What if he Actually Wins?

 

One of the constants of the political coverage this last year has been “Donald Trump cannot win because… ” Anyone who offered a scenario contrary to the cited “because” was self-delusional, a wishful thinker, or just plain stupid. And through it all, Trump just kept advancing, advancing, and advancing right through to the nomination. The conventional wisdom may still hold and he may yet lose in a landslide in November. But what if he does win? What if the conventional wisdom is actually a conventional delusion?

There will be plenty of theories to be sure. It was a year of historically horrible candidates. The vote was too fractured. Too many of this or that faction stayed home. Too many of this or that faction showed up. But like the financial commercials say, past results should never be seen as a guarantee of future returns.

In all honesty, I don’t think anyone knows. Circumstances constantly change. There were newspaper-only elections, radio elections, television elections and, now, internet and social media elections. In 1896, the winning candidate never left his house. In my lifetime alone, three major “that’ll never happen” presidents happened: We elected a Catholic, a divorced man, and a non-white.

The truth is that every election is unique and the circumstances that align the electorate are hard to repeat or predict. I don’t know what kind of president Donald Trump would make, I only know that if he gets a chance to show it, there’s a lot of people who make their living professing to know how to win elections are going to look unconventionally stupid.

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  1. skipsul Inactive
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    TKC1101: Unfortunately, the Scotch we drink will always be a blend rather than a true single malt.

    Good Americans only drink Bourbon.

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  2. Casey Inactive
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    Craig:If the worst case scenario is improved economic conditions, immigration laws are enforced and undoing 50% of debt/Food stamps dependence seen during Obama’s years then. . . I’ll take it .

    Worst case scenario?  That’s the best case scenario.

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  3. skipsul Inactive
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    skipsul:

    TKC1101: Unfortunately, the Scotch we drink will always be a blend rather than a true single malt.

    Good Americans only drink Bourbon.

    That being said, I’ve never laid claim to being a good American.

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  4. TKC1101 Member
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    skipsul: Heck, this alone would be a massive boon. I can’t tell you how much people are holding back from hiring just on account of the DOL and NLRB constantly putting its thumb on the scales of corrupt old unions, or in twerking making major changes to wage and hourly rules, or hosing up health insurance plans year after year after year. No one at this point knows what the laws will be in 6 months, and we’ve been dealing with that for 8 years now – cripplingly short time horizons.

    This is truth. It is why the small and mid size business engine of the economy is in stall mode while the large corporations are moving value creation overseas and buying back stock.

    Our fix to the financial sector was to reward the large banks who are donors with crippling capital requirements that allowed them to gobble up with Treasury assistance the small and mid sized banks which were the backbone of small business financing.

    Progressives like large , wealthy donor capitalists as they can be integrated into the government activity. They set out to crush small and mid sized companies with trade deals and regulation.

    Change this bias in the Executive branch and watch the economy explode in growth.

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  5. Misthiocracy Member
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    skipsul:

    TKC1101: Unfortunately, the Scotch we drink will always be a blend rather than a true single malt.

    Good Americans only drink Bourbon.

    Only deplorables drink Jack Daniels?

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  6. TKC1101 Member
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    Misthiocracy: Hey, maybe Reince is right. Maybe they’ve discovered some new magic formula that defies everything everybody has ever thought they knew about winning political campaigns ever since Quintus Cicero wrote the first known campaign manual in 64 BC. What do I know?

    He cites numbers of on the ground workers exceeds 2012.  He seems to be invested in winning as he has no future with a loss.

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  7. skipsul Inactive
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    Misthiocracy:

    skipsul:

    TKC1101: Unfortunately, the Scotch we drink will always be a blend rather than a true single malt.

    Good Americans only drink Bourbon.

    Only deplorables drink Jack Daniels?

    Pretty much.  I only use it for cooking.  Or fighting as the square shape, curvy neck, and thick glass sustain blows rather well, especially as compared to, say, Wild Turkey.

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  8. TKC1101 Member
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    skipsul: Pretty much. I only use it for cooking. Or fighting as the square shape, curvy neck, and thick glass sustain blows rather well, especially as compared to, say, Wild Turkey.

    Ah , during my bourbon phase I was partial to Wild Turkey.

    All fond memories now. All I have left after giving up smoking and drinking is coffee and whatever fun stuff they put in the IV during medical procedures.

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  9. Misthiocracy Member
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    TKC1101:

    Misthiocracy: Hey, maybe Reince is right. Maybe they’ve discovered some new magic formula that defies everything everybody has ever thought they knew about winning political campaigns ever since Quintus Cicero wrote the first known campaign manual in 64 BC. What do I know?

