A Path for Catholics to Dump the Democratic Party

 

chaputHe’s not warm and fuzzy. He’s closed or combined enough Philadelphia churches and parochial schools (in order to pay church debts) to earn resentment from some of the local faithful. And I suspect he’s no favorite of Pope Francis, since he was rather glaringly overlooked by the Pope in the latest round of elevations to Cardinal. But Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has laid out a path for Catholics to turn away from the Democratic Party. Can we all agree that would be a good thing?

About those unthinking, backward Catholics

 

By Archbishop Charles Chaput, O.F.M. Cap. • Posted October 13, 2016

Back in 2008, in the weeks leading up to the Obama-McCain presidential election, two young men visited me in Denver. They were from Catholics United, a group describing itself as committed to social justice issues. They voiced great concern at the manipulative skill of Catholic agents for the Republican Party. And they hoped my brother bishops and I would resist identifying the Church with single-issue and partisan (read: abortion) politics.

It was an interesting experience. Both men were obvious flacks for the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party — creatures of a political machine, not men of the Church; less concerned with Catholic teaching than with its influence. And presumably (for them) bishops were dumb enough to be used as tools, or at least prevented from helping the other side.

Yet these two young men not only equaled but surpassed their Republican cousins in the talents of servile partisan hustling.Thanks to their work, and activists like them, American Catholics helped to elect an administration that has been the most stubbornly unfriendly to religious believers, institutions, concerns and liberty in generations.

I never saw either young man again. The cultural damage done by the current White House has — apparently — made courting America’s bishops unnecessary.

But bad can always get worse. I’m thinking, of course, of the contemptuously anti-Catholic emails exchanged among members of the Clinton Democratic presidential campaign team and released this week by WikiLeaks. A sample: Sandy Newman,president of Voices for Progress, emailed John Podesta, now the head of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, to ask about whether “the bishops opposing contraceptive coverage” could be the tinder for a revolution. “There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages [sic] dictatorship,” Newman writes.

Of course, Newman added, “this idea may just reveal my total lack of understanding of the Catholic church, the economic power it can bring to bear against nuns and priests who count on it for their maintenance.” Still, he wondered, how would one “plant the seeds of a revolution”? John Podesta replied that “We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this . . . likewise Catholics United” (emphasis added).

Another Clinton-related email, from John Halpin of the Center for American Progress, mocks Catholics in the so-called conservative movement, especially converts: “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations and must be totally unaware of Christian democracy.” In a follow-up, he adds “They can throw around ‘Thomistic’ thought and ‘subsidiarity’ and sound sophisticated because no one knows what . . . they’re talking about.”

On the evening these WikiLeaks emails were released, I received the following angry email myself, this one from a nationally respected (non-Catholic) attorney experienced in Church-state affairs:

“I was deeply offended by the [Clinton team] emails, which are some of the worst bigotry by a political machine I have seen. [A] Church has an absolute right to protect itself when under attack as a faith and Church by civil political forces. That certainly applies here …

“Over the last eight years there has been strong evidence that the current administration, with which these people share values, has been very hostile to religious organizations. Now there is clear proof that this approach is deliberate and will accelerate if these actors have any continuing, let alone louder, say in government.

“These bigots are actively strategizing how to shape Catholicism not to be Catholic or consistent with Jesus’ teachings, but to be the ‘religion’ they want. They are, at the very core, trying to turn religion to their secular view of right and wrong consistent with their politics.  This is fundamentally why the Founders left England and demanded that government not have any voice in religion. Look where we are now. We have political actors trying to orchestrate a coup to destroy Catholic values, and they even analogize their takeover to a coup in the Middle East, which amplifies their bigotry and hatred of the Church. I had hoped I would never see this day  a day like so many dark days in Eastern Europe that led to the death of my [Protestant minister] great grandfather at the hands of communists who also hated and wanted to destroy religion.”

Of course it would be wonderful for the Clinton campaign to repudiate the content of these ugly WikiLeaks emails. All of us backward-thinking Catholics who actually believe what Scripture and the Church teach would be so very grateful.

In the meantime, a friend describes the choice facing voters in November this way: A vulgar, boorish lout and disrespecter of women, with a serious impulse control problem; or a scheming, robotic liar with a lifelong appetite for power and an entourage riddled with anti-Catholic bigots.

