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ChaosWhile I haven’t listened to Rush in years (Limbaugh, not the holy triumvirate), I am wondering how many may participate in one of his political calls to arms: Operation Chaos.

California’s Republican Party doesn’t make it easy to vote Republican if you are “non-partisan” (CA’s version of “Independent”). The state GOP seems to be protecting themselves from lefties participating in disruptive voting as you cannot vote in the current Republican primary unless you are registered as a GOP voter, meaning you can only vote for the GOP slate. The California Democrats however welcome both Democrats and Independents which means Bernie has a stronger likelihood of winning as he has done in other “open-primary” states.

For those outside of Rio Linda, Hillary and Bernie are polling in a statistical dead heat before the CA primary on Tuesday. While Clinton’s nomination is a fait accompli, many would like to see her stumble across the convention finish line severely weakened after losing her most recent primaries accompanying her potential indictment.

This would undoubtedly be a moral blow to her campaign, which could strengthen Bernie’s hand in contesting Hillary’s superdelegates at the convention. Whether he stays in the race if he loses tomorrow is to be determined.

I don’t know if El Rushbo has been discussing this, but this may be the only time I can recently remember CA playing a role in a Presidential campaign. How many conservatives will participate in Operation Chaos 2016 before sitting back and passing the popcorn?

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  1. DocJay Inactive

    David Sussman, modern day warrior with a mean mean stride. Bring it on baby!

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    • June 6, 2016, at 10:49 AM PDT
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  2. Kay of MT Member

    So how does Rio Linda vote?

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    • June 6, 2016, at 11:20 AM PDT
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  3. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    DocJay:David Sussman, modern day warrior with a mean mean stride. Bring it on baby!

    Mean mean pride!

    • #3
    • June 6, 2016, at 11:22 AM PDT
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  4. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    Kay of MT:So how does Rio Linda vote?

    For Pedro.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 11:26 AM PDT
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  5. BrentB67 Inactive

    California is the big avocado tomorrow, but there is also ND, NM, MN, NJ, and SD.

    Sanders could really put a dent in Clinton’s Scooby Doo Mystery Machine tomorrow.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 11:35 AM PDT
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  6. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    BrentB67:California is the big avocado tomorrow, but there is also ND, NM, MN, NJ, and SD.

    Sanders could really put a dent in Clinton’s Scooby Doo Mystery Machine tomorrow.

    Agreed, although I don’t know how cross-over voting works in those states. Would be nice to see her lose across the board.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 11:43 AM PDT
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  7. BrentB67 Inactive

    David Sussman:

    BrentB67:California is the big avocado tomorrow, but there is also ND, NM, MN, NJ, and SD.

    Sanders could really put a dent in Clinton’s Scooby Doo Mystery Machine tomorrow.

    Agreed, although I don’t know how cross-over voting works in those states. Would be nice to see her lose across the board.

    I’ve no idea if cross over voting matters in those states either.

    I just think there is more potential damage possible than California.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 11:49 AM PDT
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  8. GrannyDude Member

    The only problem with Hillary losing to Bernie is that it means she’ll move further left. If she wins, she may govern further left than she otherwise might be inclined to do.

    I don’t know…I don’t know…I don’t know…

    luckily, I’m not in California. And Maine already went for Bernie.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 11:50 AM PDT
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  9. Teresa Mendoza Inactive

    I assumed that California’s (stupid, stupid, stupid) open primary rule applied to the presidential primaries, and I intended to vote for Sanders. My misunderstanding was not corrected in time for me to re-register as non-partisan. So I’m going to vote for Cruz.

    I have been wondering since the Democratic field was reduced to two why no Operation Chaos seemed to be employed. I don’t listen to Rush very much any more, but I haven’t heard about him — or anyone else — pushing the idea.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 12:11 PM PDT
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  10. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    Kate Braestrup:The only problem with Hillary losing to Bernie is that it means she’ll move further left. If she wins, she may govern further left than she otherwise might be inclined to do.

    I don’t know…I don’t know…I don’t know…

    luckily, I’m not in California. And Maine already went for Bernie.

    Which would make her a weaker general election candidate no?

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    • June 6, 2016, at 12:25 PM PDT
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  11. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    Teresa Mendoza:I assumed that California’s (stupid, stupid, stupid) open primary rule applied to the presidential primaries, and I intended to vote for Sanders. My misunderstanding was not corrected in time for me to re-register as non-partisan. So I’m going to vote for Cruz.

    I have been wondering since the Democratic field was reduced to two why no Operation Chaos seemed to be employed. I don’t listen to Rush very much any more, but I haven’t heard about him — or anyone else — pushing the idea.

