Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Now It’s Your Turn

 

For those of you who read my most recent post, you know that I called out the Reluctant and Never Trump people and told them I believed it was time for them to join the Trump team. As a result, I think it’s only right for me to speak to those of you who have been Trump supporters for a long time, and explain why I think you should welcome those who held back their support for Trump.

Let me first point out that many people who were not willing to support Trump earlier commented on the OP referenced above that they’ve come around, with varying degrees of enthusiasm; some of them are cautiously optimistic; others are willing to support him with a dispassionate eye. The point is that lots of people admitted to changing their minds and are now on board. This was shared with almost no mention of the hostility that has developed on Ricochet between the Never Trump and Trump contingents.

Unfortunately, there are still Trump supporters who are angry at the Never Trump people. I know many of the discussions have been bitter, but I hope those of you who supported Trump will consider moving the dialogue forward.

I divide Trump supporters into more or less four categories:

  1. Those who will never forgive those who criticized Trump, and who will continue to bash those who didn’t jump on the bandwagon from the beginning;
  2. Those who allow themselves to be drawn into hostile discussions that are clearly intended to bait them;
  3. Those who are very skeptical that people have changed their views and they still tell the newcomers that they will have to prove themselves; and
  4. Those who are willing to welcome those who are now on board and are giving them the benefit of the doubt.

So, are those of you who have been passionately for Trump willing to disengage when you are taunted by those who choose to antagonize you? Will you welcome into the fold those who now want to support Trump? I’m still seeing a gnashing of teeth and nasty comments from both sides. Hey Trump folks, you won! We won! And Trump can use all the help he can get.

And finally: I believe that people are entitled to their feelings, especially when we are hurt or angry; the beauty of being human is that we can transcend our feelings, and act/write with dignity and forethought.

Will you open the gates to the newest members of the Trump team?

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  1. Kay of MT Member

    I was never a never Trump, but our choices were narrowed until Trump or Clinton were the choices. Clinton is a proven liar and murderer even if she used another hand. The choice was obvious so I have little or no respect for those who refused to consider Trump.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:08 AM PST
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  2. Trinity Waters Inactive

    Very amicable post, Susan. Well done!

    I admit to being involved in the rancor and bitterness in our community here, so I’ll offer an olive branch. The categories you list above are of course not isolated, and I have found in the discussions that I’m a combination of 2 and 3, and am transiting to 3 entirely. This was a dangerous election with almost unimaginably horrible consequences if the Beast won, so I was tense and wanted desperately to have all on board to fight her. So, now I’m calming down and trying not to take bait that is clearly not intended to be constructive.

    So, constructive is what we all need to be now. It would be wonderful to come together and help form ideas about how our miraculously acquired political power can best be used in service to the citizenry. Since we’re human, there will be some conflict here. But if those who were, and I emphasize were, at any point virulently Never Trump in their stated views, approach the community with some humility, all could be well. But, even that doesn’t matter so much as long as claws are sheathed and we rationally and less emotionally discuss issues.

    Trump is already showing us that he’s a better President elect than many expected. He’s hoping desperately for national unity, and is doing a fine job with transition appointments so far. Sessions as AG!

    Thanks again, Susan, for this post.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:11 AM PST
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  3. cdor Member
    cdor Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    #4 with one slight issue…

    I have a small problem with a #nevertyrump person coming out immediately with “well intentioned” advice on what Trump needs to do to be successful. Several commentators/contributors/podcasters here for whom I have enormous respect, but were vicious, snarky, and constant anti Trump folks have posted their advice to Trump within days of his victory and even before they amended their previously harsh opinions. Gotta say…that annoys me.

    It’s great that Trump is behaving much better than I am. Mitt Romney wouldn’t be in the same building as me had I been DJT.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:15 AM PST
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  4. PHenry Member

    I was Reluctant Trump once he won the nomination. However, I often found myself in the position of defending him from vicious attacks from Never Trump.

