said in 1952 that the typewriters used to write novels would soon be replaced by 16mm cameras; the radical documentaries were all on “sixteen”. Achieving cultural overthrow in Hollywood takes making movies; finding a cheaper way beats the barriers to entry.

It’s no different now than it was then.

I have a mid-Eighties book called “Electronic Cinematography”, a premature look at analog high definition video imaging that would supposedly be used to replace 35mm film. At the time, there were all sorts of techniques to only partially compensate for the central, unavoidable fact that film imaging was just flat-out better than video; it was more detailed by far, color rendition was vastly superior, and only film was capable of dealing with very low light situations. There was one worldwide universal theatrical film standard, 35mm at 24 frames per second, but a bewildering, ever changing maze of technical standards for video. Video equipment was bulky and heavy.

A Rip Van Winkle from thirty years ago, or even half that, would be stunned to see how much has changed. Digital—which is just video in fancier, more exact form—deals with night exposures even better than film does. Detail and color rendition have basically caught up, although digital theater projection, only good-to-adequate today, is still a laggard. Digital cameras for professional filmmaking are markedly smaller than equivalent 35mm film cameras, and adjusted for inflation they are much less expensive, even in their most hoity-toity studio incarnations.

At the local cineplex, the digital revolution took its own sweet time. There were still almost no movie theater screens with digital projectors even by the turn of the century. For about a dozen years after that, the release of every ordinary movie needed to cover both possibilities, digital media, and big heavy steel cans of 35mm film. Unlike the similarly expensive talkie revolution, this time the public was mostly unaware that almost every single piece of equipment that made or showed movies was being replaced. We barely noticed the difference, which is what the industry hoped, and few of us have actually seen a “film” after 2012 or so.

“Film” and TV are both now electronic images, digitally encoded the same way, but they even have very similar technical specs: about 2000 pixels wide and 1080 tall. There’s a lot of convergence. The theaters raise that to “4K”—4000 wide, 2160 tall—but so is television, although it’s coming along sluggishly in this economy, and there are very few sources of 4K programs. Experts consider the absolute limit of the human eye’s ability to see detail to fall somewhere well before 8K, so there isn’t a whole lot of future improvement to expect in resolution.

We’re getting close to those ultimate limits already. A well shot 4K image should look good for a very long time. Standardization continues to make digital more and more consistent and compatible. The colorimetry charts look much the same as when I first encountered one, more than forty years ago, only now the “tilted triangle” of imaging color and light response is no longer a small subset of human vision, but actually one as large, or larger, than the outer limits of human capability. After several interim standards to get digital cinema going, SMPTE (the motion picture and TV engineers) and AMPAS (the motion picture academy) have made fascinating efforts to “future-proof” their latest technical specifications, to the degree that anything is truly broad and visionary enough to last centuries. Those are the lofty specs; nobody claims that today’s processes and equipment fully live up to them yet.

What does that mean to cultural critics?

It means high quality filmmaking is possible at much lower cost.

I don’t happen to have a feature script and a volunteer cast and crew sitting around, but you might. If not you personally, then someone who you barely know, or don’t know, who is ambitious and nervy enough to start making stories, risking rejection, and getting better at it. If that isn’t someone in your own neighborhood, school, or church, it might be someone on the internet who has shared your views. If you want cultural change, then you want people like that to emerge. Will Hollywood help them? The question answers itself, doesn’t it? So someone has to help them, or there’s no change.

Let’s talk reality. I’m always intrigued by the challenge of seeing how much you can get, how high in quality you can go for a low price.

There’s a whole subculture of underground filmmaking done with ordinary D-SLRs (digital single lens reflex; high class still cameras, like Nikons) and a whole field of accessories that fit these cameras and adapt them for filmmaking, like shoulder mounts with external focus knobs and a featherweight monitor so a second person can pull focus. These cameras usually have good lenses, though not up to studio feature standards, and a big image sensor. Lena Dunham shot her first feature on such a D-SLR rig; the tech standards are higher now, but the barriers have long been breached and prices have dropped.

