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  1. rantcan Inactive
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    I recall it was a check to/from Mexico that blew up the CREEP back in Watergate. This makes Nixon look like a piker by comparison. I read that book 20 years ago; memory is dim. I’m hopeful something comes of this; my cynicism tells me nothing will.

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  2. Jamie Lockett Member
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    This is the best video yet IMO. Devastating.

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  3. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    Jamie Lockett:This is the best video yet IMO. Devastating.

    Donald Duck appeared to be the Howard the Duck denouement. I’ve worked on enough forensic investigations and corporate malfeasance cases to get a sense of when the trail is going warm or cold and that Duck didn’t seem to hunt (something Brett Baier noticed the other night on Fox News) but this one feels like I’m back in the good old days.

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  4. Jamie Lockett Member
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    @JamieLockett

    I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

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  5. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Possibly, but if you’re videoed completing an illegal transaction and then return it, especially when you’re associating with convicted fraudsters, I think you’ve attracted the attention of the authorities.

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  6. Columbo Inactive
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    @Columbo

    But … but … but … but …. Trump!

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  7. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Six Days Of The Condor:

    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Possibly, but if you’re videoed completing an illegal transaction and then return it, especially when you’re associating with convicted fraudsters, I think you’ve attracted the attention of the authorities.

    Oh I still think its devastating. They mention the wire transfer from foreign banks numerous times. The point is undercut, not eliminated.

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  8. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
    Six Days Of The Condor
    @Pseudodionysius

    Jamie Lockett:

    Six Days Of The Condor:

    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Possibly, but if you’re videoed completing an illegal transaction and then return it, especially when you’re associating with convicted fraudsters, I think you’ve attracted the attention of the authorities.

    Oh I still think its devastating. They mention the wire transfer from foreign banks numerous times. The point is undercut, not eliminated.

    The bigger worry would be a state or federal investigator muttering “I wonder what the hell else they’ve been doing and who else we don’t know about.”

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  9. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    The indictment alleged Creamer caused a series of insufficiently funded checks and wire transfers to be drawn on accounts he controlled as executive director of the Illinois Public Action Fund. According to the indictment, he allegedly then used the inflated balances to pay the group’s expenses and own salary.

    I would say Bob looks like he’s fallen off the 2005 wagon.

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  10. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    They only returned the money after they were exposed in the first video, so I don’t think that exonerates them at all.

    Unfortunately Schakowsky has no real competition and will glide once again to reelection.

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  11. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    9thDistrictNeighbor:They only returned the money after they were exposed in the first video, so I don’t think that exonerates them at all.

    Unfortunately Schakowsky has no real competition and will glide once again to reelection.

    Sure, but unless you`re Marion Berry snorting coke on VHS or Beta, video of you accepting bags of cash or talking about accepting bags of cash is usually something people can`t “unsee“

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  12. Jamie Lockett Member
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    9thDistrictNeighbor:They only returned the money after they were exposed in the first video, so I don’t think that exonerates them at all.

    Unfortunately Schakowsky has no real competition and will glide once again to reelection.

    Is that the actual timeline?

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  13. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Jamie Lockett:

    9thDistrictNeighbor:They only returned the money after they were exposed in the first video, so I don’t think that exonerates them at all.

    Unfortunately Schakowsky has no real competition and will glide once again to reelection.

    Is that the actual timeline?

    This link to the Project Veritas site has bank transfers and other documentation; this link  contains email correspondence that goes until Oct. 14.

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  14. Skarv Inactive
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    And Hillary is pretending that she wants to reduce the influence of money in politics..

    Great video!

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  15. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    rantcan:I recall it was a check to/from Mexico that blew up the CREEP back in Watergate. This makes Nixon look like a piker by comparison. I read that book 20 years ago; memory is dim. I’m hopeful something comes of this; my cynicism tells me nothing will.

    From HistoryCommons:

    In his discussion with Nixon, Haldeman says that “the FBI is not under control, because Gray doesn’t exactly know how to control them, and they have, their investigation is now leading into some productive areas, because they’ve been able to trace the money… and it goes in some directions we don’t want it to go.” Haldeman also says that the FBI has a witness in Miami who saw film developed from one of the Watergate burglaries (see Mid-June 1972). He tells Nixon that the FBI is not aware yet that the money for the burglars can be traced to Dahlberg, who wrote a $25,000 check that went directly to one of the Watergate burglars. That check is “directly traceable” to the Mexican bank used by the Nixon re-election campaign (CREEP). Haldeman says that he and Ehrlichman should call in both Gray and CIA Director Richard Helms and tell both of them to have their agencies back out of any investigation.

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  16. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Columbo:But … but … but … but …. Trump!

    Naw, forget him. let’s talk about   McMullin.

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  17. Lily Bart Inactive
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  18. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    Tastes like chicken; looks like crow.

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  19. Columbo Inactive
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    Lily Bart:They don’t care – all that matters is the Trump likes to paw women.

    Hillary is a dirty corrupt politician who’s enriched herself selling out this country, exposed our classified information to our enemies to hide things from us, and will likely push single payer healthcare and continue the lawless immigration system – but NONE OF THIS MATTERS because Trump is a pig.