In a nation where “choice” is now the unofficial state religion, the menu for dinner is remarkably small.

He even put this on Facebook, God bless him. He obviously does not see Trump in any way as a savior of the country, but he sees clearly what the Democratic party leaders are.

Catholic Bishops around the country, and other religious leaders, should follow this lead.

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  1. Columbo Member

    “In the meantime, a friend describes the choice facing voters in November this way: A vulgar, boorish lout and disrespecter of women, with a serious impulse control problem; or a scheming, robotic liar with a lifelong appetite for power and an entourage riddled with anti-Catholic bigots”.

    I’ll take the vulgar, boorish lout for $1,000 Alex.

    Thank you Archbishop Chaput for making this “choice” so clear for American Catholics.

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  2. Front Seat Cat Member

    This is so important and as tough as it is to vote for Trump, the bigger picture behind the other side is much more destructive to American values, as well as throughout the world. The vengeance coming out in the election season is not surprising, given the deep entrenchment of “progressive” policy, and will not let go without an all out war. The long term (and even short term) consequences of allowing their agenda to continue is without a doubt, a game-changer for freedom. Thank you for ringing the bell – you are a watchman on the wall. I hope that conservatives, the faithful, and believers of truth will take heed.

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    • October 14, 2016, at 7:34 AM PDT
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  3. Pencilvania Inactive
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    I’ll tell you, the Archbishop is pretty courageous in writing this. Philly’s mayor is a wannabe-deBlasio, this will not be received well in City Hall. But our area is laden with Catholics who, through ignorance or family habit, vote Democrat. To see a punch to the nose of the entire party here is, well, almost a miracle.

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    • October 14, 2016, at 7:40 AM PDT
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  4. Columbo Member

    Archbishop Chaput has been one of the “good guys” for quite a long time. He was the Bishop in Denver at the time of the Columbine tragedy. His testimony in the U.S. Senate about that event and our culture was very good …

    http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/after-the-tragedy-at-columbine-high.html

    When the most dangerous place in the country is a mother’s womb and the unborn child can have his or her head crushed in an abortion, even in the process of being born, the body language of that message is that life isn’t sacred and may not be worth much at all. In fact, certain kinds of killing no longer even count officially as “killing.” Certain kinds of killing we enshrine as rights and protect by law. When we live this kind of contradiction, why are we surprised at the results?

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  5. Profile Photo Member

    I am feeling mischievous so I would change the word in the title of this thread from “Dump” to “Abort”.

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    • October 14, 2016, at 8:03 AM PDT
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  6. RightAngles Member

    My blood ran cold when I read the Podesta emails. Finally, we have proof in writing of their nefarious methods. I can’t say I was surprised to read that he’d created that organization for the express purpose of destroying the Church, but it was still so jarring. I hope this is widely disseminated, but I don’t think it will be. It will be deleted from Facebook and YouTube, will appear on page 83 in Google searches, and will never be reported by the MSM.

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    • October 14, 2016, at 8:05 AM PDT
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  7. Aaron Miller Member

    It’s hard to get excited about outsiders trying to corrupt the Church while so many insiders try as well.

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    • October 14, 2016, at 8:06 AM PDT
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  8. Columbo Member

    RightAngles:My blood ran cold when I read the Podesta emails. Finally, we have proof in writing of their nefarious methods. I can’t say I was surprised to read that he’d created that organization for the express purpose of destroying the Church, but it was still so jarring. I hope this is widely disseminated, but I don’t think it will be. It will be deleted from Facebook and YouTube, will appear on page 83 in Google searches, and will never be reported by the MSM.

    Just a quick aside, and I know there are many search engines, but I “googled” (in error) for the Senate testimony on Columbine by Bishop (at the time) Chaput that I linked above, but stopped and didn’t comb through all the pages to find it when it didn’t appear in the first 5 pages. I “binged” it, and it was in page 1 (but still not at the top).

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    • October 14, 2016, at 8:09 AM PDT
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  9. Columbo Member

    Aaron Miller:It’s hard to get excited about outsiders trying to corrupt the Church while so many insiders try as well.

    Using that rationale, the other eleven disciples should have given up too when Judas betrayed Jesus.