The main competitors for D-SLRs are a new class of relatively low cost digital cine cameras, like the rock bottom 4K GoPro and Blackmagic Pocket Camera, both well under $1000. They are better than most DSLR cameras at “film workflow compatibility”—that is, they record video data in formats that are easy and familiar for users of common computer video editing programs; nothing has to be improvised or compromised. Like using Microsoft Word; no sweat.

I found it interesting, and a little funny, that the manufacturers have dubbed these as “Super 16 cameras” in an attempt to spell out their suggested market. Funny, because there’s nothing actually related to “16mm”; they shoot the same tech format as the studio cameras. But Super 16 is a shorthand way of saying it’s good enough for professional documentaries, sports, news, and concerts, any of which could at least be used in a feature, just as a few 16mm films like “Woodstock” did, but it’s not being pitched as 100% feature film quality.

(It’s like digital radio calling itself “HD Radio”, even though radio, as a picture-less sound medium, doesn’t have “high definition” at all. But for modern audiences, “HD” is a much more familiar term than “high fidelity sound”.)

As in the old film days, “16mm quality” is the minimum you need to even hope to be in theaters someday, yet quite adequate to TV and the web, which may well be your real market. Let’s jump up a level—a big level—to more professional equipment and a higher level of polish. Very roughly speaking, costs work out to half to one quarter of what the equivalent 35mm equipment prices were in the Eighties and Nineties.

You can get a RED One, a Blackmagic, or a couple of other feature film-worthy 4K cameras for less than $10,000 used. But cine pros know that the camera body is “only” the lightproof box that holds the sensor and the lens. To cinematographers, it’s still all about “the glass”—the lenses from Bausch and Lomb, or Cooke, or Angenieux, or Schneider-Kreuzbach, or Canon—and in 2016 a typical set of six prime lenses costs about $50,000. That hasn’t changed since film days. Batteries, lights, brackets and other accessories haven’t changed much in price either, so the savings on the main camera body aren’t everything.

A savvy-seeming cinematographer clarified the overall dimensions of price by saying you could buy a complete feature package, probably good for anyone working below the Christopher Nolan-Peter Jackson-James Cameron level, for $128,000, half of what it would have cost in 1990 even in unadjusted dollars. An acceptable compromise package could do most films for $25,000-45,000. A so-called run-and-gun digital camera package for independent but totally professional features could come in between $8,000 and $15,000; about a fourth of what it would have cost in 16mm, inflation adjusted, twenty years ago. You wouldn’t want to try to do “Barry Lyndon” or “American Sniper” with it, but you could shoot “Juno” or “Taking Woodstock” with ease.

The equipment itself is much cheaper than pro film gear, but the real savings for an independent filmmaker are in the lack of film stock, processing and workprint, the film copy used in editing.

A 90 minute feature film shot at a none-too-generous 15:1 ratio, including blown takes, not merely unused ones, would be 1350 minutes of camera original. With each foot of 35mm color stock and processing costing about $1, and 90 feet a minute, that’s roughly $121,500 for raw film alone. That all has to be telecine- transferred to be edited electronically, and then at the end of the line a filmmaker has to pay for optical transfer of the mixed soundtrack, about $10,000, the negative cut, maybe $5,000, and the first answer print: another $10,000. So even on a Sundance-bound indie, the cost of photographic film approaches $150,000 before taxes. On a low budget first time feature, that can be 1/3 of the entire cost of a half million dollar film. Digital saves nearly all of it; that ain’t chicken feed.

In a studio situation, whether it’s film or digital, you still need all the other expensive stuff: a separate crew that deals with camera movement, laying down tracks and pushing a dolly, or wearing a Steadicam; lights and people to move and aim them, a boom operator and sound mixer.

The real reason Hollywood likes digital hasn’t been saving on production, which matters less to them, but eliminating release prints. That’s where the studios really save. A 3,000 print release of “The Phantom Menace” in 35mm cost $8,000,000, almost all of it worn out within four months, and then deliberately destroyed to deter copying. If a major studio had fifteen wide releases a year, that’s $120,000,000 spent and unrecoverable. One studio, one year. You could see their problem.

Now movies are carried on hard drives in aluminum Halliburton cases and reused. When stubborn, powerful directors still shoot on 35mm film, but like everyone else have to exhibit only on video or digital, the studios are still happy. They’ve still racked up the big savings. Mike Medavoy, a technically astute Hollywood executive, foresaw that with some clarity in the late Nineties.