    (That Biden and Bill Clinton like the paw women is irrelevant btw)

    bidendunce

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  20. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Anyone else find their attention span has been made so short by the Internet that they can’t commit to a 17-minute video? (Please tell me I’m not the only one.)

    What’s the tl/dr version?

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  21. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:Anyone else find their attention span has been made so short by the Internet that they can’t commit to a 17-minute video? (Please tell me I’m not the only one.)

    What’s the tl/dr version?

    It doesn’t help that much of this video rehashes content from his previous videos. I don’t want to second guess O’Keefe who is much better at this than I could ever be, but I feel like one video with all the details would have worked better.

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  22. Columbo Inactive
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    @Columbo

    Six Days Of The Condor:

    9thDistrictNeighbor:They only returned the money after they were exposed in the first video, so I don’t think that exonerates them at all.

    Unfortunately Schakowsky has no real competition and will glide once again to reelection.

    Sure, but unless you`re Marion Berry snorting coke on VHS or Beta, video of you accepting bags of cash or talking about accepting bags of cash is usually something people can`t “unsee“

    Main Feed Condor! That attracts extra eyeballs. Well done!

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  23. Judge Mental Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:Anyone else find their attention span has been made so short by the Internet that they can’t commit to a 17-minute video? (Please tell me I’m not the only one.)

    What’s the tl/dr version?

    Kind of buried all the way at the end.  They gave the group a $20k donation (with promise of more) that had all sorts of red flags that was not a legal donation.  One of their other plants (ostensibly the niece of the donor) was immediately given a job.  Later when Brad Woodhouse, head of the group found out they might release videos, he returned the donation because it looked like it might come from a foreign source, something they were previously unconcerned by.

    Cliff notes.

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  24. Eric Hines Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Couple things on that.  One is that you’re right on this; it would seem that returning the money matters, and it does.

    However.

    What did they do with money while they had the float?

    Should Willie Sutton have been absolved had he returned the money?  You’re not making that argument, but watch these guys.

    Eric Hines

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  25. Eric Hines Inactive
    Eric Hines
    @EricHines

    Six Days Of The Condor:

    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Possibly, but if you’re videoed completing an illegal transaction and then return it, especially when you’re associating with convicted fraudsters, I think you’ve attracted the attention of the authorities.

    The authorities attracted here, though, are Loretta Lynch and James Comey.

    Eric Hines

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  26. Jamie Lockett Member
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    @JamieLockett

    Eric Hines:

    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Couple things on that. One is that you’re right on this; it would seem that returning the money matters, and it does.

    However.

    What did they do with money while they had the float?

    Should Willie Sutton have been absolved had he returned the money? You’re not making that argument, but watch these guys.

    Eric Hines

    Hey, I think the fact that they took the money in the first place is damning enough, but depending on the timeline involved either someone knew this was a plant and was going to hurt them politically, or someone whose job it is to review these transactions did the right thing. I think that matters. The problem is that O’Keefe ends the video with innuendo instead of laying out the facts of the timeline – that undercuts his overall journalistic message.

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  27. Judge Mental Member
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    @JudgeMental

    They made a particular point on the ‘niece’ getting hired, while I assume that sort of thing happens all the time.  I’m wondering if she figures in an upcoming video, based on access that the internship produced.

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  28. Eric Hines Inactive
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    @EricHines

    Jamie Lockett:

    Eric Hines:

    Jamie Lockett:I think the final point of the video is undercut a bit by the fact that they returned the money. I mean in the end the campaign did the right thing didn’t they?

    Couple things on that. One is that you’re right on this; it would seem that returning the money matters, and it does.

    However.

    What did they do with money while they had the float?

    Should Willie Sutton have been absolved had he returned the money? You’re not making that argument, but watch these guys.

    Eric Hines

    Hey, I think the fact that they took the money in the first place is damning enough, but depending on the timeline involved either someone knew this was a plant and was going to hurt them politically, or someone whose job it is to review these transactions did the right thing. I think that matters. The problem is that O’Keefe ends the video with innuendo instead of laying out the facts of the timeline – that undercuts his overall journalistic message.

    That’s part of restitution, and it’s worth considering seriously at sentencing time.  It’s not, though, relevant to the commission of the crime (assuming arguendo that crime this is).  Assume that someone whose job it is to review these transactions did the right thing.  That’s good for him, and he should not be punished.  But the organization, and its principles, still did the proximate deed, without which this individual need never have interceded.

    Eric Hines

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  29. Six Days Of The Condor Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    “Do you believe the Creamer is an endangered species?”

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  30. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:Anyone else find their attention span has been made so short by the Internet that they can’t commit to a 17-minute video? (Please tell me I’m not the only one.)

    What’s the tl/dr version?

    This is what I could quickly piece together as the significant points:

    1. Money ($20k) was wired to Belize Sept. 9th.
    2. Proposal to get further monies to fund activities in Wisconsin by Voces de la Frontera from “Charles Roth” in Sept. 28 memo.
    3. Intern on board by Sept. 28.
    4. Project Veritas files complaint against Hillary for America with FEC October 19.
    5. Monies returned via wire transfer October 20.

    I think this came out as separate videos for several reasons: suspense, not wanting to blow their cover, gather material for FEC complaint, and they seem to be editing on the fly. From the ending of this video, there is more to come.

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