The Wisdom of the Ricochetti Is…

 

Once again , I turn to the assembled wisdom of the Ricochetti tribes, the Rabble, the Never Rights, the Hopeful Reluctants , the Pessimists and even our handful of Progs.

AngryMob

Our President-Elect is going on a victory rally tour of the newly red colored territories. Before the inauguration. I cannot remember this ever occurring before.

I have expressed a belief that we are seeing a Presidency that believes in offense in the information war, and is using several tools to connect direct to the citizenry and bypass the media. Many in the media see it as cunning but not intelligent, some just discount it. They see no overall strategy.

I ask the assembled Tribes of Ricochetti by claiming my Right of Question:

What’s up with that? Is this a shallow , narcissist just winging it, looking for adulation and attention or do you discern a plan, a coordination and a structure to derail the media’s ability to frame and define the image as they have for other Presidents?

Simple question, on a scale from clueless, hapless narcissist working at random to master persuader media warfare Sun Tzu, what do you see so far?

Bonus round: Will the rallies continue and what kind of viewership do you think he will get if they do? Will he do them after inauguration?

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Over to you tribal members. Serious answers appreciated, humorous answers better be really funny and leave your vitriol at the hitching post outside of town, you can claim it when you leave. We don’t want any fights breaking out when the tribes assemble.

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  1. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    This is a “remind those who elected you” that you are THEIR president-elect, not the Establishment’s, or the Media’s tour.  Trump won the election by continually restating that he is one of the people, not one of the “Protected”, as Peggy Noonan dubbed them.  Rush pointed this out countless times, and ordinary politicians simply can’t see it, or won’t.  Trump is exactly who he is, unlike The Harpy who is a fake person, and a real Harpy.

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  2. Franco Member
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    @Franco

    Master persuader/salesman. Sealing the deal. The salesman after the purchase is made telling the buyers they made a great decision. It’s also a chance for people to see him outside of the election battle and through a different lens.

    That, and he actually IS trying to make America great again.

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  3. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Although I wish he didn’t Twitter so much, I am delighted at his bypassing the MSM to reach the people. I’d be happier if he’d just ignore the stupid stuff out there. I’m quite sure people will be delighted to see him; I suspect it will be harder for him to be on the road after January 20; there are only so many things one can do electronically. I also would be concerned about his leading a “tour” being reminiscent of the arm-twisting that Obama tried to do on the road to “sell” his programs; he doesn’t have to make his trips one long campaign tour. Just make things happen!

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  4. Jamie Lockett Inactive
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    I think we need to see the content of the rallies before we can judge.

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  5. Mike LaRoche Inactive
    Mike LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    Trump is showing sincere gratitude and promising to never quit the fight.  Haven’t seen that from one of our elected leaders in quite some time.

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  6. Valiuth Inactive
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    @Valiuth

    Where does natural entertainer rank on the scale? I think he does the rallies for the obvious reason he likes doing them and his fans like them. I don’t really know if this is just vanity or some master plan. Maybe both? Given the result of the election one can not say they hurt him. In all likelihood they helped him. Certainly the coverage of the rallies at least increased his exposure to potential supporters though it should be noted that a majority of Americans did not support Trump’s bid in the end. Though both his win the electoral collage and loss of the popular vote may be attributed to regionalism.

    As to if they will continue I do not know. Once he is president the logistics become harder (security), also he will actually have to govern rather than campaign unless of course he outsources that to his cabinet and VP? Is that a good thing? Is it sustainable?

    I expect though that as President anything he does will get far more attention good and bad. The question is will that attention make it easier or harder for him to get things done. If you are always campaigning and trolling the other side you invite backlash (see Obama). Something has to be said for being able to turn it off and actually govern. Obama was never able to do that. He enjoyed campaign against Republicans more than actually doing his job.

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  7. Trink Coolidge
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    TKC1101:                                                                                                                              ” . . .  to connect direct to the citizenry and bypass the media.”