    I am not ‘holding a grudge’, really. I am however not at all convinced that a large number of Never Trump are not just anxiously waiting to jump up and say ‘This proves everything I suspected, and I was right about him, and he is the devil we portrayed him to be’.

    If you need examples, just look at the Steve Bannon conversations.

    If you were unable to support Trump in the election, and you now see that a Republican majority in both houses and the executive is a huge (yuge?) opportunity, by all means, get on board, welcome, lets move on.

    But if you are still lurking in wait so you can tar every choice as more proof of racism, antisemitism, covert liberalism or whatever, you aren’t really on the team, are you?

    Trump won’t 100% satisfy anyone. (Which candidate has?). His supporters have to work to keep him moving in the right direction. Constructive criticism is one thing, but don’t tell me you are on the team if you still harbor resentment and hope to see him fail.

    And if you were one of those who spent the preelection time sabotaging the candidate, you still have to answer for that. If you were so sure he was the devil then, why should we accept you don’t now?

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:19 AM PST
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  5. Klank Inactive

    That’s not what the boss seems to be saying.

    If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    If Trump intends to mend fences with the NeverTrumpers, he’s sure started about it in a funny way. It seems like the message is “Loyalty –especially blind, obedient, uncritical loyalty — is the single most important attribute that a member of the Trump administration can manifest. Experience, intelligence, success, and insight are nice-to-have, not need-to-have. He’ll settle for third- or fourth-stringers who never tweeted anything critical of The Donald, rather than conciliate with a seasoned pro who has. The Kremlin-esque purges and maneuvering going on in the transition team only serve to exacerbate this sensation.

    I am deeply concerned that our future CINC is surrounding himself with sycophants, yes-men, and toadies, in a manner designed to insulate from, rather than incorporate the input of those that have dared to contradict or criticize him.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:20 AM PST
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  6. PHenry Member

    Klank: rather than incorporate the input of those that have dared to contradict or criticize him.

    so he should be concentrating on including Democrats and NeverTrump, because he needs the criticism?

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:29 AM PST
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  7. Klank Inactive

    PHenry: so he should be concentrating on including Democrats and NeverTrump, because he needs the criticism?

    Yes.

    All people need criticism. We all make mistakes, and criticism (the useful, constructive kind) helps us to see them, and to remedy them.

    Ignoring people who have different views than you causes you to be blind to your own failings, and therefore unable to correct them, or to learn from the wisdom of others.

    Most of our periods of political success (the Republican Revolution, and the Reagan years being the two most recent instances) involved cross-party cooperation, rather than imperiously dictating terms to those out of power.

    Cooperation isn’t just nice and touchy-feely; it is intrinsically logical.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:38 AM PST
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  8. Trink Coolidge
    Trink Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Susan Quinn: And finally: I believe that people are entitled to their feelings. . . 

    Susan, from Robert Frost’s Reluctance

    Ah, when to the heart of man

    Was it ever less than a treason

    To go with the drift of things,

    To yield with a grace to reason,

    And bow and accept the end

    Of a love or a season? . . . . .

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:40 AM PST
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  9. Seawriter Contributor

    I posted my views on this here.

    Seawriter

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:46 AM PST
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  10. livingtheLoneStarlife Inactive

    The election is over, so now the labels are meaningless. Regardless how I voted, I will call things as I see them.

    Michael Flynn – terrible pick.

    Jeff Sessions – I would have preferred Ted Cruz, but I have no beef with Sessions. I have confidence he’ll do some swamp draining at Justice, and hopefully kick more than just a few rats out of their nests (sorry for the brutally mixed metaphors).

    Romney – if rumors are true, I like this pick, although I have concerns whether Romney is the right guy to communicate Trump’s foreign policy across the world.

    Rumors that Trump will not move into the White House – if true, this is bad. The White House is more than a building, it’s a symbol to the rest of the world. Our president needs to live there.