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  10. KC Mulville Inactive

    Flip Wilson used to do a comedy routine where he was a preacher in the Church of What’s Happening Now. Reminds me of these fools. They betray their doctrine that ‘religion’ is nothing but a collection of approved attitudes, and they take for granted that the attitudes that are approved at the moment must be superior.

    The Catholic Church is not just another organization trying to promote a set of attitudes. It’s a church that is charged with the responsibility to preserve and explain the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    No one would expect a “Society for the Preservation of Plato” to abandon Plato. Such a group would only have authority because they faithfully repeated what Plato taught, not their own views.

    What Podesta and his fellow shallow political idiots don’t grasp is that the Catholic Church isn’t a middle ages organization. We’re quite proud to go back much farther than that, back to Galilee and Jerusalem. We don’t want to reflect the attitudes of medieval men; we want to reflect the attitudes of one man, born two thousand years ago.

    Calling a set of moral values ‘contemporary’ really isn’t a compliment.

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  11. Mate De Inactive

    Aaron Miller:It’s hard to get excited about outsiders trying to corrupt the Church while so many insiders try as well.

    The mainstream Protestants have this problem too. I think it is something about human nature to love your faith so much that you want to change it to conform to you rather then the other way around.

    I’m happy to see a Bishop write something like this. I would like to see more push back from American Bishops about perserving Religious Liberty. I think all religious people (and non religious allies) need to come together on this issue to defeat the left.

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    • October 14, 2016, at 8:27 AM PDT
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  12. Austin Murrey Inactive

    Mate De: I think it is something about human nature to love your faith so much that you want to change it to conform to you rather than the other way around.

    Wouldn’t that be loving yourself so much or your faith so little?

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  13. Mate De Inactive

    Austin Murrey:

    Mate De: I think it is something about human nature to love your faith so much that you want to change it to conform to you rather than the other way around.

    Wouldn’t that be loving yourself so much or your faith so little?

    That is a better way of putting it. It’s the selfishness of humanity. They love the parts of their faith that work for them but the hard stuff (you know the stuff we need God for) that needs to change.

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  14. Front Seat Cat Member

    10 cents:I am feeling mischievous so I would change the word in the title of this thread from “Dump” to “Abort”.

    Yes Perfect

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  15. Front Seat Cat Member

    Mate De:

    Austin Murrey:

    Mate De: I think it is something about human nature to love your faith so much that you want to change it to conform to you rather than the other way around.

    Wouldn’t that be loving yourself so much or your faith so little?

    That is a better way of putting it. It’s the selfishness of humanity. They love the parts of their faith that work for them but the hard stuff (you know the stuff we need God for) that needs to change.

    There are entire congregations (and a few) denominations that have done this – they leave out the non-politically correct and therefore, are not shepherds – they’re letting the sheep fall over the cliff.

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  16. Nanda "Chaps" Panjan… Inactive

    Pen, we need the USCCB to “come clean” about its alliance to Dems going back to “community organizing” w/Saul Alinsky and Michael Phleger in the 1970s – and the “Campaign for Human Development” collection that’s been a smokescreen for groups like ACORN for ages…I’m incensed that our local ordinary won’t allow the national collection (once every 2-3 years) for the Archdiocese for the Military Services; sickening…The bishops need to get their priorities straight…Abp. Chaput is our metropolitan where I am. He is one of too few…

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    Nanda, I just sent an email full of gratitude, to the Abp’s secretary – [email protected] – asking him to convey my support & prayers for him. I think they should hear from us!

    I didn’t even know about the Archd for the Military – I’m on their site now & will make a donation!!

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  18. Nanda "Chaps" Panjan… Inactive

    Pencilvania:Nanda, I just sent an email full of gratitude, to the Abp’s secretary – [email protected] – asking him to convey my support & prayers for him. I think they should hear from us!

    I didn’t even know about the Archd for the Military – I’m on their site now & will make a donation!!

    Thanks, Pen! The AMS gets no govt. support – and can’t solicit from its ‘parishioners’, either…I try to donate monthly. My retired mil. pastor is gonna put a basket on a table: “In support of our parishioners serving…” on the weekend of 11/5-6/16. (the designated weekend for the official collection).