    I really hope ^ this is the reason.    Makes a lot of  sense.

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  8. Blondie Thatcher
    Blondie
    @Blondie

    I’d like to think he is going directly to the people who elected him and to heck with the media. He may try and continue this to some extent after January but it may be harder. I take no issue with it.

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  9. Gaius Inactive
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    @Gaius

    The psychological effects of a political campaign are different from those of a well propagandized war only as a matter of degree. In a democratic society each should be the exception rather than the rule. It was wrong for Obama to engage in a perpetual campaign throughout his presidency just as it is will be wrong for Trump to do so. We beat the progressives by preserving areas of life outside of politics. The necessary period of relative “peace” between presidential and midterm elections is such an area. We political junkies will keep the fight going for sure,  but the message for most Americans should be to go back to their regular lives. If each successive administration continues the escalation of this trend the result will be Maoism, not under Trump or even the next guy, but eventually.

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  10. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    @AustinMurrey

    I remember seeing politicians giving whistlestop addresses from train cars draped with bunting in movies set around the turn of the century and this could be that style of retail campaigning.

    He could be trying to consolidate support when he arrives in Washington from a series of stops along the way.

    Obama certainly did the speech tours and talks, although not during his run up to inauguration that I recall.

    Personally I think Trump is feeling cooped up in Manhattan after his year barnstorming and wants to get back out to talk to crowds – uniquely amongst the presidential hopefuls he enjoyed it.

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  11. TKC1101 Inactive
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    @TKC1101

    Valiuth: expect though that as President anything he does will get far more attention good and bad. The question is will that attention make it easier or harder for him to get things done. If you are always campaigning and trolling the other side you invite backlash (see Obama). Something has to be said for being able to turn it off and actually govern. Obama was never able to do that. He enjoyed campaign against Republicans more than actually doing his job.

    Val, try this on as a concept: A really good CEO:

    1. Defines and communicates goals
    2. Is responsible for shareholder support and customer support for those goals, along with funding to achieve them
    3. Picks the people who can deliver and backs them up.
    4. Measures progress and maintains support. Fires when necessary.

    Few politicians understand and live that model.  I expect Trump to spend his executive time doing the above, which means getting, maintaining and adding to support for the goals. A permanent campaign.

    Obama’s problem is he was deluded into thinking he was the smartest guy in the room. His staff reflected that.

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  12. Typical Anomaly Inactive
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    @TypicalAnomaly

    Just like a sale, political support can be undone.  He has the order, now he is about the business of making you glad you ordered (voted for) it. How well will he do? I’m with @jamielockett, we must wait for the fruit. And I agree with @valiuth that we cannot discount the vanity angle.

    But the novelty of making the effort gets a few points, as does the intent to undo the existing channels of information. This is not yet mastery, but it is creative.

    One empirical note for the geeks and wonks: I ran some numbers, made some guesses and came to the conclusion that there are some 100 million possible legit voters out there who did not participate in the recent election. Perhaps we are seeing the start of the Trump 2020 campaign. In our divided land, picking up a strategic 5-8% of those non-voters could be part of the future coalition that outperforms the previous identity-based models that have delivered victory.

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  13. TKC1101 Inactive
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    @TKC1101

    Gaius: a democratic society each should be the exception rather than the rule

    It would be nice, but our media today is 24/7/365 agent of the Progressives and will fill air time with an information war.  They began under Reagan, hit their stride with Bill Clinton and have gone nuclear with Trump.

    It will not stop. It killed the GW Bush administration. It gave us Obama.

    We are in a Cold War which requires hair trigger readiness. No one goes home and relaxes.  Memes to destroy flow from many sources and response must occur or your image is ground into dust.

    You did use the word “should’ as a qualifier, so I assume you grasp that it is not going to happen.