    I have some real concerns about the mixing of Trump’s business enterprise and government business. There’s a real risk we could have another version of the Clinton Foundation, where political favors and family business are mixed together in an ugly cocktail of payoffs and personal benefit. I’m taking a wait and see stance on this, but seeing the picture with Ivanka (who’s supposed to be running the Trump enterprise) at a meeting with the Japanese PM doesn’t give me hope of a bold line between government and personal business.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:47 AM PST
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  11. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Contributor

    PHenry:I am not ‘holding a grudge’, really. I am however not at all convinced that a large number of Never Trump are not just anxiously waiting to jump up and say ‘This proves everything I suspected, and I was right about him, and he is the devil we portrayed him to be’.

    If you need examples, just look at the Steve Bannon conversations.

    …if you are still lurking in wait so you can tar every choice as more proof of racism, antisemitism, covert liberalism or whatever, you aren’t really on the team, are you?

    Well, now, this is interesting, because to others, the recent Bannon conversations – conversations are not just the OP, but all the comments as well – were quite different from ‘This proves everything I suspected, and I was right about him, and he is the devil we portrayed him to be’. They Saw a Game

    For many of us, especially perhaps the younger members who are likely to know some who lean alt-right in our social milieu, raising the relationship of Breitbart under Bannon to the alt-right prompted better understanding of what the alt-right is. To pool what I knew with what, say, @austinmurrey and @sabrdance knew gave those of us who were interested a fuller picture of what was going on.

    But then, we were approaching the topic not from the “Does this smear Trump or not?” perspective, but from the perspective of those who know that alt-right stuff has actually attracted some of our fellow travelers. Those interested in any relationship between Bannon and the alt-right only insofar as it does or does not smear Trump might not see the conversations in the same way, and so walk away with a different impression.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:47 AM PST
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  12. Ron Selander Member

    Great post, Susan!

    We have, as Trinity Waters said, “miraculously acquired political power.” We must not squander it. Part of it is certainly bathing our President-elect in prayer!!

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:49 AM PST
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  13. Franco Member
    Franco Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I am a conditional #1

    I only have contempt for those who wouldn’t support the nominee by mid October.

    I have no need to “bash” them, but they won’t get away with lecturing Trump in “open letters” , or posts, or trying to continue down the same negative,paranoid path.

    I have no doubt that many are hoping for personal vindication with any and every Trump faux pas.

    The despicable attacks on Bannon from Fred Cole, J pod, Jonah Golberg (all directly associated with Ricochet) along with Bill Kristol show me all I need to see.

    There exists a very real bunch of political saboteurs who I will NEVER trust again about anything. (I used to trust them on some things) If J pod recommends a movie, I will be sure to avoid it. But I no longer lister/read him so ignorance is bliss….

    The diehard Nevers, like before, hold little status with me as analysts of politics or the zeitgeist, media strategy or messaging.

    These people were proven wrong in no uncertain terms. They were wrong in exactly the ways I suspected, and now it’s proven.

    I said early on that DJT would make up for nevertrump defections and abstentions with new voters and Reagan Democrats.

    Few of these people have admitted it. Therefore, they remain on the bench. Third string Republicans.

    @klank

    Sorry to break this to ya, but Trump doesn’t need to mend fences with nevertrumpers. They need to mend fences with him (and us).

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:56 AM PST
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  14. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Susan Quinn: So, are those of you who have been passionately for Trump willing to disengage when you are taunted by those who choose to antagonize you? Will you welcome into the fold those who now want to support Trump? I’m still seeing a gnashing of teeth and nasty comments from both sides. Hey Trump folks, you won! We won! And Trump can use all the help he can get.

    It would be nice if Trump supporters admitted that it wasn’t just NeverTrumpers that start contentious arguments or bait the other side.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:57 AM PST
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  15. cdor Member
    cdor Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Klank: If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    Well now Mr. Klank, that is quite the view point you have. Mike Rogers…wasn’t he the guy that headed a congressional committee that gave Clinton a pass on Benghazi? I seem to remember both Representatives Gowdy and Nunez being pretty unhappy with him. So do you also criticize Trump for replacing Christie with Vice Pres Elect Mike Pence? What else must Trump do to satisfy your unhappiness? DJT is gonna be a busy man making you comfortable, it appears. Well, I hope you give him some space. He’s got 4500 positions to fill. Some of them, most surely, will be good ones.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 8:58 AM PST
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  16. Hypatia Inactive

    Trink:

    Susan Quinn: And finally: I believe that people are entitled to their feelings. . .