On a larger film the savings over film in production are proportionately less significant a factor, but other factors weigh in: you don’t have to have “protection” takes for camera or performance because you can immediately see what you’ve got, one major reason for multiple takes over the film century, and actors really like that. There’s no longer a problem sometimes seeing dailies on location. The material is ready for digital editing immediately. With backed-up files, there’s no unique negative that can be damaged. The cameras are lighter and smaller, making setups faster and tracking shots easier. The camera boss is now also expected to be something like his or her own lab technician, working with a specialist to “grade” the output for color, contrast and brightness. Even for the pros it’s astonishing how fast this has all happened.

The Focal Press volume on “Digital Cinematography” (edited by David Stump) is detailed enough for professionals, but carefully explained and well written enough not to chase off newcomers.

Today, the essence and even many of the details of film and television production will be identical. You could, in theory, take any TV camera off the set of a sitcom and use it to shoot a photographically acceptable feature to show in a movie theater. But in real life, you almost certainly wouldn’t, because differences in the business practices and working customs of the television and film industries have led to special adaptations to the equipment needs of each of them.

One technicality of substance: almost all color TV cameras have had prisms that divided the image into three, at first for three vidicon tubes and later for three solid state chips. It works—it’s how the original three strip Technicolor cameras worked—but it lowers resolution and is only marginal for perfect convergence. The new “film” digital cameras are all one chip, with an image sensor that is coincidentally similar to various sizes of film stock. A three chip amateur camera, like my 1982 RCA down in the garage, has chips about the size of a Super 8 frame. A TV news camera and most broadcast cameras have three chips the sizes of a 16mm frame. These digital cinema cameras have a single chip as large as a full image 35mm frame, with the according jump in image quality.

A TV camera is set up for one person use, doing their own focusing through a monitor. There’s usually one zoom lens that’s used for everything, though others could be fitted. The digital recorder—tape, hard disk, or chip—is often physically part of the unit, which resembles a TV news camera. Those images are immediately replayable in their final form. A TV camera is set up so it only takes one operator to give you excellent quality. Work gets done fast.

A digital “film” camera might be identical electronically, but it’s been accessorized like an old film camera so a small crew can give you virtually perfect quality. Focus is measured in advance with a tape measure during rehearsals, and operated directly or remotely by a second operator, like a 35mm film camera. The highly regarded, top quality interchangeable lenses so important to cinematographers are kept. Physically, there’s less emphasis on keeping everything within one camera body. Digital data is often or usually stored outside the camera on a separate recorder. “Film” production cameras have sizes and specs to accept industry standard Arriflex accessories, like matte boxes, filter and diffusion packs, pan and tripod heads, “eye” highlights, and lens supports. The everyday work process goes faster than the old film days, but on a feature film set painstakingly slow work is accepted, if grudgingly.

As of now, digital is analogized to reversal color film, the 16mm standard when I went to school: it looks great—that’s why print advertisements were photographed with Ektachrome slide film instead of Kodacolor print film—but it usually allows for much less technical manipulation afterwards. More than WYSIWYG, it’s a case of “What You See Is All You Get”. If part of the image is overexposed, you can’t print it down, as they did in the old days, and pull more detail out of an image. Once the image sensor is saturated, that’s it; that’s all you can ever get.

Though on-set playback is always available, it’s only a reduced version of the real thing, which is stored with such detail and complexity that only a lower-resolution sample can be processed to fit on the viewing screen. That unviewable form of the rawest mathematical imaging data is called RAW. Imaginative, eh? RAW data, or another math format called “log” (for logarithm), partly solves the “reversal film” problem, allowing some manipulation of the finished image. That’s why some people casually, though inaccurately call RAW files “the digital negative”.

I learned something that is apparently true, but not spoken of much: many actresses don’t like digital, even though they have to accept it—unless they’re the star of the picture, with enough clout to demand 35mm film. It sounds vaguely sexist, but the digital picture is just too unsentimental and unforgiving for skin texture, so digital DPs often use old film lenses, plus the classic array of nets and gauzes, to soften the look.