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  14. Jamie Lockett Inactive
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    @JamieLockett

    Typical Anomaly:Just like a sale, political support can be undone. He has the order, now he is about the business of making you glad you ordered (voted for) it. How well will he do? I’m with @jamielockett, we must wait for the fruit.

    But the novelty of making the effort gets a few points, as does the intent to undo the existing channels of information. This is not yet mastery, but it is creative.

    One empirical note for the geeks and wonks: I ran some numbers, made some guesses and came to the conclusion that there are some 100 million possible legit voters out there who did not participate in the recent election. Perhaps we are seeing the start of the Trump 2020 campaign. In our divided land, picking up a strategic 5-8% of those non-voters could be part of the future coalition that outperforms the previous identity-based models that have delivered victory.

    All the rallies in the world won’t amount to a hill of beans if he can’t deliver on his specific promises to his base.

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  15. WI Con Member
    WI Con
    @WICon

    Jamie Lockett:I think we need to see the content of the rallies before we can judge.

    Agreed – will be curious if promises & commitments are restated or emphasized. Could be a good way of thanking people that supported him, putting at ease other’s concerns and building excitement & hope.

    Like @typicalanomaly stated – good sales practice.

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  16. Typical Anomaly Inactive
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    @TypicalAnomaly

    Jamie Lockett:All the rallies in the world won’t amount to a hill of beans if he can’t deliver on his specific promises to his base.

    I cannot agree here. Look at the current Prez. His accomplishments were largely negative and yet the likeability is high.

    Had he been able to run a 3rd time, he would have won. And he would have had 90% of the black vote, after delivering exactly what to that base?

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  17. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Didn’t one of the podcasts a few days after the election suggest rallies in some of the red states as a logical next step?

     

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  18. Roberto Member
    Roberto
    @Roberto

    TKC1101:What’s up with that? Is this a shallow , narcissist just winging it, looking for adulation and attention or do you discern a plan, a coordination and a structure to derail the media’s ability to frame and define the image as they have for other Presidents?

    These do not strike me as being mutually exclusive. One matter made rather plain by the campaign is that he clearly enjoys the rallies, the campaigning amongst the people. It was not a burden to him, he was not out there because he had to be but because he relished it. Is there also calculation at work? Most certainly, keeping the momentum going, keeping the troops rallied has be in his mind as a means of building support for his agenda.

    Bonus round: Will the rallies continue and what kind of viewership do you think he will get if they do? Will he do them after inauguration?

    My guess is that he very much would like to continue them all through his administration. What I am curious about is if he can. Once in office the security arrangements change dramatically. It has long been apparent that a Presidential visit these days can actually be a burdensome headache due to the massive, traffic stopping, security apparatus that now comes with the office.  I wonder how he would square that circle.

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  19. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    WI Con:

    Jamie Lockett:I think we need to see the content of the rallies before we can judge.

    Agreed – will be curious if promises & commitments are restated or emphasized. Could be a good way of thanking people that supported him, putting at ease other’s concerns and building excitement & hope.

    Like @typicalanomaly stated – good sales practice.

    It might also impact his plans.  For example, he may end up talking about prosecuting Hillary again.

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  20. TKC1101 Inactive
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    @TKC1101

    Roberto: These do not strike me as being mutually exclusive

    The ‘winging it’ part is mutually exclusive to a careful, coordinated warplan for information. I agree he enjoys the rallies, and the audience can feel it.  Nothing beats the genuine article.

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  21. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    @AustinMurrey

    TKC1101:

    Roberto: These do not strike me as being mutually exclusive

    The ‘winging it’ part is mutually exclusive to a careful, coordinated warplan for information. I agree he enjoys the rallies, and the audience can feel it. Nothing beats the genuine article.

    What a great movie.

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  22. Publius Inactive
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    @Publius

    I think he knows he’s onto something disruptive based on the success of his non-conventional campaign. We’ll see him and his communications staff try and figure out how to keep that rolling during the presidential administration once it officially starts.  There’s no playbook for him to work with so he has to figure this out on his own.  He’ll make some mistakes, but hopefully will have more successes with it than failures.

