Webb Considers Independent Run

 

Jim WebbJim Webb has been a senator, Secretary of the Navy, combat Marine, filmmaker, and successful author. But his most unlikely role is campaigning to be the Democratic presidential nominee in 2016.

You could see a man of his experience running in the ’60s or even the ’90s. But today’s Democratic party boasts of its contempt for the traditional martial honor that Webb represents.

Though progressives showily insist that they adore our troops, you saw the instinctive contempt during the first Democratic debate. When the moderator asked candidates to list the enemy they are most proud of, Webb was the only person not to name one of his fellow Americans.

He pointed instead to the Vietnamese soldier who threw a grenade at Webb. Then a First Lieutenant, Webb shot the soldier, pushed away a fellow Marine, and flung his body between the grenade and his comrade.

Beltway journos gasped then giggled at Webb’s mention of combat experience, so much so that the candidate’s son felt the need to defend his honor in an op-ed. In 2016, people actually need to defend the honor of a war hero for being awarded the Navy Cross. If he had declared his biggest enemy was a white male veteran, the same critics would have applauded.

Belatedly recognizing that he is woefully out of step with a progressive party, and still suspicious of the GOP to which he once belonged, Webb is considering a run as an independent.

Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb will consider an independent bid for president amid protests by the candidate that the Democratic Party rigged last week’s debate for Hillary Clinton.

Webb’s campaign emailed out details to a press conference for Tuesday at the National Press Club with the subject line: “Jim Webb to consider independent run.” During last week’s debate, he only had the chance to speak for 15 minutes compared to about 30 minutes for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, according to NPR.

“It was rigged in terms of who was going to get the time on the floor by the way that Anderson Cooper was selecting people to supposedly respond to something someone else said,” Webb told the audience last week at an event for the Council on Foreign Relations.

Granted, Webb hasn’t exactly been tearing it up in the polls. But in a year of outsiders, a military hero who has abandoned both parties and wants to represent forgotten blue collar workers could make a significant impact in a close race.

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  1. Roadrunner Member
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    I suspect, given the state of Republican candidates that Webb has a better chance of stealing Republican votes than Democratic ones.  For him it is one more chance to play the useful idiot.

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  2. TKC1101 Member
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    Webb will run if the DNC wants to limit the blue collar votes in key states that will go to a populist republican. He is a complete party guy who believes in big government.

    If Trump or Carson get the nod, or even Cruz, you will see a shadow funded Jim Webb run in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida.

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  3. Kate Braestrup Member
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    Roberto:Well it would certainly be somewhat more rational than his current course of action where he seemed to be under the impression his quest for the Democratic nomination was not clearly doomed to fail.

    The real question is still unanswered, why run at all?

    The motivation for him even attempting this run for the Presidency is rather unclear. The effort seems detached from all reality.

    This is a good question. Maybe because Hillary is worrying him, and the Lurking Biden doesn’t seem a whole lot better? That is, for the nation?

    Why does anyone run for President? It seems insanely exhausting and unpleasant.

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  4. Kate Braestrup Member
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    TKC1101:Webb will run if the DNC wants to limit the blue collar votes in key states that will go to a populist republican. He is a complete party guy who believes in big government.

    If Trump or Carson get the nod, or even Cruz, you will see a shadow funded Jim Webb run in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida.

    Wow…really? (I am clearly not Machiavellian enough for political conversations…)

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  5. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    Kate Braestrup:

    Leigh:All those facts about Webb’s liberalism are reminding me a little of all the facts about Trump’s: they probably won’t matter.

    He would steal votes Republicans need.

    On the other hand, he’s not an idiot.

    Perhaps not, but he’s fine with too many idiotic policies.

    I think he would steal the votes of reasonable dems that might otherwise crossover to us.

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  6. Roberto Inactive
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    TKC1101:Webb will run if the DNC wants to limit the blue collar votes in key states that will go to a populist republican. He is a complete party guy who believes in big government.

    If Trump or Carson get the nod, or even Cruz, you will see a shadow funded Jim Webb run in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida.

    So your theory is that he deliberately allowed himself to be recruited in order to act as a potential spoiler at a later date?

    Interesting. But is that just intuition? Or do you have something more meaty to back that up?

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  7. Pseudodionysius Inactive
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    <blockquote class=”twitter-tweet” lang=”en”><p lang=”en” dir=”ltr”>A Trump-Webb independent ticket would be the judgment that I’m afraid the contemporary GOP might just deserve.</p>&mdash; Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) <a href=”https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/656227129751961600″>October 19, 2015</a></blockquote>

    <script async src=”//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js” charset=”utf-8″></script>

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  8. TKC1101 Member
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    Roberto:

    TKC1101:Webb will run if the DNC wants to limit the blue collar votes in key states that will go to a populist republican. He is a complete party guy who believes in big government.

    If Trump or Carson get the nod, or even Cruz, you will see a shadow funded Jim Webb run in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida.

    So your theory is that he deliberately allowed himself to be recruited in order to act as a potential spoiler at a later date?

    Interesting. But is that just intuition? Or do you have something more meaty to back that up?

    call it informed intuition. he has no reason to run otherwise.