    (It’s http://www.milarch.org/ for those interested.)

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  19. Aaron Miller Member

    Who said anything about giving up? I was pointing out that we already had internal community battles.

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  20. Nanda "Chaps" Panjan… Inactive

    Aaron Miller:It’s hard to get excited about outsiders trying to corrupt the Church while so many insiders try as well.

    Is “Ah, ’tis ever thus…” an acceptable strategy? The local, internal strife is a symptom…We’re a hierarchical bunch…Top-down starts with bottom-up. We may not have influence overseas, but we sure as all get-out do here…With the rosary and the wallet…That is all…

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  21. Nanda "Chaps" Panjan… Inactive

    Mate De: more push back from American Bishops

    …Who’re largely left-leaning (and have been since the late-1960s/early 1970s)? Godspeed with that…Attrition may solve this, at some point, though…

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  22. M1919A4 Member

    This may be information that some do not know. It put the comments in the OP in perspective for me. Bravo, Archbishop!


    WikiLeaks: Podesta and Left-Wing Activist Plot ‘Catholic Spring’

    Longtime Clinton confidante discussed infiltrating the Catholic Church with progressive ideology to foment revolution

    by Edmund Kozak | Updated 12 Oct 2016 at 2:03 PM

    A newly leaked email shows Hillary Clinton’s current campaign chairman John Podesta and a Left-wing activist casually discussing fomenting “revolution” in the Catholic Church.

    “There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic Church,” Sandy Newman, president and founder of the progressive nonprofit Voices for Progress, writes to Podesta in an email titled “opening for a Catholic Spring? just musing.”

    “There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic Church.”

    The emails were leaked in the third round of releases of Podesta’s emails by WikiLeaks.

    Newman, who is Jewish, admits he does not know much about the Catholic Church and isn’t volunteering personally to subvert Catholic teachings. “Even if the idea isn’t crazy, I don’t qualify to be involved and I have not thought at all about how one would ‘plant the seeds of the revolution,’ or who would plant them.”

    In response, Podesta assures Newman to rest easy for he and his progressive pals have already created organizations explicitly designed to infiltrate the Catholic Church with progressive ideology, though he cautions that the time may not be right for full revolution — just yet.

    “We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up,” Podesta writes.

    The conversation further reveals the contempt with which radical progressives view Catholics and the Catholic Church. On Monday, WikiLeaks published an email showing Democratic operatives mocking conservative Catholics.

    A scholar at the Left-wing Center for American Progress emailed Podesta in 2011 bashing then-Fox News CEO Roger Ailes for his Catholic Faith.

    “It’s an amazing bastardization of the faith,” John Halpin wrote to Podesta, and Jennifer Palmieri, now the communications director of the Clinton campaign. “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations and must be totally unaware of Christian democracy.”

    Palmieri, agreed.

    “I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable politically conservative religion,” she wrote. “Their rich friends wouldn’t understand if they became evangelicals.”

    http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wikileaks-podesta-left-wing-activist-plot-catholic-spring/

    Related:

    PoliZette

    New York Times Gave Hillary Veto Power
    WikiLeaks emails show reporter agreed to let Clinton campaign cut quotes before story ran

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  23. Umbra Fractus Inactive

    KC Mulville: What Podesta and his fellow shallow political idiots don’t grasp is that the Catholic Church isn’t a middle ages organization. We’re quite proud to go back much farther than that, back to Galilee and Jerusalem. We don’t want to reflect the attitudes of medieval men; we want to reflect the attitudes of one man, born two thousand years ago.

    Progressives in general don’t understand what religion is. They think it’s just hobby; they think the Bible is just another book. They truly don’t understand why we can’t just get with the program, because to them it sounds like the Brothers Grimm told us abortion was evil.

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  24. Timothy Coleen Member

    I’m reminded that the start of Bishop Barron’s Catholicism DVD series is on Vatican Hill, looking down at the Coliseum. He mentions that the Romans, at the time of Christ the most powerful politicians on Earth, thought that they could easily corrupt the Catholic Church and quash it. And now 2,000 years later Vatican City is going strong and the Romans have been in the dustbin of history for 1,500 years.

    The hubris of Hillary Clinton to think that she can corrupt and destroy a church that has withstood 2,000 years of potential corruption from without and within!