    He cites numbers of on the ground workers exceeds 2012. He seems to be invested in winning as he has no future with a loss.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/02/priebus-pledges-98-new-field-offices-narrow-ground-game-gap/

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  10. Chris O. Coolidge
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    EJHill: I don’t know what kind of president Donald Trump would make, I only know that if he gets a chance to show it, there’s a lot of people who make their living professing to know how to win elections are going to look unconventionally stupid.

    Within a week of Election Day some or many of these people will have penned articles saying why Trump must include in his administration those that roundly rejected him. One ambassadorship to Micronesia coming right up! (vague Carter administration reference)

    Tropical Pacific Islands? Doesn’t sound too bad.

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  11. James Lileks Contributor
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    TKC1101: My understanding is it will come from the unemployment fund.

    Paid for by employers, and by rooting out “Fraud and Abuse.” It’s a new entitlement, which will only grow.

    TKC1101:Unless you want to forever cede the blue states, this is how we move forward. A blend of conservatism, small government, big government, entitlements and opportunities. A rapid conversion of the US to pure conservatism is a fever dream that will never occur.

    If we are lucky, we get to shift the direction where it is important to the future and create a blend that allows more reliance on the private sector than public sector over time.

    Unfortunately, the Scotch we drink will always be a blend rather than a true single malt.

    Good points. I’m still unconvinced that ceding the Left’s arguments and adopting their pet projects allows us to make a contrary argument down the road, but we’ll see.

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  12. TKC1101 Member
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    Misthiocracy:

    TKC1101:

    Misthiocracy: Hey, maybe Reince is right. Maybe they’ve discovered some new magic formula that defies everything everybody has ever thought they knew about winning political campaigns ever since Quintus Cicero wrote the first known campaign manual in 64 BC. What do I know?

    He cites numbers of on the ground workers exceeds 2012. He seems to be invested in winning as he has no future with a loss.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/02/priebus-pledges-98-new-field-offices-narrow-ground-game-gap/

    Despite the source, the ground game has always been Trumps blind spot.  Salem Communications is virulently anti Trump, but Ed has always tried to be a straight shooter.

    I had some hope that Bosse would get it in gear and there is time to get a surge going. It may not be enough, it may be.

    I still think this will come down to the choice of Bill Clinton’s nasty wife versus the Guy on Celebrity Apprentice, which are the images that have been burned into the publics mind for decades.

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  13. TeamAmerica Member
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    To answer EJHill’s question-

    If Trump wins, Kelly Conway either becomes W.H. Chief of Staff, or the highest paid political consultant in history.

    Michael Murphy is hired as her secretary.

    Scott Adams sells many more books and becomes a highly paid political commentator or consultant.

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  14. Blondie Thatcher
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    DocJay:

    James Lileks:

    Doug Kimball: While we vilify the domestic private sector and punish them with tax and regulatory burdens

    Like paid maternity leave?

    Or maybe the ones that make my life annoying running a small business. I only hire post menopausal women though so I don’t have to worry about breeding. Or menopause.

    Good to know I am close to this qualification!

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  15. Spin Inactive
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    My consistent prayer is the he does win, and that he is not who I think he is.  Alas, I worry on both fronts.

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  16. Charles Mark Member
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    Meanwhile, outside the USA, where the mere mention of the man’s name induces a mix of horror and mockery and no-one dares to speak well of him, there will be chaos: kind of like 2000 on steroids.

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    Charles Mark: Meanwhile, outside the USA, where the mere mention of the man’s name induces a mix of horror and mockery and no-one dares to speak well of him, there will be chaos: kind of like 2000 on steroids.

    And this is relevant because?

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  18. Eric Hines Inactive
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    Charles Mark:Meanwhile, outside the USA, where the mere mention of the man’s name induces a mix of horror and mockery and no-one dares to speak well of him, there will be chaos: kind of like 2000 on steroids.

    A perfectly sound reason to elect him.  Since when do we allow foreign disdain to control our actions?

    Eric Hines

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  19. Z in MT Member
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    TKC1101:

    James Lileks: Like paid maternity leave

    My understanding is it will come from the unemployment fund. If that is true, not that big an impact on business cost of operation over todays conditions.

    My daughter makes a healthy six figure salary and has 24 weeks of paid maternity leave. I expect most conservatives who think this is a horrible idea may have similar coverage. Hard to muster moral outrage when you are that comfortable.

    We have a nation of single mothers who have a choice of abortion or motherhood.