    His Twitter account, for example, is an extremely sharp communications sword that he’s going to have to be very careful with or there could be very serious consequences for himself and others.

    Not that this has ever happened, but when the President of the United States says stupid stuff like declaring a red line if something occurs and then not doing jack squat once that something occurs, it can have serious consequences that can cost people their lives.

    A President with a Twitter account can say stupid stuff very quickly without the benefit of having staffers say, “Maybe that’s not a great idea, boss, how about this instead?”

    Eventually, he’s going to have to deliver.  If the first thing he does is a budget busting pork-laden Keynesian stimulus bill, it’s probably time to be a little concerned, but I think we can just continue to relax and enjoy the panic on the Left for at least a bit more.

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  23. TKC1101 Inactive
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    @TKC1101

    Austin Murrey: What a great movie

    One of my all time top ten. Martin’s best work.

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  24. Valiuth Inactive
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    @Valiuth

    TKC1101:

    Val, try this on as a concept: A really good CEO:

    1. Defines and communicates goals
    2. Is responsible for shareholder support and customer support for those goals, along with funding to achieve them
    3. Picks the people who can deliver and backs them up.
    4. Measures progress and maintains support. Fires when necessary.

    Few politicians understand and live that model. I expect Trump to spend his executive time doing the above, which means getting, maintaining and adding to support for the goals. A permanent campaign.

    Obama’s problem is he was deluded into thinking he was the smartest guy in the room. His staff reflected that.

    Fair points all. The catch with running the government vs. a company is that you don’t have unilateral power. The system does not give that. You still need buy in from the Dems so they don’t filibuster all your legislation. And you need that legislation if you want to actually do something. We can’t run the government on executive orders alone.  So if all you are doing is trolling progressives it will invite higher levels of resistance from them. I guess that can go under #2 on your list, but I am skeptical as to how the dynamics of a shareholders and congressmen really lines up. The Dems benefit by hindering him, shareholders don’t benefit from crippling the CEO.

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  25. Gaius Inactive
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    TKC1101: We are in a Cold War which requires hair trigger readiness. No one goes home and relaxes.

    One wonders how we prevailed in the real cold war without centralizing the economy or massacring the kulaks. Clearly the US did not demonstrate the necessary toughness or resolution in adopting the means of its opponents.

    The byzantine iconoclasts on the other hand shared your conception of what winning requires. Aware that the muhammadens who were annexing their territories allowed no images of the prophet they assumed post hoc ergo propter hoc that smashing their own religious symbols would ensure victory. I doubt that Trump will gain any more from the demolition of “democratic niceties” than the byzantines did from defacing churches and altars.

    Fundamentally TKC, I disagree with you about the source of Trump’s victory. His core of energized supporters were necessary for sure but not sufficient. Ordinary Americans who disliked both candidates saw the left and their media allies frothing at the mouth over deplorable and reacted in disgust. I don’t find it probably that these voters would be willing to write off the coasts and cities any more than they were willing to write off middle America. In other words the result of the leftist “info-war” you’re so worried about was a massive self inflicted gunshot wound to the foot. Respond in kind at your peril.

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  26. Jamie Lockett Inactive
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    Valiuth:

    TKC1101:

    Val, try this on as a concept: A really good CEO:

    1. Defines and communicates goals
    2. Is responsible for shareholder support and customer support for those goals, along with funding to achieve them
    3. Picks the people who can deliver and backs them up.
    4. Measures progress and maintains support. Fires when necessary.

    Few politicians understand and live that model. I expect Trump to spend his executive time doing the above, which means getting, maintaining and adding to support for the goals. A permanent campaign.

    Obama’s problem is he was deluded into thinking he was the smartest guy in the room. His staff reflected that.