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  9. Baker Inactive
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    @thebaldtruth:I will leave this Earth without ever having voted for Donald Trump. Sorry, but he is not the lesser of two evils. If the nominees of the major parties were Trump & Clinton I would enthusiastically vote for Jim Webb.

    Amen brother. I will knock on doors for the man if those other two fraudsters are the nominees.

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  10. James Of England Inactive
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    TKC1101:

    Roberto:

    call it informed intuition. he has no reason to run otherwise.

    There’s a lot more people who know about Webb today than knew about him a year ago. It’s good for any future career he might be interested in, it’s good for his book sales, and it’s probably helpful to his kids. The possibility of a run is terrifying, but it’s not certain, just as with Trump.

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  11. James Of England Inactive
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    John Hendrix:

    Judge Mental:

    Douglas:Democrats would probably welcome this, as they would see it eating more into Republican votes than their own. They’re probably right.

    Would he? I know the Dem party has moved far to the left but have they taken their voters with them? All of them?

    Third party candidates drain votes from both main parties in the general election. I think that all Douglas is saying is that Webb is such a misfit in the Dem Party that he will attract fewer votes from that party than from the Republicans.

    Third party candidates drain votes from both sides, but not equally.

    Thus, Ross Perot, who campaigned primarily on the deficit, cost Bush, the best President since Coolidge on the deficit, the 1992 election. Ralph Nader cost Gore, the most environmentalist Presidential nominee, the 2000 election. Libertarian candidates routinely cost free market candidates (eg. Cuccinelli, Love) their elections.

    In this instance, Webb’s strongest appeal is to those who identify as rural white working class men; there aren’t many politicians who explicitly appeal to whites as victims. In most Presidential elections, he’d draw more from our side than from theirs. In states like Ohio where there is a strong racial divide, a strong urban/ liberal divide, and a significant gender gap, his impact would be stronger than in others. In a Presidential election dominated by Clinton’s identity, the gender gap seems likely to be even larger than normal, meaning that Webb’s vote would be even worse for us.

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  12. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    Pass.

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  13. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Kate Braestrup: What I know is that he is exactly what he appears to be. Cantankerous and brave. Not PC. One of the best, if not the best, novelist to come out of the Vietnam War, which argues an imagination.  The real deal when it comes to heroism.

    I’ve enjoyed at least two of his books. One has a part in which the protagonist is riding a motorcycle across Vietnam. Very evocative. It swims up in my consciousness occasionally…

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  14. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Good novelist, yes. Good president: well, if elected he would not be the worst ever, that much I know.

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  15. Leigh Inactive
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    I think the comments on this thread would lead Webb to be more inclined to run than otherwise.

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  16. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    I must interrupt this Webb love fest to remind everyone that Jim Webb voted for Obamacare. For me, that’s enough to dismiss him. Then there’s the radio interview I heard with him and a guy named David Burd on Washington Post radio (now back to WTOP) in D.C. The two of them ripped into Ronald Reagan while yucking it up. He also refused to shake W’s hand at the White House. I can forgive that last one.

    If anything, he’s a right-leaning Democrat and there’s no longer room for someone like that in the Democrat Party. And he ain’t no conservative either.

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  17. Concretevol Thatcher
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    Kate Braestrup:Or a crook.

    He is a senator who voted for Obamacare….the crook thing may be debatable.  :)

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  18. ctlaw Coolidge
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    The problem is he’s either a lunatic or worse. Every sane thing he says only confirms the magnitude of the unsaid lunacy or evil that overrides to provide his party affiliation.

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  19. James Gawron Inactive
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    Jon & Kate,

    I’m sorry but Webb simply does not qualify as a current Democrat. He lacks the essential INSANE!!! characteristics.

    Also he doesn’t have a visible tattoo.

    Trudeau

    Jim Webb doesn’t pass the insanity requirement or the male bimbo requirement.

    Just forget it Webb!

    Regards,

    Jim

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  20. Majestyk Member
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    Now official: Webb is sick of the Democrats.

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  21. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    He’s a crank.

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  22. Troy Senik Member
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    I’d just like to point out that I called this over a year ago.

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  23. RyanFalcone Member
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    I think he will run and not only that but someone will break free from the GOP and do the same. I think everyone is starting to realize that they have no path to a 51% majority so the game is changing. How do you triangulate is such a way as to get as many other folks into this mess as it takes to get your candidate to the top of the heap?

    The progressives have won. There is no cohesive culture here anymore.

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  24. Whiskey Sam Inactive
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    Give him five minutes, and he’ll change political parties again.  Not the first or second time for him.  He’s an opportunist and not what you want in a political leader.

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  25. EJHill Podcaster
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    Whiskey Sam – He’s no Churchill, but how many times did Sir Winston change parties?

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  26. Judge Mental Member
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    Troy Senik:I’d just like to point out that I called this over a year ago.

    OK, who’s pretending to be Troy this time?

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  27. Whiskey Sam Inactive
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    EJHill:Whiskey Sam – He’s no Churchill, but how many times did Sir Winston change parties?

    Twice.  He changed after already being an office holder both times.  Webb changed parties specifically to have a chance at office and would be doing so again.

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