Paul Ryan’s Detractors Have Zero Leverage

 

Paul RyanYears ago, I was offered a lousy middle-management job at a horrible company. I repeatedly told the recruiter that I wasn’t interested, but he wouldn’t take no for an answer.

“I can increase the salary!” No, not interested.

“What if you can set your own hours?” No thanks.

“Look, I’ll start you off with a month’s vacation and…” NO.

After several annoying calls over a couple of days, I finally said, “Look, I’ll take the job on one condition: Starting salary of a million dollars.”

Several seconds of silence followed before the recruiter said, “um … but, really, what salary are you thinking of?” I repeated my demand, trying to suppress a Dr. Evil voice. That recruiter never called me again, having finally understood my real demand: I don’t want the job.

Rep. Paul Ryan has been repeatedly asked, encouraged, cajoled, and begged to take over the Speaker’s gavel when Boehner drops it. Ryan’s answers have been no, no, no, and hell no. But after another week of Republicans insisting that Ryan is the only human being in existence who can unite conservatives and RINOs, Tea Partiers and country clubbers, young reformers and Hill lifers, Ryan had enough.

He finally relented and said, sure, I’ll take the job … on three conditions:

  • The House Freedom Caucus, the Republican Study Committee, and the moderate Tuesday Group all need to support me.
  • Change the House rules so disgruntled congressmen can’t toss me out so easily.
  • This better not cut into my family time.

Some members were outraged, as were many on talk radio, and (natch) the Internet. How dare he make demands on the people’s representatives! Never before has a Speaker ordered he not be ousted! He wants time with his family … he should be working 24/7!

How many times does Ryan have to tell you that he doesn’t want the damn job? His detractors should be thankful he didn’t demand a million dollars like one smart aleck I know.

Since modern politics runs on outrage, the fact that Ryan doesn’t want to be Speaker has made the anti-Ryan caucus even angrier. Apparently it hasn’t yet dawned on them that they have zero leverage over the Wisconsin representative. If the grumblers lose, it’s Speaker of the House Paul Ryan; if they win, it’s a much happier Ways and Means Chair Paul Ryan.

So, in their impotence, talk radio complains that Ryan loves his family more than he loves government, and websites scream that Ryan has insufficient interest in amassing political power. Both of those complaints only highlight his conservativism.

Here’s the deal, haters: You don’t want Paul Ryan to be Speaker. Paul Ryan doesn’t want to be Speaker. Since you both agree, why are you yelling at him?

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  1. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    @BallDiamondBall

    I don’t know about “haters yelling”, but it would seem that House conservatives have quite a bit of leverage.  Of course, in true GOP Establishment fashion, they are being asked to give up their leverage unilaterally.  No doubt this is to make them real members of the GOP club — surrender your weapons before battle.  Ryan is making no promises, and has a demand in place to be made untouchable even by a rarely-used check on the power of an unwelcome Speaker.

    Shall we also do away with the power to impeach and remove the President?  After all, no President could be sucessful with that sort of weapon aimed at him all the time.  Or should we just extort a promise to “make it more difficult”, in unspecified ways?

    Ryan’s argument here is weak and I think bad.  It is important to convince conservatives that they have no power.  Learned helplessness makes people very pliable.

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  2. Carey J. Inactive
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    Joseph Eagar:

    Luke:Paul Ryan endorsements… Harry Reid, Luis Gutierrez. Awesome

    Luis’ explanations that Paul Ryan has been advocating for comprehensive immigration reform since his days with Kemp in CA. Priceless.

    I love the smell of amnesty in the morning. Nothing warms the conservative cockles of my heart like the dissolution of my polity.

    Godspeed Mr. Ryan.

    I just read on NRO he’s agreed not to push immigration reform. I’m inclined to believe him.

    Why?

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  3. Leigh Inactive
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    @Leigh

    Ball Diamond Ball: No doubt this is to make them real members of the GOP club — surrender your weapons before battle.  Ryan is making no promises, and has a demand in place to be made untouchable even by a rarely-used check on the power of an unwelcome Speaker.

    Not exactly — actually not at all. There is a ton of misinformation floating around on this one. He’s demanding that a handful not be able to vote with Democrats to dump him. He’s not asking that he be made unassailable. He’s not asking to get rid of the motion to “vacate the chair,” he’s asking for changes. He’s proposing, for instance, that the motion to “vacate the chair” require a majority vote of the caucus first. But he’s not even holding out on that specific version of reform — evidently he floated others.

    Conservatives are using that weapon now, but it could very easily be someone from the other end using it next time around. Reform makes sense: if you’ve really lost confidence in your caucus you’re gone, but a few disaffected members can’t do it.