    Susan, from Robert Frost’s Reluctance

    Ah, when to the heart of man

    Was it ever less than a treason

    To go with the drift of things,

    To yield with a grace to reason,

    And bow and accept the end

    Of a love or a season? . . . . .

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    THIS from-the-beginning Trump supporter is more than happy to welcome any NeverTrumpers and ReluctantTrumpers! (If he hadn’t won, I wouldn’t have been able to forgive! but since they didn’t do any harm, why not?)

    i agree with@Phenry‘s post.

    And I’m quoting the above post because I just HOPE we can all get to the point Robert Frost described in “The Gift Outright” after the 1960 election:

    “Come fresh from an election like the last,

    The greatest vote a people ever cast,

    So close yet sure to be abided by,

    It is no miracle our mood is high.”

    If we can’t get to “sure to be abided by”, we have lost everything.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:04 AM PST
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  17. Larry3435 Member

    Klank: Ignoring people who have different views than you causes you to be blind to your own failings, and therefore unable to correct them, or to learn from the wisdom of others.

    That beautifully sums up the Obama Presidency. Look at how many Sec/Def’s he has fired because he didn’t want to hear that his military “strategy” amounted to nothing more than “ISIS gone wild.”

    I hope that will not be the Trump Presidency. So far there are some promising signs. My hope is sincere. I want Trump to succeed in many of the things he promised during the campaign. If there are still NT-bashers out there who will be angry that I “hope” for his success, because that suggests some doubt, well I suppose I can live with that.

    If you know anything about the game of craps, you probably know that there is a bet called “the field.” It is a sucker bet. The house advantage is more than 5%, as compared with less than 1% on the pass line (taking the odds). I thought that nominating Trump was like betting on the field. But now, the dice are in the air. I want them to come up a winner. I’m rooting for that with all my heart. But that doesn’t mean I am too stupid to realize that there are also losing numbers that could come up.

    Either way, though, at least I get to see the leftists melting down.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:06 AM PST
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  18. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Contributor

    Klank:That’s not what the boss seems to be saying.

    If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    If Trump intends to mend fences with the NeverTrumpers, he’s sure started about it in a funny way.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, or however we perceive Trump as doing or not doing, I think the focus of Susan’s post is on how ordinary Americans relate to each other despite disagreements (past or ongoing) about Trump. In that sense, those who distrust Trump can leave Trump out of it, and focus on rebuilding trust and communication with those who are more enthusiastic about Trump – and vice-versa.

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  19. Publius Inactive

    I wouldn’t assume that those of us who didn’t vote for Trump (or those who reluctantly voted for him, even) are part of “Team Trump” just because we wish him well and recognize that he’s the shot caller now. I don’t plan on being “Team Trump” anymore than I was on being “Team Bush” (either one) even thought I actually voted for them.

    I’m just not big in putting my faith in men. We put entirely too much emphasis on who is President of the United States, it’s served us poorly as a nation, and will continue to do so.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:07 AM PST
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  20. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Klank:That’s not what the boss seems to be saying.

    If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    If Trump intends to mend fences with the NeverTrumpers, he’s sure started about it in a funny way.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, or however we perceive Trump as doing or not doing, I think the focus of Susan’s post is on how ordinary Americans relate to each other despite disagreements (past or ongoing) about Trump. In that sense, those who distrust Trump can leave Trump out of it, and focus on rebuilding trust and communication with those who are more enthusiastic about Trump – and vice-versa.