    I’m glad that the gig is up in terms the lid being lifted to let faithful Catholics know that those who want to crush the Church or ferment rebellion or revolution are well funded by atheists of the most progressive order.

    I’m a convert and I’m never more proud to be Catholic than when I hear how much the enemies of the Church despise her.

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  25. Umbra Fractus Inactive

    Timothy Coleen: I’m a convert and I’m never more proud to be Catholic than when I hear how much the enemies of the Church despise her.

    Remember this next time someone tells you the church is irrelevant. :)

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  26. Doug Watt Member

    The holier than thou apostates, Podesta, Palmieri, Pelosi, Biden, and Kaine seek a National church that is subordinate to the state and the Democrat Party in particular. All Catholics, each of them, and in a state of grave sin for their views on abortion and engaging in scandal to mislead Catholics in the US. They have excommunicated themselves for their cooperation with Planned Parenthood in murdering the innocent. Catholics that vote Democrat engage in cooperating with an intrinsic evil and will someday have to answer for their vote. Who was I to judge will not be a defense when standing before the Eternal Judge.

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  27. M1919A4 Member

    Doug Watt: The holier than thou apostates, Podesta, Palmieri, Pelosi, Biden, and Kaine seek a National church that is subordinate to the state and the Democrat Party in particular.


    That sounds quite familiar to me. Here is the Wikipedia account of what happened in another State:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reich_Church

    On 16 July 1935, Hanns Kerrl was appointed Reichsminister for Church Affairs, a newly created department.[4] He started negotiations to find a compromise and dropped the extreme German Christians, trying to win moderate Confessing Christians and respected neutrals. On 24 September 1935, a new law empowered Kerrl to legislate by way of ordinances within the German Evangelical Church, circumventing any synodal autonomy.[5]

    Kerrl managed to gain the very respected Wilhelm Zoellner (a Lutheran, until 1931 General Superintendent of the old-Prussian ecclesiastical province of Westphalia) to form the Reich’s Ecclesiastical Committee (Reichskirchenausschuss, RKA) on 3 October 1935, combining the neutral and moderate groups to reconcile the disputing church parties. The official German Evangelical Church became subordinate to the new bureaucracy, and Müller lost power but still retained the now meaningless titles of German Reich’s Bishop and old-Prussian State Bishop.

    In November, Kerrl decreed the parallel institutions of the Confessing Church were to be dissolved, a move which was protested and ignored by Confessing Church leaders. On 19 December Kerrl issued a decree which forbade all kinds of Confessing Church activities, namely appointments of pastors, education, examinations, ordinations, ecclesiastical visitations, announcements and declarations from the pulpit, separate financial structures and convening Synods of Confession; further the decree established provincial ecclesiastical committees.[6] Thus, the brethren councils had to go into hiding, and Kerrl successfully wedged the Confessing Church.

    The Gestapo increased its suppression, undermining the readiness for compromises among the Confessing Church. Zoellner concluded that this made his reconciliatory work impossible and criticised the Gestapo activities. He resigned on 2 February 1937, paralysing the Ecclesiastical Committee which lost all recognition among the opposition.[7] Kerrl now subjected Müller’s chancery of the German Evangelical Church directly to his ministry and the national, provincial and state ecclesiastical committees were soon after dissolved.[8]

    Thus proceeds tyranny!

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  28. Pencilvania Inactive
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    M1919A4: Thus proceeds tyranny!

    understood – but deeply ‘not like.’

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  29. Doug Watt Member

    History repeats itself, from the encyclical MIT BRENNENDER SORGE attributed to Pope Pius XI, but probably written by the future Pope Pius XII. The encyclical was written in German and smuggled into Germany and read from the pulpits of Catholic churches in 1937. It led to the closing of Catholic publishing houses and the arrest by the Gestapo of anyone who was in possession of, or distributing copies of this encyclical:

    8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

    Just another example of pseudo-sophisticated Catholic thought from a Church that has seen empires rise and fall over a 2,000 year span. I know as do many of you who the real pseudo-sophisticates are.

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  30. Muleskinner, Weasel Wrangler Member

    Will the Catholic #NeverTrumpers at NR be moved by this?

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