What Happens Brex’t?

 

2d7c08db-9d87-43ce-921f-513acca86f7e-2060x1236Global financial panic, Sterling collapsing, and Scotland — possibly Northern Ireland, too — apt to break away. Quite a day’s work.

A striking aspect of the results is the extent to which the vote represents a victory of the old over the young. “Young voters wanted Brexit the least,” as the Mirror put it, “and will have to live with it the longest.”

The final YouGov poll before the referendum showed 72% of 18 to 24-year-olds backed a Remain vote – with just 19% backing Brexit.

Brexiters were led to victory in the referendum overnight by triumphing in Tory shires and Old Labour heartlands in Wales and the north of England.

But the Kingdom is no longer United after London, Scotland and Northern Ireland all backed Remain.

The more damaging legacy, however, could be the staggering difference in how people of different ages [voted].

The final YouGov poll before the referendum showed 72% of 18 to 24-year-olds backed a Remain vote – with just 19% backing Brexit.

Lib Dem leader Tim Farron said: “Young people voted to remain by a considerable margin, but were outvoted. They were voting for their future, yet it has been taken from them.”

I hope that the optimists are proven right and that this is the first day of a bright new future for Britain and Europe. But unless it is — and unless the gain that justifies the pain comes sooner, rather than later — Britain (or what’s left of it) will experience an unprecedented generational war. Or at least, I’m racking my mind, and I can’t think of a precedent, can you?

 I’m so angry. A generation given everything: Free education, golden pensions, social mobility have voted to strip my generation’s future.

The pain will certainly be acute in the immediate term.

Now we’ll watch Europe’s biggest divorce case since Henry VIII. I posted this a few months ago, but it’s worth dusting off and watching again. This is from Open Europe’s simulation post-Brexit negotiations. Former Chancellor Norman Lamont is playing the role of the UK:

As someone who wishes Britain and Europe well, I hope very much that Britain withdraws in an orderly way and recovers as quickly as possible, leaving behind a Europe that’s better for the experience. I hope the rest of the EU learns and benefits from crisis and failure. And if it neither learns nor survives, I hope Europe’s reversion to a gaggle of fractious, quarreling states goes better than history would indicate.

Whatever happens, I’ll report. If you make a contribution this week, it will be earmarked for a chapter of Brave New World about Brexit and its consequences. Please contribute! This story is getting more and more interesting by the day — but I’m still well away from the goal.

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  1. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    As for the old “populist and racist” saw, that ain’t working anymore. The notion of a “proposition nation” is, to use a British expression, utter bollocks. And it always has been.

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  2. Lily Bart Inactive
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    anonymous:

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Global financial panic, Sterling collapsing, and Scotland — possibly Northern Ireland, too — apt to break away.

    Who cares about day traders, hedge funds, and other zero-sum gamblers?

    Why shouldn’t the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland choose who makes the laws they live under?

    Liberty — subsidiarity — democracy!

    As I’ve been saying since before the breakup of the Soviet Union, railroad-era continental-scale empires are neither viable, sustainable, nor stable in the information age. People want to live under laws made by the people they live with, not handed down by unelected and unaccountable “experts” from afar.

    If the young do not value individual liberty and self-rule, then they are wrong, probably due to educational and media indoctrination, and they should thank their elder and wiser neighbours for rescuing them from the “European project” before its inevitable crack-up.

    Tomorrow, #texit.

    Texas and the U.K.

    Gotta move home quickly.     #Texit   ;)

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  3. James Gawron Inactive
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    Pseudodionysius:

    J Climacus:I admit I also find something repellant about judging a momentous decision regarding local sovereignty by the immediate market reaction. Is that all that matters – what my portfolio looks like today?

    In Hegel We Trust – no right, no left, no nation state, one currency, no transcendence, John Lennon Imagine Strawberry Fields Forever.

    Pseud,

    Soros Dr Evil_

    Dr. Evil couldn’t agree more. Yes, let us reduce the profound questions of mankind to arbitrage.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  4. Kozak Member
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    Zafar:

    Kozak:Question. Are people who want live under Sharia rule “British” in any real sense of the word?

    In the political sense demonstrably yes – they can vote.

    Because I don’t consider those who want Sharia over our Constitution “Americans”.

    The people as they are make up a country, not the people as one would have them be (politically, or culturally or ethnically).