Before every shot was made in video and seen on-set on video, the ones that positively required remote video monitoring were Steadicam shots and ones made by the new, Eighties generation of unmanned automated cranes. Aerial drones have been making “crane” shots for a couple of years and have gotten better and better at it. The other elements of the DP’s job are also changing, but are at least familiar extensions of modern film tech, like LED “cool” lighting.

For thirty years, even well before digital image capture, film cameras have had video assists, and a whole protocol has evolved around their on-set use. To baby boomers, “video village” was the name of a short-lived, but influential TV game show of the early Sixties. Now it is the nickname of the little, or not so little cluster of people on the sound stage privileged to watch playback on the monitor. This is supposedly at the director’s discretion, and would have seemed an imposition back when I was learning, but it’s evolved into an accepted practice, if not always graciously tolerated by actors and crews who understandably resent having every blown line or late focus pull instantly reviewed by the critics’ chorus of a loud, middle aged clique of set visitors from the studio, talent agency, or network.

Though it wouldn’t be visible on the surface, “workflow” has become a big buzzword. The old photographically based 35mm production chain was complicated and expensive, but it was long standardized and well understood. Today, each major brand of digital camera has its own menus and its own ways of saving and sending the finished product. So does every brand of editing software and equipment. So does each individual production company and studio. As in the early days of talkies, in a time of technical uncertainty it helped greatly to have gone through the process before, so people tended to stick with what they knew.

One other thing I enjoyed: “ASC Old Man-isms”. Like the guides that the American Society of Cinematographers used to publish, the book weaves straight technical info with stern, fatherly job guidance: if the on-set camera call is for 7 am, not only be ready at 7, but show ‘em you’re ready by having a lens in, even if it has to be changed. Work as fast as you can, talk to everyone, read up on your equipment, and be ready for anything. Never bad advice.

But amid the clichés and the grouchy old guy routines, Stump is saying something basic that’s not always obvious to someone who’s finally made it up the filmmaking pyramid to the director of photography’s chair: to you, you’re a “special snowflake”, a skilled and trained creative artist with rare abilities who’s reached the top of the craft and is entitled to a bit of leeway; but to the rest of the crew, you’re usually a barely tolerated impediment, the techie who can’t keep up with the actors and director, the one who “keeps fussing around with the lights” and slowing the shooting down. The camera boss is also the de facto boss of the electricians and grips, very large crews all by themselves, right down to dealing with the constant minor problem of keeping microphones out of the shot They’ll see it their way, not your way: that’s the Stump message to young DPs, and it’s no doubt as true today as it was in the silent era.

This valuable book reminds us how many people are involved in even a fairly modest professional shoot, say a commercial, music video, or TV show. There’s the hovering on-set presence of makeup, hair, and costume people, and of the need for carpenters and caterers, drivers, guards and accountants, who have to be nearby but may have nothing directly to do with filming.

It’s also a reminder of what a grind that life is. You wake up at 4:15, are at work by 6, and are filming by 7:20. You work beyond exhaustion—sound like your own workday so far? But then at 6 pm you meet again with the main collaborators and walk through the next day’s first scene so lights can be hung overnight and a camera placement worked out. Then you sit down with the director and watch yesterday’s work. You’re “home” at 8, bone tired, “home” is a motel or even a trailer in the middle of nowhere, and it all repeats the next morning—in the case of a feature film, for about ten-fifteen weeks. They earn their money.

Albert Abramson wrote a fine history of the invention of early television, 1880-1941, but later in life he rushed to complete his patchy “The History of Television, 1942-2000” which has some valuable, if almost comically slanted first-hand accounts of how video engineers spent decades deriding film’s haughty attitudes about image qualities and working procedures.

Abramson declares that once Sony’s analog HD system came out of its laboratories in the Eighties, the image quality question was settled. He declared victory over Kodak all over again, with somewhat more justification, in the very late Nineties, when the first handful of digital features were being shot essentially with slightly upgraded HDTV broadcast standards and equipment, but Abramson wouldn’t live to see digital finally triumph at both ends of the production pipeline in 2002-2012.