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  4. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Brian Watt:Ryan is an intelligent, sober, decent and honorable man whose economic reforms when enacted will bring the federal budget back in balance and eventually lead to a surplus.

    Brian, this is mathematically false and you provide no back up to support it.

    You are much much better than regurgitating party talking points.

    Ryan’s budget plans are based on growing government 33-50% and will explode the debt and deficit and are based solely on outsized growth assumptions that are unattainable at debt:GDP>1.

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  5. BrentB67 Inactive
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    If Paul Ryan has agreed not to push comprehensive immigration reform has he then agreed to support motions that do not fund DHS in support of Obama’s executive amnesty?

    We do not have a situation where our immigration system is just fine and we are concerned that Paul Ryan may support a plan to break it.

    Our immigration is broken, we are being invaded. Where does Paul Ryan stand and what will he fight for to stop it?

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  6. BrentB67 Inactive
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    @BrentB67

    David Sussman:

    Ball Diamond Ball: His budgets, while never balancing even ten years out, are still better than anything else. If he’s the Speaker, then his budget is likely to survive the process, and he can ensure it doesn’t get ruined in reconciliation. That’s worth a lot — even if it gets vetoed, then he should be invested in standing up for his budget despite shutdown threats. He knows how to talk and can take a case to the public about a shutdown.

    This encapsulates the main reason I like(d) him as VP nominee. This IS worth a lot. Reconciliation, while not a panacea to Obamacare and runaway spending, can certainly pull the emergency brake and slow it down.

    If we believe that growing federal spending 33-50% in the next decade while imagining 4%+ growth for a recession free decade as good I am not sure how much good we can afford.

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  7. FightinInPhilly Coolidge
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    @FightinInPhilly

    I love you…marry me.

    I don’t love you, sorry.

    Please?

    No.

    Pretty please?

    I’m just not that into you.

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeese.

    OK, fine.

    That dress is terrible.

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  8. Kevin Creighton Contributor
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    @KevinCreighton

    Wow, kinda disappointed with the quality of the comments here.

    It started off with an ad hominem attack, and went downhill from there.

    Not what I signed up for.

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  9. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Kevin, was the OP all that you hoped for?

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  10. Majestyk Member
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    BrentB67:If we believe that growing federal spending 33-50% in the next decade while imagining 4%+ growth for a recession free decade as good I am not sure how much good we can afford.

    I think we need to place the Ryan plan in its proper context.

    That context being one of being an alternative to the Obama’s budget deficit projections out of the CBO and OMB (which if I recall were sky-high as far as the eye could see.)

    The other bit of context that I think is important is that the Republicans were still operating (I think) under the impression that the President was an honest broker and that the normal rules for Washington were still in effect.  That assumption has respectable origins with Uncle Milty.  Uncle Milty couldn’t have predicted Barack Obama.

    Ultimately, I think the Ryan plan was a concession to the idea that politics is the art of the possible.  There was no way that Ryan could produce a budget that was truly transformative given the mood of the country and Obama’s popularity at that time.

    The mood of the country is somewhat changed now.  It’s likely that a Speaker Ryan with a Republican President will be able to right the ship.

    Why don’t we just give him a shot instead of shooting him before he’s had a chance?

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  11. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Bigfoot:The COC prevents me from responding appropriately. We are in trouble and this is no help at all.

    You mean “inappropriately.” :)

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  12. Duane Oyen Member
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    Read the comments.  Brian Watt speaks seriously about serious points.  Those who oppose Ryan essentially do the usual- scream “No Amnesty!” at the top of their collective lungs, and push for yet more meaningless show votes by the House regarding ObamaCare and the debt ceiling while letting all the Appropriations bills sit there.

    Good grief.

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  13. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Paul Ryan on immigration in his own words (2013):

    I disagree that we should approach this issue based on what’s right for us politically. We should approach this issue on what we think is the right thing to do. We have been listening to the American people. So what we’re going to do is take a step-by-step approach to get immigration right, not a big massive bill. Number one, we don’t have control of our border. And we need interior enforcement to know who’s coming and going. And right now, people come to this country based on family relations, not based on skills. Most other countries have a legal immigration system that’s good for their country, we should do the same. And when it comes to the undocumented, people who came here illegally, we want to give people a chance to get right with the law while not doing an amnesty. Pay fines, pay back taxes, get a background check, learn English, learn civics.

    2012

    Operational control of our borders should be among the highest priorities of Congress. Every nation has the right to control entry and exit across its border. Porous borders leave us susceptible to the illegal crossing of terrorists, drug lords, and gang members, placing our homeland security in serious jeopardy. I have been a vocal proponent in calling upon Congress to make border fence construction a top priority, and will continue working toward enforcement of our nation’s borders.