    T, it’s a flawed system. In fact, many CA voters have registered American Independent Party thinking it was non-partisan.

    Like so many things in CA, when the political parties organize something, it results in a complicated mess.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 12:28 PM PDT
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  12. GrannyDude Member

    David Sussman:

    Kate Braestrup:The only problem with Hillary losing to Bernie is that it means she’ll move further left. If she wins, she may govern further left than she otherwise might be inclined to do.

    I don’t know…I don’t know…I don’t know…

    luckily, I’m not in California. And Maine already went for Bernie.

    Which would make her a weaker general election candidate no?

    Well, right, but would it be weak enough? And I don’t like Trump either, so if Trump wins, I don’t want him winning by a landslide. I want him to squeak through because of a third party candidate, so he can’t claim a mandate and has to lean right. (Or at least follow through on the SCOTUS list). Basically, I just don’t know.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 12:39 PM PDT
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  13. DocJay Inactive

    David Sussman:

    Kay of MT:So how does Rio Linda vote?

    For Pedro.

    Sprawling on the fringes of the city
    In geometric order
    An insulated border
    In-between the bright lights
    And the far, unlit unknown

    Growing up, it all seems so one-sided
    Opinions all provided
    The future pre-decided
    Detached and subdivided
    In the mass-production zone

    Nowhere is the dreamer
    Or the misfit so alone

    Subdivisions

    In the high school halls
    In the shopping malls
    Conform or be cast out
    Subdivisions
    In the basement bars
    In the backs of cars
    Be cool or be cast out

    Any escape might help to smooth
    The unattractive truth
    But the suburbs have no charms to soothe
    The restless dreams of youth

    Drawn like moths, we drift into the city
    The timeless old attraction
    Cruising for the action
    Lit up like a firefly
    Just to feel the living night

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    • June 6, 2016, at 1:19 PM PDT
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  14. Judge Mental Member

    DocJay:

    David Sussman:

    Kay of MT:So how does Rio Linda vote?

    For Pedro.

    Sprawling on the fringes of the city
    In geometric order
    An insulated border
    In-between the bright lights
    And the far, unlit unknown

    Growing up, it all seems so one-sided
    Opinions all provided
    The future pre-decided
    Detached and subdivided
    In the mass-production zone

    Nowhere is the dreamer
    Or the misfit so alone

    Subdivisions

    In the high school halls
    In the shopping malls
    Conform or be cast out
    Subdivisions
    In the basement bars
    In the backs of cars
    Be cool or be cast out

    Any escape might help to smooth
    The unattractive truth
    But the suburbs have no charms to soothe
    The restless dreams of youth

    Drawn like moths, we drift into the city
    The timeless old attraction
    Cruising for the action
    Lit up like a firefly
    Just to feel the living night

    I didn’t know you were a poet. That’s good stuff.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 1:41 PM PDT
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  15. DocJay Inactive

    Judge Mental, I am not that poet although my brother writes quite well. Those lyrics are Rush ‘Subdivions’ but I felt it explained a lil Bernie in the youth although vote for Pedro was funnier.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 1:47 PM PDT
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  16. TeamAmerica Member
    TeamAmericaJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I dunno. Listening to ‘The Young Turks’ liberal youtube video, Cenk Uygur keeps pointing out that Bernie leads Trump in the polls by a wide margin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1cdoKKEAQ

    We assume that he’d lose in a general election match-up, but I wonder. Iow, if we weaken Hillary too much, Dems might actually nominate Sanders, whose ‘everything can be free’ platform might get enough support from Millenials, women who perceive the gov’t to be a surrogate husband, and minorities to win. So, iow, be careful what you wish for.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 1:48 PM PDT
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  17. Judge Mental Member

    DocJay:Judge Mental, I am not that poet although my brother writes quite well. Those lyrics are Rush ‘Subdivions’ but I felt it explained a lil Bernie in the youth although vote for Pedro was funnier.

    Your first mistake was taking a comment from me seriously.

    I was actually aware of the origin.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 1:50 PM PDT
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  18. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    Judge Mental:

    DocJay:

    David Sussman:

    Kay of MT:So how does Rio Linda vote?

    For Pedro.