    Fair points all. The catch with running the government vs. a company is that you don’t have unilateral power. The system does not give that. You still need buy in from the Dems so they don’t filibuster all your legislation. And you need that legislation if you want to actually do something. We can’t run the government on executive orders alone. So if all you are doing is trolling progressives it will invite higher levels of resistance from them. I guess that can go under #2 on your list, but I am skeptical as to how the dynamics of a shareholders and congressmen really lines up. The Dems benefit by hindering him, shareholders don’t benefit from crippling the CEO.

    I agree that this is what TKC means by shareholder and customer support – once the public is on board, enough Dems will follow.

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  27. Martel Inactive
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    Gaius:The psychological effects of a political campaign are different from those of a well propagandized war only as a matter of degree. In a democratic society each should be the exception rather than the rule. It was wrong for Obama to engage in a perpetual campaign throughout his presidency just as it is will be wrong for Trump to do so. We beat the progressives by preserving areas of life outside of politics. The necessary period of relative “peace” between presidential and midterm elections is such an area. We political junkies will keep the fight going for sure, but the message for most Americans should be to go back to their regular lives. If each successive administration continues the escalation of this trend the result will be Maoism, not under Trump or even the next guy, but eventually.

    The other side always escalates the culture/political wars, our side “go[es] back to [our] regular lives.”

    And then we wonder why we lose.

    I’d rather keep politics in a neat little corner to take out just during elections, too.   But what should be the norm is now a luxury we can’t afford, for we’re under perpetual assault by those who live for this stiff and will not back down ever under any circumstance.  Disregarding this is akin to surrender.

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  28. TKC1101 Inactive
    TKC1101
    @TKC1101

    Valiuth: Fair points all. The catch with running the government vs. a company is that you don’t have unilateral power. The system does not give that. You still need buy in from the Dems so they don’t filibuster all your legislation. And you need that legislation if you want to actually do something. We can’t run the government on executive orders alone. So if all you are doing is trolling progressives it will invite higher levels of resistance from them. I guess that can go under #2 on your list, but I am skeptical as to how the dynamics of a shareholders and congressmen really lines up. The Dems benefit by hindering him, shareholders don’t benefit from crippling the CEO.

    Any deal with multiple investors is really intricate politics. Even in a corporation the CEO has factions and rivals and a Board, so power is limited to success and politics. Managing congress is going to be Pences job, and a lot of the cabinet is coming from congress. I expect Trump will deal with the voters and Pence will be the inside man with congress. I have run that game in the corporate world and it does work. The idea I wanted to convey is not that the model is a guarantee, but that is the model Trump is using. I expect Trump and Pence and McConnell will be cutting deals with Schumer, who has a party to rebuild and over 20 seats to defend in hostile territory in 2018. The timing is not all that bad, and Trump and Schumer go back a ways.

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  29. Publius Inactive
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    @Publius

    TKC1101:Val, try this on as a concept: A really good CEO:

    1. Defines and communicates goals
    2. Is responsible for shareholder support and customer support for those goals, along with funding to achieve them
    3. Picks the people who can deliver and backs them up.
    4. Measures progress and maintains support. Fires when necessary.

    So contrast that with people like Bill Clinton who apparently would get deep into the policy weeds with his staff or Barack Obama who thought he knew better than his staff.  If Trump’s model is the @tkc1101 four point plan for perpetual Presidential winning, he could be in very good shape.

    I could see a Trump/Mattis partnership being very successful, for example.  Trump figures out his goals and then he works with a top strategic thinker like Mattis to figure out the strategy.  The tactics then follow once that strategy is set and the tactical stuff is not Trump’s problem.  He’s there to provide the goal and work out the strategy with his senior staffers.

     

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  30. TKC1101 Inactive
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    @TKC1101

    Gaius: Fundamentally TKC, I disagree with you about the source of Trump’s victory

    It will be at least fun to watch it play out. We ae all guessing here right now, which makes the conversation fun.

    One, both or neither of us will be proven right as it unfolds.

    I appreciate your comment, it was well done.

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