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  14. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Mike LaRoche: I only regret not having left that joke of a political party sooner.  Ryan is a pro-amnesty shill and will get no support from me.

    I’m having a hard time figuring out what sort of realistic immigration policy would not be an amnesty? Is it amnesty if it does not include mass deportations, or are such deportations the sine qua non of an acceptable immigration policy to the anti-Ryan contingent?

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  15. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Leigh: The complaints about him wanting to protect his family time were really, really petty. I have lost some respect for some people over this one. Because you know what the time thing is all about? Fundraising.

    Man on deathbed, all alone as his estranged children couldn’t be bothered to make a final visit:  “I wish I had spent even more time fundraising for my fellow Republicans.”

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  16. BrentB67 Inactive
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    @BrentB67

    Kevin Creighton:Wow, kinda disappointed with the quality of the comments here.

    It started off with an ad hominem attack, and went downhill from there.

    Not what I signed up for.

    Agree, not our finest hour.

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  17. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Majestyk:

    BrentB67:If we believe that growing federal spending 33-50% in the next decade while imagining 4%+ growth for a recession free decade as good I am not sure how much good we can afford.

    I think we need to place the Ryan plan in its proper context.

    That context being one of being an alternative to the Obama’s budget deficit projections out of the CBO and OMB (which if I recall were sky-high as far as the eye could see.)

    The other bit of context that I think is important is that the Republicans were still operating (I think) under the impression that the President was an honest broker and that the normal rules for Washington were still in effect. That assumption has respectable origins with Uncle Milty. Uncle Milty couldn’t have predicted Barack Obama.

    Ultimately, I think the Ryan plan was a concession to the idea that politics is the art of the possible. There was no way that Ryan could produce a budget that was truly transformative given the mood of the country and Obama’s popularity at that time.

    The mood of the country is somewhat changed now. It’s likely that a Speaker Ryan with a Republican President will be able to right the ship.

    Why don’t we just give him a shot instead of shooting him before he’s had a chance?

    The reason we are critical of him is his record of what he’s fought for.

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  18. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Man With the Axe:

    Mike LaRoche: I only regret not having left that joke of a political party sooner. Ryan is a pro-amnesty shill and will get no support from me.

    I’m having a hard time figuring out what sort of realistic immigration policy would not be an amnesty? Is it amnesty if it does not include mass deportations, or are such deportations the sine qua non of an acceptable immigration policy to the anti-Ryan contingent?

    In absence deporting those that are here illegally and detained at the border it is in effect amnesty.

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  19. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    BrentB67: If the freedom caucus split, guess who else would be in a perpetual minority.

    You mean the Republicans, but I’m not sure that’s correct. If the most extreme Republicans split from the party a significant contingent of middle-of-the-roaders might be willing to move over from the Democrats. People who resemble the blue dog Democrats from a few years ago.

    There are plenty of people who could vote Republican if they didn’t think they were voting for the Rick Santorum wing. They want a balanced budget, secure borders, a strong military. But they don’t want to talk about homosexual marriage anymore. They don’t want to talk about abortion, at least not all the time. They don’t want to deport 11 million illegals. They don’t want Donald Trump.

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  20. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    @ManWiththeAxe

    Carey J.: Nice work, if you can get it. If he doesn’t want to do the job, [CoC] him. If he’d rather spend time with his family than work to strengthen the party, get someone else to do the job and let him spend as much time as he wants with his family. I’m okay with it if he wants to resign his seat and be with his family 24/7.

    I’d like to read the speaker’s job description. Do you have a copy?

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  21. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Majestyk: Why don’t we just give him a shot instead of shooting him before he’s had a chance?

    That shot (the first, not the second) is being negotiated.  Sounds like FC is willing to be quite flexible, so long as he doesn’t insist on an innovative lock on power and doesn’t push amnesty.

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  22. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Man With the Axe:

    BrentB67: If the freedom caucus split, guess who else would be in a perpetual minority.

    You mean the Republicans, but I’m not sure that’s correct. If the most extreme Republicans split from the party a significant contingent of middle-of-the-roaders might be willing to move over from the Democrats. People who resemble the blue dog Democrats from a few years ago.

    There are plenty of people who could vote Republican if they didn’t think they were voting for the Rick Santorum wing. They want a balanced budget, secure borders, a strong military. But they don’t want to talk about homosexual marriage anymore. They don’t want to talk about abortion, at least not all the time. They don’t want to deport 11 million illegals. They don’t want Donald Trump.

    The blue dogs were decimated in Pelosi’s Obamacare jihad.

    If they are voting for moderate republicans they are not voting for balanced budgets, secure borders.