What annoyed Abramson is what illuminates “Digital Cinematography”; the complete subordination of electronic imaging to the conventional work habits of film studios. Guys like Abramson had toiled in the low-prestige vineyards of video for most of their careers, proud of their live television studio methods. Now, with their eternal celluloid rival finally tottering, instead of TV people being rushed to feature film sets to show humbled film people how it’s done, these first tentative learning efforts by Scorsese’s or Nolan’s cinematographers were supposed to be making Abramson’s lifelong field legitimate at last.

“Look, we can make it look even better than 35mm!” would, you’d think, please an old video chauvinist like Abramson, but in the years before his death he bubbled with resentment towards the bigfooting, or carpetbagging, of pampered, entitled feature film cinematographers coming to the sound stage to shoot their first digital film as if they were freshly inventing the stuff, which in the eyes of the fashionable media critics and writers was, of course, true.

Published in Entertainment
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 107 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. David Foster Member
    David Foster
    @DavidFoster

    Interesting post.  But how about the other cost elements of movie/video making?…actors, settings (or digital equivalents), etc?

    What do you see as a reasonable budget for making a serious feature-length ‘underground’ video, assuming high-quality script already exists?

     

    • #1
  2. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Going from memory here, but I believe that the original Clerks was shot 16mm.  If so, an excellent late example of the phenomenon you’re describing of the low budget way to success.  And I believe 28 Days Later was an early digital feature film, a small film that did unexpectedly well.

    • #2
  3. nandapanjandrum Member
    nandapanjandrum
    @

    Thanks for the field-trip-via-pixels, Gary!  Does familiarity with technical ins and outs enhance or hinder your enjoyment of a ‘film’?  I’ve heard it said that vinyl sounds “warmer” than .mp3 or aac; is there an analog in cinema?  Does noir seem more suspenseful on film? Or in digital images?  Does quality/clarity change perception in the viewer?

    • #3
  4. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    Very interesting info from someone with experience in the movie industry. Digital has certainly changed a lot of things.

    • #4
  5. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Depends what level you’re talking about. If you have a subject that’s well chosen to be “shootable”–nothing outlandish, less than a half dozen major speaking roles, locations that you control or are at least friendly to what you’re doing–you can probably shoot a finished 80-100 minute film in 3-4 weeks. More time is always better, of course, but time is what costs you when you’re paying people. Editing costs far, far less than shooting, you can do it on a home computer, and it can take as little as a couple of months. Since you are generally doing the editing yourself, there are no salaries.

    So the price question comes down to equipment rental for a month, plus the cost, if any, of the cast and crew. Is it a student film, or done for a church group? Salaries might be nothing. But even friends drift away from an arduous project; better to pay ’em something, even if it’s largely a token amount.

    One month rental equipment? Say, $15,000 if you want pro. Willing to scrimp? $4,000. Broke? Borrow a buddy’s S-SLR.

    Crew of five, cast of six: Eleven people, 20 shooting days, that’s 220 person/days. There’s been a movement in young Hollywood to pay a flat $100 day, plus meals and expenses, if any (parking; gas to drive to a location), with shares in the finished film to make up the rest of the “salary”. That would be $22,000.  The crew has to be fed, and pretty well; say $20 a day x 220. $4400.

    Other expenses? You’ll be using a lot of someone’s electricity. Best to give them $500, and if it’s their store/school/other location, a goodwill fee of $100 a day. 20 days=$2000, plus that $500 for electrical.

    Total? You can make a reasonably decent looking feature film for the web for the $50,000 or so listed above.

    Halfway decent professional actors in the main roles would at least double that even if they aren’t “names”.  A small professional crew would cost at least $12,000 a week, so to bring this all up to around $200,000 as something you could conceivably see on cable TV.

    A feature film for Sundance and then regular movie theaters? Most people would say, $5 million, minimum; I say about a tenth of that.

     

    • #5
  6. David Foster Member
    David Foster
    @DavidFoster

    Thanks, Gary.  Also: what about high-quality animation as opposed to live shots?…I can think of at least one film concept that IMO would work better as an animated film than acted.

