What if he Actually Wins?

 

One of the constants of the political coverage this last year has been “Donald Trump cannot win because… ” Anyone who offered a scenario contrary to the cited “because” was self-delusional, a wishful thinker, or just plain stupid. And through it all, Trump just kept advancing, advancing, and advancing right through to the nomination. The conventional wisdom may still hold and he may yet lose in a landslide in November. But what if he does win? What if the conventional wisdom is actually a conventional delusion?

There will be plenty of theories to be sure. It was a year of historically horrible candidates. The vote was too fractured. Too many of this or that faction stayed home. Too many of this or that faction showed up. But like the financial commercials say, past results should never be seen as a guarantee of future returns.

In all honesty, I don’t think anyone knows. Circumstances constantly change. There were newspaper-only elections, radio elections, television elections and, now, internet and social media elections. In 1896, the winning candidate never left his house. In my lifetime alone, three major “that’ll never happen” presidents happened: We elected a Catholic, a divorced man, and a non-white.

The truth is that every election is unique and the circumstances that align the electorate are hard to repeat or predict. I don’t know what kind of president Donald Trump would make, I only know that if he gets a chance to show it, there’s a lot of people who make their living professing to know how to win elections are going to look unconventionally stupid.

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  1. Viator Inactive
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    Fred Cole: I’d be very interested in reading

    Brittany Warner, communications director for the Ohio Republican Party and director for the Ohio House campaign in 2014, said Democrats have had money issues and recruitment problems because of the strong majorities the GOP has in the Ohio House and Senate.

    The GOP has a near supermajority in the Ohio House of 65 out of 99 seats. The Ohio GOP has a Senate supermajority of 23 of 33 seats.

    Warner said despite all the Democratic money flowing into Ohio, it cannot likely help the legislative races, as the Democrats have a weaker political infrastructure. The biggest help for down-ballot Democrats and Republicans in Ohio is the turnout the presidential race cranks out, Warner said.

    As for Trump’s effect down-ballot, Warner said it’s likely helping the GOP. According to the Ohio secretary of state’s office, since the March presidential primaries, more than 1 million Ohio voters have gone from unaffiliated, or Democratic, to Republican. Of that number, 115,000 were Democrats jumping ship.

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  2. TeamAmerica Member
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    @fredcole– Here is a link: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/18/more-democrats-crossed-over-to-vote-republican-in-ohio-primary.html

    Here are several more- https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=Ohio+Secretary+of+State+switched+registration+to+Republican&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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  3. Viator Inactive
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    Take Georgia, Iowa, and Arizona – Trump is ahead in all three. Hillary has never led or was approximately tied.  – 33 EVs

    Take Ohio, Hillary once led, now polls all Trump –  18 EV

    Take Florida, Hillary once led, now all Trump –  29 EV

    Total 243 EV, Maine +1 Trump min, Nebraska +4 Trump, total 248 (that’s 22 from the brass ring folks)

    States with Trump Trend – Virginia, NH, Wisconsin, Michigan, (that 43 EV folks)

    I know the some people would like to hold those moldy old March polls close to their hearts. Have at it.

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  4. TKC1101 Member
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    Fred Cole: My problem is that I don’t think it’s connected to reality.

    Good Fred. My opinion is based on entrepreneurs, investors and seeing small business owners every day. I concede it is a poor source compared to some scribbler at a non profit magazine in DC who just learned to shave, but on what do you form your opinion?

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  5. Viator Inactive
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    Let’s see how the “winners” are doing.

    “Meanwhile the Clinton camp is also calling out the “fanatical attitude” of the press in their coverage of Hillary’s “medical episode” on Sunday…something they say “most politicians” would “get a pass on.”

    “There’s a near fanatical attitude amongst the press over anything having to do with Hillary Clinton that most politicians get a pass on,” one Clinton ally told The Hill.

    “Some of this is because their bosses are desperate to create a 50-50 race because that drives more clicks, and some are terrified of right-wing accusations of bias. This is where false equivalency comes from and it’s helping to keep Trump in
    the race.”

    Finally, we would note that while the Clinton campaign struggles to point out a pro-Trump bias in the media (as laughable as that may be) the only factual evidence we have of a political party attempting to “collude” with the media comes from the DNC’s own emails.  A fact which we previously pointed out in a post entitled “Leaked DNC Emails Confirm Democrats Rigged Primary, Reveal Extensive Media Collusion.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-14/left-whines-biased-press-hurting-hillary-thats-not-joke-theyre-actually-serious

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  6. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    TKC1101:

    Fred Cole: My problem is that I don’t think it’s connected to reality.

    Good Fred. My opinion is based on entrepreneurs, investors and seeing small business owners every day. I concede it is a poor source compared to some scribbler at a non profit magazine in DC who just learned to shave, but on what do you form your opinion?

    You forgot to put a plug in for Harry’s.

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  7. TKC1101 Member
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    Pseudodionysius: You forgot to put a plug in for Harry’s.

    I’m a single blade and soap and brush guy. Harrys is too new fangled.

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  8. Martel Inactive
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    goldwaterwoman:

    DocJay: One more reason to hide if Hillary wins. I won’t feel like chatting with those who pushed her corpse across the finish line and 90% of the staff here is rooting for her for a variety of reasons.

    Right on.

    Not “rooting for her”, “rooting against him”.

    You may not be able to tell the difference, but to a lot of people here the difference is enormous.  You see, in the latter case they’d be rooting Hillary to be sworn in on Inauguration Day, and if they get their way in the latter case, Hillary would be sworn in on Inauguration Day.

