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Decius Responds to Critiques of Flight 93

Well that was unexpected.

Everything I said in “The Flight 93 Election” was derivative of things I had already said, with (I thought) more vim and vigor, in a now-defunct blog. I assumed the new piece would interest a handful of that blog’s remaining fans and no one else. My predictive powers proved imperfect.

Which should cheer everyone who hated what I said: if I was wrong about the one thing, maybe I’m wrong about the others. But let me take the various objections in ascending order of importance.

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  1. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSul Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    A cogent and forceful response indeed.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:26 AM PDT
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  2. Lash LaRoche Inactive

    I especially like this part:

    To all the “conservatives” yammering about my supposed opposition to Constitutional principle (more on that below) and who hate Trump, I say: Trump is mounting the first serious national-political defense of the Constitution in a generation. He may not see himself in those terms. I believe he sees himself as a straightforward patriot who just wants to do what is best for his country and its people. Whatever the case, he is asserting the right of the sovereign people to make their government do what they want it to do, and not do things they don’t want it to do, in the teeth of determined opposition from a managerial class and administrative state that want not merely different policies but above all to perpetuate their own rule.

    If the Constitution has any force or meaning, then “We the People” get to decide not merely who gets to run the administrative state—which, whatever the outcome, will always continue on the same path—more fundamentally, we get to decide what policies we want and which we don’t. Apparently, to the whole Left and much of the Right, this stance is immoderate and dangerous. The people who make that charge claim to do so in defense of Constitutional principle. I can’t square that circle. Can you?

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:30 AM PDT
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  3. Profile Photo Member

    Novecentescriptial Congratulations. 

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:38 AM PDT
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  4. A-Squared Inactive

    Mike LaRoche: I say: Trump is mounting the first serious national-political defense of the Constitution in a generation. He may not see himself in those terms.

    If you believe Trump is mounting a defense of the Constitution, I can see why you support him. I think he is doing the exact opposite, and that is the problem.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:42 AM PDT
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  5. Lance Inactive
    Lance Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Congratulations on the 900th! If memory serves, I believe your 1st post was also the 1st post on the membership page. Am I right?

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:43 AM PDT
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  6. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
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    Lance:Congratulations on the 900th! If memory serves, I believe your 1st post was also the 1st post on the membership page. Am I right?

    Good heavens, I can’t remember what I had for breakfast last Friday. Was it?

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:44 AM PDT
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  7. Lance Inactive
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    Pseudodionysius:

    Lance:Congratulations on the 900th! If memory serves, I believe your 1st post was also the 1st post on the membership page. Am I right?

    Good heavens, I can’t remember what I had for breakfast last Friday. Was it?

    We used to have access to all the postings dating back to the launch of the Member Feed. I recall seeing you as the first poster and making a note of it in the past. We no longer seem to have such immediate access to verify…but it is a vivid enough recollection to declare unequivocally that its an absolute fact.

    Unless someone’s recollection is better than mine!

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:53 AM PDT
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  8. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
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    Lance:

    Pseudodionysius:

    Lance:Congratulations on the 900th! If memory serves, I believe your 1st post was also the 1st post on the membership page. Am I right?

    Good heavens, I can’t remember what I had for breakfast last Friday. Was it?

    We used to have access to all the postings dating back to the launch of the Member Feed. I recall seeing you as the first poster and making a note of it in the past. We no longer seem to have such immediate access to verify…but it is a vivid enough recollection to declare unequivocally that its an absolute fact.

    Unless someone’s recollection is better than mine!

    In lieu of another eyewitness, I accept your recollection.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 8:54 AM PDT
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  9. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member

    Your milestone deserves some Sibelius.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:08 AM PDT
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  10. DocJay Inactive

    He is not playing his assigned role of gentlemanly loser the way McCain and Romney did, and may well have tapped into some previously untapped sentiment that he can ride to victory. This is a problem for both the Right and the Left. The professional Right (correctly) fears that a Trump victory will finally make their irrelevance undeniable. The Left knows that so long as Republicans kept playing by the same rules and appealing to the same dwindling base of voters, there was no danger. Even if one of the old breed had won, nothing much would have changed, since their positions on the most decisive issues were effectively the same as the Democrats and because they posed no serious challenge to the administrative state.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:10 AM PDT
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  11. Red Fish, Blue Fish Inactive

    A-Squared:

    Mike LaRoche: I say: Trump is mounting the first serious national-political defense of the Constitution in a generation. He may not see himself in those terms.

    If you believe Trump is mounting a defense of the Constitution, I can see why you support him. I think he is doing the exact opposite, and that is the problem.

    Trump is making a defense of the constitution possible, in the only way possible today. All of the conservatives were just wrong on this. The flow of new leftists through immigration had to stop as a predicate to re-asserting the constitution. Also, we needed a campaign that made it possible to win while being branded a racist in order to de-weaponize the left’s delegitimization techniques. Only once that is done can the right actually accomplish anything to restore constitutional order. The managerial class needs to lose to someone who scares them in order to re-assert control over the march of the administrative state.

