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Via Reason’s Peter Suderman, several ObamaCare state individual insurance exchanges are hiking rates to stave-off disaster. But is Clinton being held accountable for the president’s signature legislation?

As Byron York reports today, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president and the standard bearer not only for her party but for defense of the health care law, has mentioned Obamacare just once in the course of sixteen speeches delivered over the last month—and that was only when President Obama was in the room. Clinton’s silence is telling. Crucial elements of Obamacare are on teetering on the brink of collapse, and the only solutions that its backers have on offer involve spending more public money and giving the government even greater power over health coverage and care. Is it any surprise she doesn’t want to talk about it?

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  1. KC Mulville Inactive

    Hillary wants to lecture us about Trump exploiting corporate giveaways to the wealthy. But what is Obamacare, if not a corporate giveaway to insurance companies, which she exploits politically?

    Still waiting for the media to pounce upon Hillary’s glaring hypocrisy. It’ll happen anytime now.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 6:04 AM PDT
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  2. Spin Inactive
    SpinJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It is all part of the plan, is it not?

    “Health Care” was not so bad for most Americans before Obamacare. At least 4 million Americans lost their coverage under the law, and some who didn’t have coverage got it after the law was passed. Those who didn’t have it before and didn’t want it after didn’t buy it. And they were the “ones we were waiting” for, right? To cover the costs? Meanwhile, those of us who liked our insurance and kept it (let’s be real, no one likes insurance) have still seen our premiums rise and our costs at the doctor go up, meaning the net out of pocket has increased. And now they come a-knockin’ for more money to placate the insurance companies.

    So…”Health Care” is in worse shape today than it was before the ACA, which will lead to further steps toward government control and administration, meaning more unelected bureaucrats running things and more money spent and less freedom. Which is the goal.

    It’s the circle of life, man. The circle of life!

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    • October 4, 2016, at 6:24 AM PDT
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  3. OkieSailor Member
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    It’s going exactly as us “undesirables” predicted before the bill was passed-so we could see what was in it. And it WILL get even worse, grab your wallets, folks. The dirty little secret is: no plan can guarantee absolute complete medical care including the latest and greatest to everyone, there simply isn’t enough money to give everyone everything, medically or otherwise. So there will be some form of ‘rationing’ no matter what the approach is, either market-based or bureaucratic. But if/when the bureaucrats are given control, the prices will skyrocket plus access will be increasingly dependent on ‘connections’ such as what group do you belong to, who do you know, etc. No politician can change this any more than they could repeal Gravity.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:55 AM PDT
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  4. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive

    Spin: “Health Care” was not so bad for most Americans before Obamacare.

    I never used much of it until recently, and my experience with it is that the third party payer system is a complete racket and sham. Ocare only made it worse by trying to enlarge the pool of money and provide more reasons for it to be dipped into. An example would be the cushions for my CPAP mask. The thing has to be replaced about once a month, and I can buy it retail all day for $45. The other route I can go to have the third party chip in, the retailer gets $67 (about 150% of retail), but my cost is only $10. It’s a good deal for me, a good deal for them, but not a good deal for someone who might need the insurance company to cover the cost of something big when the insurance company has blown all the money on crap like this and “free” birth control pills.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:56 AM PDT
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  5. The (apathetic) King Prawn Inactive

    OkieSailor: there simply isn’t enough money to give everyone everything, medically or otherwise

    There’s probably a post in it somewhere, but I often wonder if enough income/wealth exists for the socialist dreamstate of everyone being comfortable. I don’t know that there is, and there’s something fulfilling about starting on the lower rungs of society and working one’s way up.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 7:59 AM PDT
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  6. Old Bathos Moderator

    Hillary has already offered the theory that Bush-era tax cuts caused the financial meltdown in 2008. Why not double down and blame the Obamacare meltdown on greed? Obama has already claimed it is the fault of the GOP Congress for not fixing it. (Talk about chutzpah!)

    My guess is that she has a memorized class-warfare answer if and when the question about Obamacare finally comes up.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 9:24 AM PDT
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  7. Front Seat Cat Member

    She was the one that started the idea of universal healthcare – it is her plan – orchestrated by Obama. Now she sees how it went. She will continue it but find ways to talk around the problems. I just had a routine screening at a local hospital – it was not covered; I just get a reduced rate. All the hospital personnel said the insurance is a mess. Trump has his faults – no question. Hillary however, is following the Saul Alinsky playbook since she graduated college. She will be Obama times ten.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 9:38 AM PDT
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  8. aardo vozz Member

    Spin:So…”Health Care” is in worse shape today than it was before the ACA, which will lead to further steps toward government control and administration, meaning more unelected bureaucrats running things and more money spent and less freedom. Which is the goal.

    It’s the circle of life, man. The circle of life!

    It’s a circle alright, but more like the ninth circle of Hell in Dante’s Inferno. It might resemble another kind of circle, say, of the code-of-conduct violation kind, but I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder.

    P.S. Is there a possibility that predictive text went wrong and you meant to say “circus of life”?:)

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    • October 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM PDT
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  9. Spin Inactive
    SpinJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Check out Bill Clinton calling Obamacare “…the craziest thing in the world…

    You’ll notice his solution is of course the gubmunt.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 3:13 PM PDT
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  10. Spin Inactive
    SpinJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The King Prawn:

    Spin: “Health Care” was not so bad for most Americans before Obamacare.

    I never used much of it until recently, and my experience with it is that the third party payer system is a complete racket and sham. Ocare only made it worse by trying to enlarge the pool of money and provide more reasons for it to be dipped into. An example would be the cushions for my CPAP mask. The thing has to be replaced about once a month, and I can buy it retail all day for $45. The other route I can go to have the third party chip in, the retailer gets $67 (about 150% of retail), but my cost is only $10. It’s a good deal for me, a good deal for them, but not a good deal for someone who might need the insurance company to cover the cost of something big when the insurance company has blown all the money on crap like this and “free” birth control pills.

    At that point it isn’t really insurance any more, is it? I mean if you are buying a “policy” that pays for the stuff you know you need, then it’s a maintenance plan, not an insurance policy. Insurance only works as insurance when everyone pays a bit in, hoping they never have to take out. If you insured your car the way you insured your body, it’d be outrageous too. And risk pools then mean nothing.

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    • October 4, 2016, at 3:19 PM PDT
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  11. OkieSailor Member
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    The King Prawn:

    OkieSailor: there simply isn’t enough money to give everyone everything, medically or otherwise

    There’s probably a post in it somewhere, but I often wonder if enough income/wealth exists for the socialist dreamstate of everyone being comfortable. I don’t know that there is, and there’s something fulfilling about starting on the lower rungs of society and working one’s way up.

    No “enough” doesn’t exist for several reasons one being that wealth is transient. It is continuously consumed so has to be continuously created to sustain our affluent lifestyles. In other words productivity is key and socialism in all forms degrades productivity over time. Both by the producers and leeches (most of us are both part or all of the time).
    Wealth isn’t just natural resources, it’s mostly what is done with those resources. A tree has intrinsic value but a fine cabinet has a great deal more value; that’s wealth creation. So is a good crop of wheat, corn, potatoes, etc. Or any desk job that increases productivity of tangibles or improves their usefulness, etc. Socialism removes the incentive to be as productive as possible when the safety net becomes a hammock. Hence, Venezuela. http://www.ozy.com

    /pov/venezuelas-mess-and-what-it-means-for-socialism/68802

    We’re a long way from there but headed in that direction, it’s time to turn the ship around if that can still be done.

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    • October 5, 2016, at 3:09 AM PDT
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