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  9. Viator Inactive
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    I expect there may be more states in play this cycle. My two long shot favorites right now are Rhode Island and New Jersey.

    Rhode Island – Obama won this state by 27.5 %. Hillary leads by +3

    New Jersey –  Obama won this state by 18%, Hillary leads by +12.5 but there was a +21 Hillary poll in June (or about 1,000 years ago). The last poll was Hillary +4

    But no one can tell what a cornered Democrat Party and it’s allies might do. November 8th is a long time away. On the other hand Trump has unearthed some unexpected allies. Everybody loves a winner and a seat on their bandwagon.

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  10. Fred Cole Inactive
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    TKC1101: Good Fred. My opinion is based on entrepreneurs, investors and seeing small business owners every day.

    Oh. Are they eager for paid maternity leave? Are they looking forward to the economic disruption of mass deportations? Are they excited to have foreign trade shut down?

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  11. Martel Inactive
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    Keith SF:

    TKC1101:

    James Lileks: Good points. I’m still unconvinced that ceding the Left’s arguments and adopting their pet projects allows us to make a contrary argument down the road, but we’ll see.

    A valid concern that I share. But, you take the citizenry you have, get their votes and move forward the best you can. If you produce general prosperity, you are one of the greats. If you do not, you are a crook, a liar and a jerk. Also, never follow the guy who is credited for the prosperity. You cannot win.

    Thanks to both of you — I go back and forth thinking about this myself.

    This has been the key component of the left’s success, hasn’t it? Incremental changes, taking the long view, chipping away where they can, but conceding what they need to at the time (thinking back to when liberals feigned offense at being compared to socialists/communists, or the lip service they paid to things like regulatory burdens, the working class, and American exceptionalism; “don’t ask don’t tell”; “abortion should be safe legal and rare” etc etc) …and gradually they work to change the culture. If conservatism “happens”, this is the way it would have to happen.

    I think the wide swath of the (mostly apolitical) population who view Reagan favorably, do so because of the economic growth and prosperity , and not because of any clearly articulated ideology.

    Also gay marriage.

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  12. TKC1101 Member
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    Fred Cole:

    TKC1101: Good Fred. My opinion is based on entrepreneurs, investors and seeing small business owners every day.

    Oh. Are they eager for paid maternity leave? Are they looking forward to the economic disruption of mass deportations? Are they excited to have foreign trade shut down?

    They already pay it. They only hire US citizens and use E Verify, so yes, they want their cheating competitors shut down and  they think foreign trade will do just fine with a few tariff threats, a few might get to sell overseas instead of face tariffs from the other side.

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  13. Richard O'Shea Coolidge
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    One more health incident with Hillary  – a fall, fainting, an unexplained absence, another coughing fit – and Trump will win.

    Then, who knows?  My guess is he will grossly overstep the constitutional bounds of the presidency and be impeached within the first 18 months or so.

    By my count, I am 0 – 12 on predictions this year……

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  14. EJHill Podcaster
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    Richard O’Shea: By my count, I am 0 – 12 on predictions this year……

    Richard proudly puts the “O” in O’Shea.

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  15. MJBubba Member
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    Fred Cole:

    MJBubba: Hillary will keep Team Obama intact.

    I don’t think that’s accurate.

    If anything Hillary would clean house and pack it with Clintonistas. Not the same thing as the Obama people.

    First, I don’t think she would be in a big hurry, nor would she need to be.   Second, I am counting on Republicans to drag the hearings out and use them to showcase all the rotten double dealing of the Clintonistas.   I expect that Hillary’s turnover would be slow and very late compared to other changes of Administration.

    Which will suit her just fine anyhow.   She doesn’t need to actually reward any of the Clintonistas, just so long as she can present the appearance of trying to keep her promises.   And besides, the holdovers from Team Obama all have eight years of on-the-job training at weaponizing the agencies, crushing individual liberties, collusions and cover-ups.   Perfect for her Administration.

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  16. Fred Cole Inactive
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    MJBubba:I expect that Hillary’s turnover would be slow and very late compared to other changes of Administration.

    Which will suit her just fine anyhow. She doesn’t need to actually reward any of the Clintonistas, just so long as she can present the appearance of trying to keep her promises.

    I think the opposite.  I’m sure she’s well along in her transition planning, knowing she has a lock on the election.

    And it’s not about rewarding people.

    You gotta understand her mindset: she’s paranoid as all get out.  It’s not about rewarding people.  It’s about making sure the key positions are filled with Clinton loyalists.  When someone is paranoid, loyalty matters far more than competence.

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  17. goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Fred Cole:

    Franz Drumlin: If Trump wins, and it looking increasingly likely that he will, there is a good chance the Republicans will retain a majority in Congress and even perhaps the Senate.

    Two things:

    1. Don’t fool yourself. The race isn’t actually tightening that much. It’s not “looking increasingly likely” that Trump will win.
    2. Republican Senate candidates are actually in good shape, independent of Trump’s buffoonery.

    Fred, just a couple of weeks ago we were being told that Trump was hurting the down ticket races. How soon you forget.

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  18. Fred Cole Inactive
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    goldwaterwoman: Fred, just a couple of weeks ago we were being told that Trump was hurting the down ticket races. How soon you forget

    Usually it’s the Trump people saying that as a reason why we MUST vote for this lunatic.

    I sure as hell didn’t say it. Ive always been quick to point out that the Democrats retained control of the Senate in the 1972 election, despite Nixon winning 49 states.

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