    Decius is 100% correct.

    Otherwise, you could elect Ted Cruz every four years for the rest of his life and we would still get more progressivism.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:23 AM PDT
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  12. A-Squared Inactive

    Red Fish, Blue Fish: The flow of new leftists through immigration had to stop as a predicate to re-asserting the constitution. Also, we needed a campaign that made it possible to win while being branded a racist in order to de-weaponize the left’s delegitimization techniques. Only once that is done can the right actually accomplish anything to restore constitutional order. The managerial class needs to lose to someone who scares them in order to re-assert control over the march of the administrative state.

    So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    OK. Trump is your guy then.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:33 AM PDT
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  13. DocJay Inactive

    One can point to a few enduring successes: Tax rates haven’t approached their former stratosphere highs. On the other hand, the Left is busy undoing welfare and policing reform. Beyond that, we’ve not been able to implement our agenda even when we win elections—which we do less and less. Conservatism had a project for national renewal that it failed to implement, while the Left made—and still makes—gain after gain after gain. Consider conservatism’s aims: “civic renewal,” “federalism,” “originalism,” “morality and family values,” “small government,” “limited government,” “Judeo-Christian values,” “strong national defense,” “respect among nations,” “economic freedom,” “an expanding pie,” “the American dream.” I support all of that. And all of it has been in retreat for 30 years. At least. But conservatism cannot admit as much, not even to itself, in the middle of the night with the door closed, the lights out and no one listening.

    I tried to tell it, and it got mad.

    Somehow I doubt Mona Charen and all of her ilk are capable of understanding the above facts.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:33 AM PDT
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  14. Austin Murrey Inactive

    I think Decius is right about at least one thing: Never Trump and Reluctant Trump conservatives largely diverge along the last-chance/we-can-survive-intact belief.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:43 AM PDT
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  15. Red Fish, Blue Fish Inactive

    A-Squared:So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    OK. Trump is your guy then.

    The village was already destroyed. The question is how to rebuild it.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:43 AM PDT
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  16. TKC1101 Inactive

    A-Squared: So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    Just your half. Sorry about that.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 9:52 AM PDT
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  17. drlorentz Member
    drlorentz Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It was a good response. I found this quote especially meaningful:

    Still and all, for many—potentially me included—life under perma-liberalism will be nice. If you are in the managerial class, you will probably do well—so long as you don’t say the wrong thing.

    I live in a perma-liberal state. Aside from some minor annoyances, life is good here. I can afford to pay the confiscatory tax rates. From a strictly self-interested point of view, leftism has not harmed me significantly nor likely will it anytime soon. I often say the wrong thing but it is not widely advertised and is considered part of my curmudgeonly charm by those around me.

    No, what enrages me is the hypocrisy, the mendacity, the denial of reality, and the abuse (verbal and otherwise) of the makers and doers of our country. It makes my blood boil even though everything is fine for me.

    There are only two responses:

    1. Continue to let my blood boil and be miserable.
    2. Tend my own garden and live a happy life.

    It falls to those who suffer most from the oppression of leftism to man the barricades and charge the enemy. I’ll cheer them on, those few who remain. Since the new electorate seems to be OK with the direction of the country I’m not optimistic about their chances. We get the government we deserve, good and hard.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 10:19 AM PDT
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  18. drlorentz Member
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    Red Fish, Blue Fish: we needed a campaign that made it possible to win while being branded a racist in order to de-weaponize the left’s delegitimization techniques.

    One can’t overemphasize the importance of this. Republicans have been cowed by the Left this way for years. The conservative agenda has doomed by this problem.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 10:28 AM PDT
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  19. Paul Dougherty Member

    Pseudodionysius:

    Lance:Congratulations on the 900th! If memory serves, I believe your 1st post was also the 1st post on the membership page. Am I right?

    Good heavens, I can’t remember what I had for breakfast last Friday. Was it?

    I imagine it to be dry toast and water following an Ambrosian Morning Hymn.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 10:55 AM PDT
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  20. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
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    Paul Dougherty:

    Pseudodionysius:

    Lance:Congratulations on the 900th! If memory serves, I believe your 1st post was also the 1st post on the membership page. Am I right?

    Good heavens, I can’t remember what I had for breakfast last Friday. Was it?

    I imagine it to be dry toast and water following an Ambrosian Morning Hymn.

    You got the water part right. Always Gregorian when praying Prime in the Divine Office, though.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 11:08 AM PDT
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  21. A-Squared Inactive

    TKC1101:

    A-Squared: So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    Just your half. Sorry about that.

    I know, just the half that believes in capitalism and freedom.Well, I guess that is substantially less than half the country. Apparently, it’s not even half of the Republican Party.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 11:26 AM PDT
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  22. MarciN Member

    Trump definitely wants to do things his way. He has been devouring news throughout his adult life, he has formed an opinion and made a snap judgment on every headline, and he has envied people who went into politics rather than business.

    But like a lot of people who start out railing against government, when they become part of it, they find out why things happened the way they did, and they wisely leave much the way it was.