    • #6
  7. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Nanda Panjandrum:Thanks for the field-trip-via-pixels, Gary! Does familiarity with technical ins and outs enhance or hinder your enjoyment of a ‘film’? I’ve heard it said that vinyl sounds “warmer” than .mp3 or aac; is there an analog in cinema? Does noir seem more suspenseful on film? Or in digital images? Does quality/clarity change perception in the viewer?

    Oh yeah, Nanda. There are still plenty of people who swear by film, and if they have “clout”, they can use it for filming, but tough luck when it comes to projection. In most cases the 35mm projectors don’t even exist–Tarantino struggled to come up with venues for “The Hateful Eight”.

    I’m an anti-luddite; digital can look as good as film, but it takes all the breaks, and projection is usually the weakest end.

    • #7
  8. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    More memory on Clerks:

    Your 5 crew and 6 cast is about right, but most were both.  Kevin Smith talks about the mic booms being held by whoever was around at the time.  Self-funded, along with a couple of personal-friend, angel investors.  The two stores were owned by the same guy, also a friend (Kevin Smith actually worked there).  Less than $30k.  By any standard, ridiculously cheap.  If you want to do it, it can be done.

    • #8
  9. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    David Foster:Thanks, Gary. Also: what about high-quality animation as opposed to live shots?…I can think of at least one film concept that IMO would work better as an animated film than acted.

    Animation has some unique qualities from a business point of view. There’s virtually no tech crew to pay. Running an animation camera is closer to being a xerox machine operator than to being a director of photography. You could do it yourself. It’s also one of the few areas where digital’s savings over film are minimized, as animated films don’t have multiple takes and retakes to get the lines right. It’s almost a 1:1 ratio (everything gets used).

    Having said all that, animation is labor intensive at the artist’s end. It’s hard to get other people to work for free on your labor of love.

    • #9
  10. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Judge Mental:More memory on Clerks:

    Your 5 crew and 6 cast is about right, but most were both. Kevin Smith talks about the mic booms being held by whoever was around at the time. Self-funded, along with a couple of personal-friend, angel investors. The two stores were owned by the same guy, also a friend (Kevin Smith actually worked there). Less than $30k. By any standard, ridiculously cheap. If you want to do it, it can be done.

    You bet it can, and it should. I knew a guy who wrote stories which were vaguely in our Ricochet Silent Radio vein, and to credit his initiative and guts, made one into a 16mm film noir, and on a hyper-low budget at that. It was a frustrating case, because it was so cleverly done it was admirable, but it just didn’t quite make it over the hump of suspension of disbelief. You never once felt like you were inside Forties Los Angeles. Instead you kept saying “Damn! Almost looks like the entrance to a real night club, doesn’t it?”

    • #10
  11. Matt Balzer Member
    Matt Balzer
    @MattBalzer

    Gary McVey:

    Judge Mental:More memory on Clerks:

    Your 5 crew and 6 cast is about right, but most were both. Kevin Smith talks about the mic booms being held by whoever was around at the time. Self-funded, along with a couple of personal-friend, angel investors. The two stores were owned by the same guy, also a friend (Kevin Smith actually worked there). Less than $30k. By any standard, ridiculously cheap. If you want to do it, it can be done.

    You bet it can, and it should. I knew a guy who wrote stories which were vaguely in our Ricochet Silent Radio vein, and to credit his initiative and guts, made one into a 16mm film noir, and on a hyper-low budget at that. It was a frustrating case, because it was so cleverly done it was admirable, but it just didn’t quite make it over the hump of suspension of disbelief. You never once felt like you were inside Forties Los Angeles. Instead you kept saying “Damn! Almost looks like the entrance to a real night club, doesn’t it?”

    I think the trick there is to run with it. If you can’t make it realistic, either embrace the unrealism or modify it so that it is more realistic.

    • #11
  12. harrisventures Inactive
    harrisventures
    @harrisventures

    That was a great lecture Professor. I feel like I actually learned something.

    Thanks, and keep it up!

    • #12
  13. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    harrisventures:That was a great lecture Professor. I feel like I actually learned something.

    Thanks, and keep it up!

    Ditto!

    • #13
  14. nandapanjandrum Member
    nandapanjandrum
    @

    More R>SRN, please? (I’m craving Jessica Rabbit’s hair and that luscious promised gown – getting the guy, too!)