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  23. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Luke:Paul Ryan endorsements… Harry Reid, Luis Gutierrez. Awesome

    Luis’ explanations that Paul Ryan has been advocating for comprehensive immigration reform since his days with Kemp in CA. Priceless.

    I love the smell of amnesty in the morning. Nothing warms the conservative cockles of my heart like the dissolution of my polity.

    Godspeed Mr. Ryan.

    Isn’t it obvious that Harry Reid goes to the podium to praise Ryan just so people like you (and me) will take it as proof that Ryan is tainted? It’s a classic misdirection. “If I like him, and I know you hate me, then you are going to hate him, too.”

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  24. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    @BallDiamondBall

    Man With the Axe:

    Luke:Paul Ryan endorsements… Harry Reid, Luis Gutierrez. Awesome

    Luis’ explanations that Paul Ryan has been advocating for comprehensive immigration reform since his days with Kemp in CA. Priceless.

    I love the smell of amnesty in the morning. Nothing warms the conservative cockles of my heart like the dissolution of my polity.

    Godspeed Mr. Ryan.

    Isn’t it obvious that Harry Reid goes to the podium to praise Ryan just so people like you (and me) will take it as proof that Ryan is tainted? It’s a classic misdirection. “If I like him, and I know you hate me, then you are going to hate him, too.”

    Same reason he pretended not to like Romney.  He actually hoped for a Mormon caliphate, and only loyal Obama voters foiled his plot!

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  25. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    BrentB67: The blue dogs were decimated in Pelosi’s Obamacare jihad. If they are voting for moderate republicans they are not voting for balanced budgets, secure borders.

    They were decimated because the Democrats went too far to the left, and so the people who voted for the blue dogs voted Republican instead. Those are exactly the voters I’m talking about. They are persuadable.

    They will vote for moderate Republicans but they won’t vote for more extreme Republicans under any circumstances, and they think the Democrats are worse on budgets and borders.

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  26. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball: Same reason he pretended not to like Romney.  He actually hoped for a Mormon caliphate, and only loyal Obama voters foiled his plot!

    Answer me this: (If and) When you saw Harry Reid praise Ryan didn’t it make your skin crawl? Didn’t it have exactly the effect I described?

    I like Ryan, so to me it was obvious that Reid is trying to hurt him by praising him. If you don’t like him it is easier for you to believe that Reid really likes him and wants him to be speaker.

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  27. Son of Spengler Member
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Man With the Axe:

    Isn’t it obvious that Harry Reid goes to the podium to praise Ryan just so people like you (and me) will take it as proof that Ryan is tainted? It’s a classic misdirection. “If I like him, and I know you hate me, then you are going to hate him, too.”

    Same reason he pretended not to like Romney. He actually hoped for a Mormon caliphate, and only loyal Obama voters foiled his plot!

    When Reid starts playing for realsies, e.g. accusing Ryan of tax evasion, we’ll know he’s being honest about his desires. In the meantime, I’m inclined to believe Reid’s 2012 treatment of Ryan is an honest reflection of what he wants, and his current endorsement is tactical application of reverse psychology.

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  28. John Penfold Member
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    The folks who don’t like Ryan,one of the smartest and most principled conservatism on the hill, seem to like Trump who is a progressive. Go figure. We finally have the best bunch of candidates in my life time (lots of years), reject a guy like Ryan and embrace a progressive like a Trump.. People I’ve liked, Rush for instance are promoting the idea that Trump is the not Bush candidate. It’s all crazy. Bush and Trump are probably the only republicans who couldn’t win.

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  29. Majestyk Member
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    BrentB67:The reason we are critical of him is his record of what he’s fought for.

    I can’t blame the guy for not wanting the job unless it’s on his terms – and one of those terms is “not having to pick arrows out of his back from friendly fire.”

    As I explained in that other thread, the Freedom Caucus isn’t where the rest of the country is.  That is lamentable, but it is a political reality.  They need to be a little bit more strategic about this and recognize that coalitions that are so tranformative of policy are not built overnight.  They take years to construct and even then may never actually materialize.  If we constantly engage in this circular firing squad we are never going to be aiming at the real target, only knocking off our own guys who are going over the battlements.

    I think Winston Churchill said that Americans will ultimately do the right thing, but only after having tried every other option first.

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  30. Majestyk Member
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    Son of Spengler:When Reid starts playing for realsies, e.g. accusing Ryan of tax evasion, we’ll know he’s being honest about his desires. In the meantime, I’m inclined to believe Reid’s 2012 treatment of Ryan is an honest reflection of what he wants, and his current endorsement is tactical application of reverse psychology.

    “Don’t throw me into the briar patch!”

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