    Sprawling on the fringes of the city
    In geometric order
    An insulated border
    In-between the bright lights
    And the far, unlit unknown

    Growing up, it all seems so one-sided
    Opinions all provided
    The future pre-decided
    Detached and subdivided
    In the mass-production zone

    Nowhere is the dreamer
    Or the misfit so alone

    Subdivisions

    In the high school halls
    In the shopping malls
    Conform or be cast out
    Subdivisions
    In the basement bars
    In the backs of cars
    Be cool or be cast out

    Any escape might help to smooth
    The unattractive truth
    But the suburbs have no charms to soothe
    The restless dreams of youth

    Drawn like moths, we drift into the city
    The timeless old attraction
    Cruising for the action
    Lit up like a firefly
    Just to feel the living night

    I didn’t know you were a poet. That’s good stuff.

    Rush

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    • June 6, 2016, at 1:56 PM PDT
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  19. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    TeamAmerica:I dunno. Listening to ‘The Young Turks’ liberal youtube video, Cenk Uygur keeps pointing out that Bernie leas Trump in the polls by a wide margin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os1cdoKKEAQ

    We assume that he’d lose in a general election match-up, but I wonder. Iow, if we weaken Hillary too much, Dems might actually nominate Sanders, whose ‘everything can be free’ platform might get enough support from Millenials, women who perceive the gov’t to be a surrogate husband, and minorities to win. So, iow, be careful what you wish for.

    The polling showing Bernie beating Trump much higher than Hillary. I think you may have a point, but my gut tells me there are still more voters who understand what 95% tax rates will do and he loses.

    Otoh, Bernie may actually be a safer bet because congress can contain him. He won’t get most of his wacky policies passed (not suggesting I want Bernie for Pres… just an observation).

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    • June 6, 2016, at 2:03 PM PDT
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  20. DocJay Inactive

    Judge Mental:

    DocJay:Judge Mental, I am not that poet although my brother writes quite well. Those lyrics are Rush ‘Subdivions’ but I felt it explained a lil Bernie in the youth although vote for Pedro was funnier.

    Your first mistake was taking a comment from me seriously.

    I was actually aware of the origin.

    Yeah I thought that too considering my obviously hyperemetic stream of consciousness style isn’t exactly fitting for structured verse.

    I’m now forewarned and armed.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 2:14 PM PDT
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  21. Mendel Member
    MendelJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I live in California, and I’m also down with NPP (No Party Preference). So I’ll be voting Bernie as well.

    I’m usually not a fan of either voting in the other party’s primary nor of “strategically” voting for someone one doesn’t want to win. But in this case I’ll make an exception.

    I don’t think the Democrats would ever hand the nomination to Sanders even if he miraculously did so well tomorrow to gain the lead in pledged delegates. He’s done too much to tick off the party establishment for that.

    But seeing as how Hillary should be locking this thing up, every marginal vote for Bernie at this stage is a public rebuke of Hillary. In my unicorn-level scenario, should health or ethical issues (or just poor polling) start to seriously plague Hillary in the next few months, her weak standing among her own party might provide the catalyst for the party to replace her with someone slightly more palatable (like Biden).

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    • June 6, 2016, at 2:27 PM PDT
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  22. Lazy_Millennial Member

    I’ve been listening to Rush daily since February. He’s not advocating another Operation Chaos this time around, though about once a month a caller will ask about it.

    On Bernie- be careful what you vote for. I don’t think Bernie’s going to run third-party, but if he does, he might win the whole thing. His favorable/unfavorable ratings are way better than either Clinton or Trump. Unlike any “white-knight” Republican who might enter should Sanders run, Sanders will have an easy time getting ballot access thanks to his rabid, unemployed/underemployed supporters.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 2:37 PM PDT
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  23. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    Mendel:I live in California, and I’m also down with NPP (No Party Preference). So I’ll be voting Bernie as well.

    I’m usually not a fan of either voting in the other party’s primary nor of “strategically” voting for someone one doesn’t want to win. But in this case I’ll make an exception.

    I don’t think the Democrats would ever hand the nomination to Sanders even if he miraculously did so well tomorrow to gain the lead in pledged delegates. He’s done too much to tick off the party establishment for that.

    But seeing as how Hillary should be locking this thing up, every marginal vote for Bernie at this stage is a public rebuke of Hillary. In my unicorn-level scenario, should health or ethical issues (or just poor polling) start to seriously plague Hillary in the next few months, her weak standing among her own party might provide the catalyst for the party to replace her with someone slightly more palatable (like Biden).

    Mendel, there’s the rub. Many would suggest Hillary is entirely beatable by Trump, but not so many would suggest the same about Biden. I’ve even seen Richochetti comment they would vote Biden over Trump.

    So it’s a tightrope. If you want Trump, the current strategery seems to be letting Hillary squeak into the general as an embattled, highly flawed, massively unlikeable candidate. Then hope against indictment or sickness preventing her replacement by the sympathetic Uncle Joe.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 3:21 PM PDT
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  24. Dave Sussman Podcaster
    Dave Sussman

    Lazy_Millennial:I’ve been listening to Rush daily since February. He’s not advocating another Operation Chaos this time around, though about once a month a caller will ask about it.