    • #14
  15. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    Gary, I’d like to hear more about your experience in the film industry.

    • #15
  16. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Nanda, relax! I’ve got the ghost of Main Bocher himself (his actual name) heading right over to take your measurements on a classic strapless Mainbocher, circa 1962 or so. l know what’ll make Judge Mental’s eyes pop out. He’s a guy…we’re all alike!

    Red Hot Riding Hood sketches

    But of course in my story, the outfit has a full skirt. This is a conservative website, after all. The show is going to be called “A Judge Mental Christmas Special!”.

    • #16
  17. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Matt Balzer:

    Gary McVey:

    Judge Mental:More memory on Clerks:

    Your 5 crew and 6 cast is about right, but most were both. Kevin Smith talks about the mic booms being held by whoever was around at the time. Self-funded, along with a couple of personal-friend, angel investors. The two stores were owned by the same guy, also a friend (Kevin Smith actually worked there). Less than $30k. By any standard, ridiculously cheap. If you want to do it, it can be done.

    You bet it can, and it should. I knew a guy who wrote stories which were vaguely in our Ricochet Silent Radio vein, and to credit his initiative and guts, made one into a 16mm film noir, and on a hyper-low budget at that. It was a frustrating case, because it was so cleverly done it was admirable, but it just didn’t quite make it over the hump of suspension of disbelief. You never once felt like you were inside Forties Los Angeles. Instead you kept saying “Damn! Almost looks like the entrance to a real night club, doesn’t it?”

    I think the trick there is to run with it. If you can’t make it realistic, either embrace the unrealism or modify it so that it is more realistic.

    This is excellent advice. Naturally, it’s damned hard to bring off, but it’s the only choice you’ve got. The challenges of low budget production are especially tough on us history nuts–I know I speak for many if not most on Ricochet–because some of our most valuable potential lessons involve recent American history. That’s doable. For example, within fifty miles of Skipsul’s house, there’s a tiny museum with television sets that go back to the Thirties. There are car clubs with immaculate old cars. There are monuments, unique geological features, and Ohio re-enactors. There are stories you could tell within limits like that. For God’s sake, why not a few positive stories about pre-’68 America? If you’re really careful with what you’ve got, you could do your own “Hoosiers” or “Stand by Me” on a micro-budget.

    But outer space or medieval England would be tougher.

    • #17
  18. nandapanjandrum Member
    nandapanjandrum
    @

    Gary McVey:Nanda, relax! I’ve got the ghost of Main Bocher himself (his actual name) heading right over to take your measurements on a classic strapless Mainbocher, circa 1962 or so. l know what’ll make Judge Mental’s eyes pop out. He’s a guy…we’re all alike!

    Red Hot Riding Hood sketches

    But of course in my story, the outfit has a full skirt. This is a conservative website, after all. The show is going to be called “A Judge Mental Christmas Special!”.

    Perfect! I love full skirts and rustling petticoats: They leave something to the imagination…Looking forward to it! (Here’s looking at you, JM…)

    • #18
  19. Matt Balzer Member
    Matt Balzer
    @MattBalzer

    Gary McVey: But outer space or medieval England would be tougher.

    Outer space, yeah. Medieval England? I know some guys.

    • #19
  20. Craig Inactive
    Craig
    @Craig

    I made my documentary titled IN THE RAW on a rented Sony PD150 in 2003/2004.  Some of the Television people I had to interview were asking “Where’s your crew?” I said I’m the crew, the sound is recorded on the Camera, it’s broadcast quality (for the time).  There was a feeling then amongst professionals that you still needed an army to make anything.  I took the view that a ‘film army’ meant too many cooks.  Introduces too many parameters of individual error.  Meaning, if I made a mistake, I had only myself to blame.  You were spared having the crew member shrugging their shoulders pretending it wasn’t their fault.  

    • #20
  21. nandapanjandrum Member
    nandapanjandrum
    @

    Nanda Panjandrum:

    Gary McVey:Nanda, relax! I’ve got the ghost of Main Bocher himself (his actual name) heading right over to take your measurements on a classic strapless Mainbocher, circa 1962 or so. l know what’ll make Judge Mental’s eyes pop out. He’s a guy…we’re all alike!