    Yes, but the problem with Susan’s post is that she still lays the blame for all contentiousness on one side of the equation which is just wrong.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:09 AM PST
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  21. Klank Inactive

    cdor: So do you also criticize Trump for replacing Christie with Vice Pres Elect Mike Pence?

    Yes.

    Christie’s shortcomings and the result of the Bridgegate trials were known to Trump before he appointed Christie to manage the transition. He should have either 1) never appointed him to that role, or 2) kept him on and let him fulfill it. Either one would have been fine by me, but hiring and then firing him from it indicates a failure to think things through that is undesirable. It suggests that Trump perceives loyalty as a one-way street: owed to him by others, not by him to others.

    It also gives rise to the question of whether this was a maneuver engineered by Trump’s son-in-law, who has a family history with Christie (to put it politely), and whether this administration will be tainted and undermined by internal strife; an undesirable situation for reasons that should be self-evident.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:14 AM PST
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  22. She Reagan
    She Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jamie Lockett:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Klank:That’s not what the boss seems to be saying.

    If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    If Trump intends to mend fences with the NeverTrumpers, he’s sure started about it in a funny way.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, or however we perceive Trump as doing or not doing, I think the focus of Susan’s post is on how ordinary Americans relate to each other despite disagreements (past or ongoing) about Trump. In that sense, those who distrust Trump can leave Trump out of it, and focus on rebuilding trust and communication with those who are more enthusiastic about Trump – and vice-versa.

    Yes, but the problem with Susan’s post is that she still lays the blame for all contentiousness on one side of the equation which is just wrong.

    Where do you see her laying the “blame” at all?

    I don’t think blame enters into Susan’s equation at all.

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  23. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    She:

    Jamie Lockett:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Klank:That’s not what the boss seems to be saying.

    If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    If Trump intends to mend fences with the NeverTrumpers, he’s sure started about it in a funny way.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, or however we perceive Trump as doing or not doing, I think the focus of Susan’s post is on how ordinary Americans relate to each other despite disagreements (past or ongoing) about Trump. In that sense, those who distrust Trump can leave Trump out of it, and focus on rebuilding trust and communication with those who are more enthusiastic about Trump – and vice-versa.

    Yes, but the problem with Susan’s post is that she still lays the blame for all contentiousness on one side of the equation which is just wrong.

    Where do you see her laying the “blame” at all?

    I don’t think blame enters into Susan’s equation at all.

    I read both of her posts on this topic and I never saw this kind of line directed at Trumpers:

    Susan Quinn: So, are those of you who have been passionately for Trump willing to disengage when you are taunted by those who choose to antagonize you?

    There’s a lot of blame to go around for the contentious atmosphere around here, I don’t think Trumpers deserve a pass on it, we’ve been called literal traitors. You want us all to move forward and discuss ideas for fixing the country – well both sides need to do a little soul searching and admit to bad behavior.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:19 AM PST
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  24. PHenry Member

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: conversations are not just the OP, but all the comments as well – were quite different from ‘This proves everything I suspected, and I was right about him, and he is the devil we portrayed him to be’.

    The comments were what I meant by ‘conversations’, more than the OP.

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: prompted better understanding of what the alt-right is.

    I also gained an education on the subject.

    But there is a distinct strain of ‘So this proves Trump is ’emboldening’ racists’, don’t you agree?

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:21 AM PST
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  25. NYLibertarianGuy Thatcher
    NYLibertarianGuy Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    No thanks. Your “win” was a pyrrhic victory. Enjoy the feeling of “power” while you can–it will be fleeting.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM PST
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  26. Klank Inactive

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, or however we perceive Trump as doing or not doing, I think the focus of Susan’s post is on how ordinary Americans relate to each other despite disagreements (past or ongoing) about Trump. In that sense, those who distrust Trump can leave Trump out of it, and focus on rebuilding trust and communication with those who are more enthusiastic about Trump – and vice-versa.

    Agreed.