    On Bernie- be careful what you vote for. I don’t think Bernie’s going to run third-party, but if he does, he might win the whole thing. His favorable/unfavorable ratings are way better than either Clinton or Trump. Unlike any “white-knight” Republican who might enter should Sanders run, Sanders will have an easy time getting ballot access thanks to his rabid, unemployed/underemployed supporters.

    As far as state deadlines for 3rd party registration, that ship will have sailed long before any serious effort could be made.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 3:23 PM PDT
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  25. Judge Mental Member

    David Sussman:

    Lazy_Millennial:I’ve been listening to Rush daily since February. He’s not advocating another Operation Chaos this time around, though about once a month a caller will ask about it.

    On Bernie- be careful what you vote for. I don’t think Bernie’s going to run third-party, but if he does, he might win the whole thing. His favorable/unfavorable ratings are way better than either Clinton or Trump. Unlike any “white-knight” Republican who might enter should Sanders run, Sanders will have an easy time getting ballot access thanks to his rabid, unemployed/underemployed supporters.

    As far as state deadlines for 3rd party registration, that ship will have sailed long before any serious effort could be made.

    Did you see David French’s column today saying he will not run? He doesn’t think the ballot access is a big problem. I saw someone else say successful challenges could be done for $250M.

    Which strikes me as one more example of a different set of rules for the rich and connected.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 3:26 PM PDT
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  26. Mendel Member
    MendelJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    David Sussman:Mendel, there’s the rub. Many would suggest Hillary is entirely beatable by Trump, but not so many would suggest the same about Biden….. If you want Trump, the current strategery seems to be letting Hillary squeak into the general as an embattled, highly flawed, massively unlikeable candidate.

    This dilemma exists in any general election: if you’re on one side, you want the candidate on the other side to be as horrible as possible. But that opens up the risk of that horrible person becoming president should some unforeseen disaster overcome your guy in October.

    For example, it’s easy to imagine Trump having a medical issue which hands the election to Hillary by default. That’s playing with fire, but it’s the same fire in every election.

    However, I this case, I find both Trump and Hillary to be the worst, least-suited candidates for the presidency in the last 30 years save Obama himself. So I would welcome at least one candidate in whom I have at least a smidgen of faith that he wouldn’t drive this country rapidly into catastrophe – even if he’s not “on my team”.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 4:13 PM PDT
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  27. Susan Quinn Contributor

    Gosh, I so much miss living in CA. (sarcasm, sarcasm). The WSJ had an article about Bernie’s supporters fighting about whether he should stay in or get out after tomorrow. We can speculate based on the results what he might decide.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 4:26 PM PDT
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  28. Doctor Robert Member

    Mr Sussman misses the undelicious irony that the Republicans have already been victimized by an operation chaos. Physician, heal thyself.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 6:48 PM PDT
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  29. Lazy_Millennial Member

    Judge Mental:

    David Sussman:

    Lazy_Millennial:I’ve been listening to Rush daily since February. He’s not advocating another Operation Chaos this time around, though about once a month a caller will ask about it.

    On Bernie- be careful what you vote for. I don’t think Bernie’s going to run third-party, but if he does, he might win the whole thing. His favorable/unfavorable ratings are way better than either Clinton or Trump. Unlike any “white-knight” Republican who might enter should Sanders run, Sanders will have an easy time getting ballot access thanks to his rabid, unemployed/underemployed supporters.

    As far as state deadlines for 3rd party registration, that ship will have sailed long before any serious effort could be made.

    Did you see David French’s column today saying he will not run? He doesn’t think the ballot access is a big problem. I saw someone else say successful challenges could be done for $250M.

    Which strikes me as one more example of a different set of rules for the rich and connected.

    That $250M estimate is only for a Republican. A Democrat with a base as wide and committed as Bernie wouldn’t need nearly as much, as volunteers would do most of the work for free.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 7:10 PM PDT
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  30. Judge Mental Member

    Lazy_Millennial:

    That $250M estimate is only for a Republican. A Democrat with a base as wide and committed as Bernie wouldn’t need nearly as much, as volunteers would do most of the work for free.

    Part of the money is for paid ‘volunteers’, but a big chunk is for legal challenges in states where the deadline is past or soon will be. That’s where I see people buying justice that others can’t get. For most of us the rule is applied and that’s it.

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    • June 6, 2016, at 7:13 PM PDT
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