    Red Hot Riding Hood sketches

    But of course in my story, the outfit has a full skirt. This is a conservative website, after all. The show is going to be called “A Judge Mental Christmas Special!”.

    Perfect! I love full skirts and rustling petticoats: They leave something to the imagination…Looking forward to it! (Here’s looking at you, JM…)

    The measurements are taken, I’ve looked at sketches and swatches: a heavenly experience! Will try to post a photo of the display version tomorrow…

     

     

    • #21
  22. Craig Inactive
    Craig
    @Craig

    Gary McVey: If you’re really careful with what you’ve got, you could do your own “Hoosiers” or “Stand by Me” on a micro-budget.

    Or ‘Tender Mercies’

    • #22
  23. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Craig:I made my documentary titled IN THE RAW on a rented Sony PD150 in 2003/2004. Some of the Television people I had to interview were asking “Where’s your crew?” I said I’m the crew, the sound is recorded on the Camera, it’s broadcast quality (for the time). There was a feeling then amongst professionals that you still needed an army to make anything. I took the view that a ‘film army’ meant too many cooks. Introduces too many parameters of individual error. Meaning, if I made a mistake, I had only myself to blame. You were spared having the crew member shrugging their shoulders pretending it wasn’t their fault.

    Good for you! Gus Van Sant and a number of others did the same sort of thing, becoming “one man bands” with a camera and a mike, with the 16mm equipment of the late Eighties. Always glad to see a member with an unconventional background.

    Adelaide, eh? My friends on the site know the finest car I ever owned was a Pontiac GTO, actually an Australian Holden Monaro, a proud Adelaide product. Sad that the production lines will be closing next year. For all the ups and downs I still feel that they did a fine job over the years.

     

    • #23
  24. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Here’s the proof–

    DSCN0182

    • #24
  25. Craig Inactive
    Craig
    @Craig

    Gary McVey: Always glad to see a member with an unconventional background.

    I wanted to do more projects but budget limitations and other adversity prevented it from occurring.

    Essentially my Bucket List of films adaptation are as follows.

    1. ‘Sorry‘: Based on ‘Sorry: The Wretched Tale of Little Stevie Wright’  by Jack Marx. The Quasi Biopic of lead singer for 60s Australian band The Easybeats (Friday on my Mind) and his decline from fame into Heroin soaked obscurity. And dual story of journalist Jack Marx living with Wright at his lowest trying to extract his biographic tale. Only to discover Wright is reluctant to give away his (already paid for) story to Marx (who only walks away with nothing but his own drug/alcohol addictions).

    2: Knowland: Biopic based on ‘One Step from the White House: The Rise and Fall of Senator William F. Knowland’. A Greek Tragedy of the highest order. Featuring 5 Presidents and the torment of Knowland who’s decision prevents him from being one. 

    3. The Wanting Seed : The most underrated dystopian Anthony Burgess novel of the same name.

     

    • #25
  26. Craig Inactive
    Craig
    @Craig

    Gary McVey:Here’s the proof–

    DSCN0182

    • #26
  27. nandapanjandrum Member
    nandapanjandrum
    @

    Craig, the Church Lady Panda learned a lot from your documentary. Well-done! :-)

    • #27
  28. Craig Inactive
    Craig
    @Craig

    Nanda Panjandrum: Craig, the Church Lady Panda learned a lot from your documentary. Well-done!

    Yikes! Well it’s a story about censorship and the risks that come from it.

    • #28
  29. nandapanjandrum Member
    nandapanjandrum
    @

    Craig:

    Nanda Panjandrum: Craig, the Church Lady Panda learned a lot from your documentary. Well-done!

    Yikes! Well it’s a story about censorship and the risks that come from it.

    Understood, of course (-:  Amazing that you have to cope with government censors while we allow ourselves to be burdened with “safe spaces” and political correctness [sigh]. Did you enjoy making the documentary? Did you follow the avant-garde scene much yourself?

    • #29
  30. Hank Rhody Contributor
    Hank Rhody
    @HankRhody

    I feel like I’m going to do something foolish like contribute to the arts. Where’s @MattBalzer?

    • #30
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.