    TKC,

    You make a good argument. And, I think the maternity leave benefit should be flat and a lump sum. (i.e. The same for every mother regardless of income.) As part of the unemployment system is may not be that bad as it would generally raise the unemployment rates in the industries that already have low unemployment rates and leave the industries with high unemployment rates (construction mostly) the same.

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  20. James Lileks Contributor
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    TKC1101: Salem Communications is virulently anti Trump, but Ed has always tried to be a straight shooter.

    Hewitt: pro-Trump. Gallagher: pro-Trump.  Prager: pro-Trump. Larry Elder: pro-Trump.

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  21. TKC1101 Member
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    James Lileks:

    TKC1101: Salem Communications is virulently anti Trump, but Ed has always tried to be a straight shooter.

    Hewitt: pro-Trump. Gallagher: pro-Trump. Prager: pro-Trump. Larry Elder: pro-Trump.

    I give you two pros and two not nevers anymore. Add Allah to the list and the editorial selection at Hot Air.

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  22. Charles Mark Member
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    TKC1101:

    Charles Mark: Meanwhile, outside the USA, where the mere mention of the man’s name induces a mix of horror and mockery and no-one dares to speak well of him, there will be chaos: kind of like 2000 on steroids.

    And this is relevant because?

    Hey! I mightn’t have a vote but I have a perspective. And I will be driven to distraction by the undiluted hysteria all around me if Trump actually wins.

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    James Lileks: Good points. I’m still unconvinced that ceding the Left’s arguments and adopting their pet projects allows us to make a contrary argument down the road, but we’ll see.

    A valid concern that I share. But, you take the citizenry you have, get their votes and move forward the best you can. If you produce general prosperity, you are one of the greats. If you do not, you are a crook, a liar and a jerk. Also, never follow the guy who is credited for the prosperity. You cannot win.

    Obama could, had he wanted to , produced the biggest economic boom in decades.  He chose to pass, it was not on his agenda.

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  24. TKC1101 Member
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    Charles Mark:

    TKC1101:

    Charles Mark: Meanwhile, outside the USA, where the mere mention of the man’s name induces a mix of horror and mockery and no-one dares to speak well of him, there will be chaos: kind of like 2000 on steroids.

    And this is relevant because?

    Hey! I mightn’t have a vote but I have a perspective. And I will be driven to distraction by the undiluted hysteria all around me if Trump actually wins.

    For that, my sympathies. Would you like a T Shirt that identifies you as a Trump supporter?

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  25. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Pepes roam the streets feasting on the blood of the innocents.

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    Z in MT:As I have said before, I think conservative Trump supporters are going to be extremely disappointed by year two of a Trump presidency. I do not think this election is do or die. The outcomes of a Trump or Hillary election will be nearly the same.

    No.

    Hillary will keep Team Obama intact.  There will only be two or three dozen replacements to fight through Senate Advise and Consent.

    Trump, on the other hand, will immediately ask for the resignations of everyone who is in an appointed position who ever criticized Trump in the media.   Then he will seek to replace most of the 200 appointed positions with lackeys of his own choosing.  Some will be liberals, sure, but there will be some solid conservatives and some true centrists and some hacks and some apolitical toadies.   However bad they may be as a group, we will be much better off than under Hillary.

    And, did you see that there was a poll in which about 30% of federal workers said they would want to quit if Trump wins?   If it is only five percent in actuality, that will help.

    Support Trump.

    If nothing else, it would sow confusion and hesitation in Washington.

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  27. Chris O. Coolidge
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    MJBubba:And, did you see that there was a poll in which about 30% of federal workers said they would want to quit if Trump wins? If it is only five percent in actuality, that will help.

    Support Trump.

    If nothing else, it would sow confusion and hesitation in Washington.

    That’s worth an ad. Geez, it’s a dream.

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  28. James Lileks Contributor
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    TKC1101: I give you two pros and two not nevers anymore. Add Allah to the list and the editorial selection at Hot Air.

    Yeah, but they’re on board; isn’t that enough? I mean, the Trump side should be happy they’re making the case for hours on end every day – in Gallagher’s instance, with great zeal.

    The radio audience exceeds HotAir, I’m sure. If Salem was virulently anti-Trump, you wouldn’t know it from their daily broadcasts, that’s all I’m saying.

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  29. Casey Inactive
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    James Lileks: in Gallagher’s instance, with great zeal.

    That’s why I hold this clear plastic tarp in front of me.

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    James Lileks: The radio audience exceeds HotAir, I’m sure. If Salem was virulently anti-Trump, you wouldn’t know it from their daily broadcasts, that’s all I’m saying.

    I concede on your excellent point. I was far too influenced by the written edition of Hot Air.

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