    This is what I call the Yes, Minister effect.

    And having lived through so many changes of the guard in Washington, I think there may be some truth to the plot in that great movie National Treasure: Book of Secrets. Somewhere in the Oval Office, there’s a book that contains everything the president needs to know about the past and present, and therefore the future. The book is handed down president to president. That’s why nothing significant ever seems to change from one inauguration to the next.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 11:56 AM PDT
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  23. Percival Thatcher
    Percival Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Hah! I skipped breakfast last Friday! Also last Thursday, last Wednesday, last Tuesday…

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:17 PM PDT
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  24. Lash LaRoche Inactive

    alienscat

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:19 PM PDT
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  25. TKC1101 Inactive

    A-Squared: I know, just the half that believes in capitalism and freedom

    Yes. The other half practices capitalism and freedom.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:23 PM PDT
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  26. Martel Inactive

    A-Squared:

    Mike LaRoche: I say: Trump is mounting the first serious national-political defense of the Constitution in a generation. He may not see himself in those terms.

    If you believe Trump is mounting a defense of the Constitution, I can see why you support him. I think he is doing the exact opposite, and that is the problem.

    Have Republicans in recent decades been putting up much of a “defense” in any way other than using the word “Constitution” a lot during election season? We slow down the Democrats from time to time, but the primacy of the administrative state remains unquestioned and unchallenged, and I don’t see any Constitutional authorization for the IRS going after its political opponents, Obamacare and its non-mythical death panels, or the insane and infinite amounts of regulations that virtually nobody would support if they were even understandable. All of the above has been funded with the authorization of Republicans, and there’s no reason to believe that will ever change unless the face of our party changes. Yes, Trump is a risk, but another mild-mannered Republican mouthing platitudes about the Constitution and tax cuts simply isn’t going to cut it.

    All in all, this essay is far more measured than the first one, but I think it’s even more effective. I won’t name names, but I can already tell from some of the comments here that folks are criticizing it that haven’t read it.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:40 PM PDT
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  27. Dad of Four Inactive

    A-Squared:

    Red Fish, Blue Fish: The flow of new leftists through immigration had to stop as a predicate to re-asserting the constitution. Also, we needed a campaign that made it possible to win while being branded a racist in order to de-weaponize the left’s delegitimization techniques. Only once that is done can the right actually accomplish anything to restore constitutional order. The managerial class needs to lose to someone who scares them in order to re-assert control over the march of the administrative state.

    So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    OK. Trump is your guy then.

    Which part of that quote is destroying the constitution?

    • enforcing immigration?
    • winning while being branded a racist?
    • the managerial class losing to someone who scares them?
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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:46 PM PDT
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  28. TKC1101 Inactive

    Dad of Four:Which part of that quote is destroying the constitution?

    • enforcing immigration?
    • winning while being branded a racist?
    • the managerial class losing to someone who scares them?

    Apparently all of them since they all adhere to the hidden penumbra emanation in the constitution that includes “In no way shall anyone make true conservatives uncomfortable”

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:48 PM PDT
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  29. Dad of Four Inactive

    Dad of Four:

    A-Squared:

    Red Fish, Blue Fish: The flow of new leftists through immigration had to stop as a predicate to re-asserting the constitution. Also, we needed a campaign that made it possible to win while being branded a racist in order to de-weaponize the left’s delegitimization techniques. Only once that is done can the right actually accomplish anything to restore constitutional order. The managerial class needs to lose to someone who scares them in order to re-assert control over the march of the administrative state.

    So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    OK. Trump is your guy then.

    Which part of that quote is destroying the constitution?

    • enforcing immigration?
    • winning while being branded a racist?
    • the managerial class losing to someone who scares them?

    Or more broadly, which of Trump’s policy positions would destroy the constitution. Actual policy proposals please, not rhetoric to the press.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM PDT
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  30. Martel Inactive

    Dad of Four:

    A-Squared:

    Red Fish, Blue Fish: The flow of new leftists through immigration had to stop as a predicate to re-asserting the constitution. Also, we needed a campaign that made it possible to win while being branded a racist in order to de-weaponize the left’s delegitimization techniques. Only once that is done can the right actually accomplish anything to restore constitutional order. The managerial class needs to lose to someone who scares them in order to re-assert control over the march of the administrative state.

    So, kind of like we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

    OK. Trump is your guy then.

    Which part of that quote is destroying the constitution?

    • enforcing immigration?
    • winning while being branded a racist?
    • the managerial class losing to someone who scares them?

    The media is doing everything to portray Trump as the most evil racist meanie in American history.

    If Trump loses, such techniques will be seen to have worked. We can rest assured that every future election will feature them as prominently as this one, even if we nominate the likes of Kasich forevermore.

    If Trump wins, it will show that such techniques actually have their limits so there’s a chance (no guarantee, obviously) they’ll be curtailed in the future. The media desperately needs a presidential election loss to demonstrate they’re not yet omnipotent. Otherwise, they’ll act as if they’re even less accountable than they do now.

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    • September 13, 2016, at 12:55 PM PDT
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