    All the more reason for careful immigration control to ensure those who are allowed to immigrate will be compatible with the Nation they are immigrating too.   Don’t need anymore “Americans” who don’t want to live under the Constitution. Lots of Muslim countries they can enjoy Sharia in. Ditto Socialists and Communists, Monarchists etc.

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  5. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    The Inklings are smiling down on this. That’s enough for me.

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  6. BrentB67 Inactive
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    This 100% Certified USDA Grade A Financial Pornography

    CNBC JPEGHere’s the real story: S&P Futures touched 2000 overnight and are now up 48 points from there. Yes, up. I’ve traded S&P 500 futures long for profit this morning already.

    The cash indexes and the carnival barkers at CNBC are an arbitrage reaction side show compared to the Futures markets.

    The DJIA is up 100+ points from last night’s chat session.

    There was a crash last night and some nimble day traders, hedge funds, CTA’s, and other unsavory types not allowed in the carpeted rooms at the country club are not panicking this morning.

    Heck, if you would’ve bought the British Pound at 10pm CT last night you could offset the position and take the rest of the day off with a tidy profit.

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  7. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    The Gods of the Copybook Headings prevail again.

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  8. Lily Bart Inactive
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    Of course there will be short-term problems, and pain – but I feel that they’ve made the correct choice for the long-term.

    Good luck to the British people, I wish them all the best!

    The EU was a good idea in 1945, but it has long outlived its initial purpose of reconciling Germany and France. What stands out is that heads of state and politicians in Europe have been surreptitiously building a much wider political entity. Voters are not asked for their consent. Absence of legitimacy is the EU’s main feature. Since there is no procedure for the democratic right to throw out the [expletive deleted], the EU has developed into something never seen before in the world, an oligarchy with soft totalitarian symptoms. Conflicting national interests and global economic factors lead inexorably to the hardening of these totalitarian symptoms.

    ……..
    As long ago as 1805 William Pitt the Younger faced a similar crisis with famous words, “England has saved herself by her exertions, and will, as I trust, save Europe by her example.”

    David Pryce-Jones, national review

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  9. Austin Murrey Inactive
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    BrentB67: There was a crash last night and some nimble day traders, hedge funds, CTA’s, and other unsavory types not allowed in the carpeted rooms at the country club are not panicking this morning.

    OT, but has anyone done a study on the effects of algorithmic trading on counteracting potential crashes?

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  10. Old Bathos Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    DialMforMurder:In pretty much every election I can remember, the young have overwhelmingly skewed left. The reasons are obvious for anyone who drifted right as they got older. And should be to you. How is this news?

    But I don’t see “remain” as a left-leaning vote. In fact, I see it as the opposite: People in trade, finance, and industry overwhelmingly wanted to remain. There’s very much an anti-capitalist, “to hell with the productive people who actually pay for everything” and a “screw the rich” vibe in the “leave” vote. Something quite close to standard-issue class war. There’s a reason the markets tanked.

    I don’t agree with that assessment. The “left” is now the crony alliance between government, financial industry, large corporations, academia and media which also shares a uniform and militant secularism. They successfully mobilize program-dependent voters to keep them in power while they empower judges and bureaucrats to minimize any undesired effect of elections. The old right-left lines don’t work any more. It is ‘toffs and suckers’ versus whoever is left in the middle. That is a very different kind of class war.

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  11. Arahant Member
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    Kozak: Monarchists etc.

    How about Constitutional Monarchists? Are we kicked out, too? After all, it’s really only a matter of method for selecting the CEO of the government, and the Twentieth Century has proven that elections may not be the best method.

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  12. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Austin Murrey:

    BrentB67: There was a crash last night and some nimble day traders, hedge funds, CTA’s, and other unsavory types not allowed in the carpeted rooms at the country club are not panicking this morning.

    OT, but has anyone done a study on the effects of algorithmic trading on counteracting potential crashes?

    There are several with mixed results. Generally they exacerbate volatility in times like this, but those same studies also acknowledge they provide liquidity.

    Some of the issues last night were outside the real of algo’s.

    The really big foreign exchange transactions are over the counter and done from desk to desk among huge money center banks. I’ve no idea to what portion of their risk they lay off through futures. It is substantial.

    There is arbitrage that must take place between OTC and exchanges for the markets to function and that is often handled algorithmically.

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  13. Misthiocracy Member
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    13466220_10154253303673904_8372483939528756234_n

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  14. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    The chicken is still little and somewhere a horse just died. It’s the glue factory that binds us.