    And, to a certain extent, this will be a self-healing rift: either Trump will lead successfully and implement changes that are beneficial, or he shall fail. If it is the former, all but the most stubborn and obtuse Trump critics will come around. If it is the latter, all but the most stubborn and obtuse of his adherents shall abandon him.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM PST
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  27. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Contributor

    Jamie Lockett: I read both of her posts on this topic and I never saw this kind of line directed at Trumpers:

    Susan Quinn: So, are those of you who have been passionately for Trump willing to disengage when you are taunted by those who choose to antagonize you?

    Do you mean directed at NeverTrumpers, advising them on how to behave when Trump supporters choose to taunt and antagonize?

    In any case, that one OP was a sterner lecture than the other may simply be practical: the goal, I think, is to advocate for changed behavior going forward, not to lay blame.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:24 AM PST
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  28. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Jamie Lockett: I read both of her posts on this topic and I never saw this kind of line directed at Trumpers:

    Susan Quinn: So, are those of you who have been passionately for Trump willing to disengage when you are taunted by those who choose to antagonize you?

    Do you mean directed at NeverTrumpers, advising them on how to behave when Trump supporters choose to taunt and antagonize?

    In any case, that one OP was a sterner lecture than the other may simply be practical: the goal, I think, is to advocate for changed behavior going forward, not to lay blame.

    Until both sides admit to bad behavior no change will occur. You have one side saying “Hey look we were wrong about his chances, we’ll reserve judgment until we see how he does” and they other side saying “You traitorous Vichy wimps” and the problem is that NeverTrumpers are baiting the other side?

    No.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:27 AM PST
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  29. She Reagan
    She Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jamie Lockett:

    She:

    Jamie Lockett:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Klank:That’s not what the boss seems to be saying.

    If anything, Trump is engaging in the sort of score-settling, us-vs.-them, bunker-mentality behavior that bodes poorly for this administration. Mike Rogers gets the heave-ho, merely because his resume had Chris Christie’s fingerprints on it? What a waste.

    If Trump intends to mend fences with the NeverTrumpers, he’s sure started about it in a funny way.

    Whatever Trump does or doesn’t do, or however we perceive Trump as doing or not doing, I think the focus of Susan’s post is on how ordinary Americans relate to each other despite disagreements (past or ongoing) about Trump. In that sense, those who distrust Trump can leave Trump out of it, and focus on rebuilding trust and communication with those who are more enthusiastic about Trump – and vice-versa.

    Yes, but the problem with Susan’s post is that she still lays the blame for all contentiousness on one side of the equation which is just wrong.

    Where do you see her laying the “blame” at all?

    I don’t think blame enters into Susan’s equation at all.

    I read both of her posts on this topic and I never saw this kind of line directed at Trumpers:

    Susan Quinn: So, are those of you who have been passionately for Trump willing to disengage when you are taunted by those who choose to antagonize you?

    There’s a lot of blame to go around for the contentious atmosphere around here, I don’t think Trumpers deserve a pass on it, we’ve been called literal traitors.

    If I disagree with anything in Susan’s current post, it might be her opening statement where she says that in her previous post she “called out the Reluctant and Never Trump people.” I read her previous post as mostly a personal reflection, telling us what she’s going to do, without much “calling out” at all.

    This post is different (Susan couldn’t write a personally reflective post about being a Trump supporter, because she wasn’t one). And she describes what, in her opinion, are the broad categories of thought on the part of Trump supporters, and then asks questions as to whether they are willing to move on from some of them. So I think trying to find exact parallels between the two posts is not really fair.

    You want us all to move forward and discuss ideas for fixing the country – well both sides need to do a little soul searching and admit to bad behavior.

    Not sure who “you” is referring to here, but you’ll get no argument from me on the “both sides need to do . . . .” front. And, although I don’t want to read her mind, I suspect the same is true of Susan.

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:32 AM PST
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  30. PHenry Member

    Jamie Lockett: “You traitorous Vichy wimps”

    man, that Vichy swipe really got to you. Now remember the National Socialist and Caligula stuff, and we might be finding common ground on who insulted who and when?

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    • November 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM PST
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