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  15. Misthiocracy Member
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    What’s next:

    • The Tories need to choose a new leader. Conventional wisdom says it’ll be Boris Johnson.
    • UKIP needs to decide if it still has a raison d’etre. Should it merge with the Tories, or continue to risk splitting the vote in the next general election?
    • The UK shall probably apply for re-entry into the European Free Trade Association.
    • Will these results translate into continued electoral success for the Tories?
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  16. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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  17. lilibellt Inactive
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    Britain (or what’s left of it) will experience an unprecedented generational war. Or at least, I’m racking my mind, and I can’t think of a precedent, can you?

     I’m so angry. A generation given everything: Free education, golden pensions, social mobility have voted to strip my generation’s future.

    It seems to me, he should blame his peers. From The Telegraph:

    Before the referendum, Remain campaigners feared that lazy youngsters would cost Britain its future in the EU, leaving others to vote for Brexit on their behalf.

    It looked like they would back Britain staying in Europe more than any other group, but may not vote in enough numbers compared to Brexit-backing pensioners.

    Now that Britain has voted to leave the EU, with a national turnout of 72.2 per cent, this fear seems to be realised. Those areas with the highest share of older voters also enjoyed the highest turnout.

    voter turnout

    Over 50% of young people under 24 didn’t vote at all. There might be a pro-EU sentiment among this age group, but apparently not strong enough to go out and vote. Sometime in the near future I can see generational conflicts over many issues, but hardly over the outcome of this referendum. The EU in the current state is not going to outperform the UK economically any time soon.

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  18. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Global financial panic, Sterling collapsing, and Scotland — possibly Northern Ireland, too — apt to break away. Quite a day’s work.

    Seems they took a page from the colonials:

    Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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  19. Misthiocracy Member
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    lilibellt: Over 50% of young people under 24 didn’t vote at all.

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  20. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    From where I sit, I can look over onto the trading floor of a major Oil Company where they do commodity and currency trading all day long. I expected it to look like an overturned ant heap this morning, but it’s pretty much business as usual.

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  21. Robert Zubrin Inactive
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    They are celebrating in the Kremlin. The disintegration of the western alliance is Putin’s top foreign policy goal.

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  22. livingthehighlife Inactive
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    Nick Stuart:From where I sit, I can look over onto the trading floor of a major Oil Company where they do commodity and currency trading all day long. I expected it to look like an overturned ant heap this morning, but it’s pretty much business as usual.

    I expect in a few months everyone will look back and wonder what the fuss was about.

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  23. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Robert Zubrin:They are celebrating in the Kremlin. The disintegration of the western alliance is Putin’s top foreign policy goal.

    So britian has to keep doing stupid and destructive things because it may make Putin happy to stop being stupid?  I am sorry but that is totally nanners.

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  24. Liz Member
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    Robert Zubrin:They are celebrating in the Kremlin. The disintegration of the western alliance is Putin’s top foreign policy goal.

    They may want to rethink their party. The EU is not a military alliance, and NATO still stands. It seems to me that, speaking generally, a Britain unchained is a far stronger opponent.

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  25. Guruforhire Inactive
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    It also fails to take into account that issues of common administration and military alliances ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

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  26. Locke On Member
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    Robert Zubrin:They are celebrating in the Kremlin. The disintegration of the western alliance is Putin’s top foreign policy goal.

    NATO somehow managed to hang together before the EU, and I expect it’ll do so again, for the same reason – the threat from Russia.  Something about nations having interests, not friends?

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  27. Kozak Member
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    Arahant:

    Kozak: Monarchists etc.

    How about Constitutional Monarchists? Are we kicked out, too? After all, it’s really only a matter of method for selecting the CEO of the government, and the Twentieth Century has proven that elections may not be the best method.

    “God rot all Royals, give us the wisdom of the Americans’

    Mr Fox, “The Madness of King George“.

    Sums it up for me.

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  28. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Robert Zubrin:They are celebrating in the Kremlin. The disintegration of the western alliance is Putin’s top foreign policy goal.

    The managed decline may be more of a goal.

    A significant risk of actual disintegration is that somebody nukes up. Putin probably does not want Germany or Poland nuking up. Unless Putin intends to invade immediately (before anybody can nuke up), disintegration is a bad thing for him.

    He would much rather have a decline in Western forces accompanied by an increase in paralyzing bureaucracy.

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  29. Roberto Inactive
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  30. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Robert Zubrin:They are celebrating in the Kremlin. The disintegration of the western alliance is Putin’s top foreign policy goal.

    Did somebody leave NATO without telling me?

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