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  1. James Gawron Inactive
    James Gawron
    @JamesGawron

    Claire,

    They were silent during the African genocides, they were silent during the long Lebanon genocide (only Sharon and the Christian Phalange needed rebuke for a single incident), they were silent when the Greens were being beaten in the streets of Tehran, they were silent during the long Syrian genocide, they were silent when Yazidi women begged to be killed to end the gang rape, they are silent when gays were thrown off the tops of buildings and cartoonists were slaughtered.

    I recommend that the water & electric power be turned off at the U.N. building for an indefinite period. Perhaps they will take a hint.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  2. billy Inactive
    billy
    @billy

    Allahpundit has a rather cynical take on this, which I think is sadly true:

    I think this was meant to be reproachful in a sit-there-and-think-about-what-you’ve-done way. But this audience being what it is, most of them were thinking, “If Iran had gotten on with it already, we wouldn’t need to sit here and listen to this Jew talk.”

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  3. Ralphie Inactive
    Ralphie
    @Ralphie

    Article 1 and 2 (Purposes and Principles) of the UN Charter are not to be taken seriously.  Neither is the UN.

    They would be more up in arms if they had to pay their parking tickets.

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  4. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    It was an extraordinary moment of an extraordinary speech.

    Something that also bears contemplation:

    Iran is also building intercontinental ballistic missiles whose sole purpose is to carry nuclear warheads. Now remember this: Iran already has missiles that can reach Israel. So those intercontinental ballistic missiles that Iran is building – they’re not meant for us – They’re meant for you. For Europe. For America. For raining down mass destruction – anytime, anywhere.

    While they are chewing on that, a Churchill koan:

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

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  5. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    He makes me wish we had a real president like him rather than (censored out of respect to the COC).

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  6. Great Ghost of Gödel Inactive
    Great Ghost of Gödel
    @GreatGhostofGodel

    Eugene Kriegsmann:He makes me wish we had a real president like him rather than (censored out of respect to the COC).

    Someone has to: the evil, mendacious jackass currently in the White House.

    I don’t believe the CoC is intended to prevent us from telling the truth, and I’ve still chosen the mildest language that immediately comes to mind.

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  7. FightinInPhilly Coolidge
    FightinInPhilly
    @FightinInPhilly

    wow.

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  8. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    My heart breaks for him because he never gets support from anyone – George W. was in his corner – that was the last time he has had real support. But he never backs down  – Netanyahu has been sounding the alarm bell for years. No one listens. The evil that is building up in the Middle East around Israel has no idea what is coming to them – Israel is God’s chosen and He will not forsake them.

    Interesting, the week they raise the Palestinian flag over UN, a hurricane has formed in October and heading up the East Coast – signs and wonders.

    God bless Benjamin Netanyahu.

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  9. Rodin Member
    Rodin
    @Rodin

    Front Seat Cat:God bless Benjamin Netanyahu.

    He had better because He knows Obama’s America is no longer watching Israel’s back: The feckless Republican leadership can’t push Obama to do anything and will do nothing to even illustrate Obama’s antipathy. G_d created uranium and the mind of man that created plutonium. Right now that is all the friends that Israel has.

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  10. Manny Member
    Manny
    @Manny

    What Obama has done to Israel and the middle east is a disgrace beyond words.  We still have fifteen and a half months to go before his presidency mercifully ends.  Until then it’s pain and more pain and even more pain.

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  11. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    Claire posted earlier if you were Secretary of State, what would you do? I heard on the car radio running errands that Obama blocked John Kerry from attending Netanyahu’s speech at the UN – Is this true?  If it is, then Obama not only made a statement to the world powers, but he impeded his own Secretary of State to represent support not only our ally and friend, but the only Democratic, head screwed on straight country in the Middle East –

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  12. mezzrow Member
    mezzrow
    @mezzrow

    Manny:What Obama has done to Israel and the middle east is a disgrace beyond words. We still have fifteen and a half months to go before his presidency mercifully ends. Until then it’s pain and more pain and even more pain.

    Until then?  You fail to account for the delayed action fuses he has baked into our future.

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  13. Grey Hare Inactive
    Grey Hare
    @greyhare

    Front Seat Cat-

    Thru an article I saw at American Thinker, the State Department confirmed to Bretibart News yesterday that both Kerry and Power were called to a video meeting with the President, scheduled to coincide with Bibi’s speech.

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  14. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    We should expel the UN, tear down the building and salt the earth where it stood.  I despise the UN.  What little bit they do that is useful could be done by another organization 100x better.  I respect Netanyahu for going there and standing up for his country but at some point I believe I would just tell them all to get f’ed and leave.

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  15. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
    Eugene Kriegsmann
    @EugeneKriegsmann

    Concretevol, I had the same feeling as what you so eloquently stated above.  However, watching that speech earlier today, I felt that if nothing else the UN provided a place where Netanyahu could be heard, not so much by the garbage anti-Semites so evident in that building (and I include Kerry and Power in that group), but for those who still have consciences and minds and need to hear and want to hear the truth. There is nowhere else that Netanyahu could have spoken and be heard by so many who need to and want to hear his message.

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  16. Robert McReynolds Inactive
    Robert McReynolds
    @RobertMcReynolds

    The nations of the world have turned their back on Israel. I feel like I have read this in a book somewhere………

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  17. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    If you haven’t watched this documentary, do so.

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  18. Mike LaRoche Inactive
    Mike LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    US out of the UN, UN out of the US.

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  19. Robert Lux Inactive
    Robert Lux
    @RobertLux

    I’m currently living in Montreal — the hipster section, Mile End.  If I encounter another Noam Chomsky* inspired jackass telling me Israel is cause of the ME’s problems, is an Apartheid state, etc., I’m going to punch the him in the face.

    Sorry, no.  I’m actually a gentle guy.  But the thought is so tempting.

    * Why that man has been such a hit in Quebec, I can’t quite understand. He’s lectured  VERY frequently at Concordia over the years. And I imagine he’s per capita more read in Canada than in the U.S.; “Manufacturing Consent” was produced in Montreal, etc.

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  20. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Editor
    Claire Berlinski, Ed.
    @Claire

    Robert Lux: If I encounter another Noam Chomsky* inspired jackass telling me Israel is cause of the ME’s problems, is an Apartheid state, etc., I’m going to punch the him in the face.

    It won’t work. He’ll still believe it. I’ve come to the conclusion that this — above any other lunatic belief in the world — is the one that’s most resistant to revision. Why? We could ask ourselves for generations and write volumes about it (and many of us have), but there’s just something about anti-Semitism that seems to be hardwired into our species. I don’t even fret that much about it anymore — honestly — I just accept it as a fact of life, like death and taxes. I find philo-Semites as weird (if certainly not as dangerous and obviously vastly more welcome) as anti-Semites: It’s the Jew-obsession, positive or negative, that’s just so … bizarre. And so completely irrational. There are only 14 million of us in the world! It makes sense for us to believe we’re super-special and important — that’s normal narcissism — but why would anyone else?

    I’m less crazy about Netanyahu than many others on Ricochet — I think he’s been a less than effective politician, judging by results — but that moment at the UN was quite stunning.

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  21. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Editor
    Claire Berlinski, Ed.
    @Claire

    Front Seat Cat: Obama blocked John Kerry from attending Netanyahu’s speech at the UN

    I saw the same report, but wouldn’t necessarily draw the obvious conclusion from it: It will be years before we see the archives and know what Obama and Kerry are thinking right now, but if they’re even tangentially connected to reality — and who knows — Bibi’s speech truly shouldn’t be their priority. The only place they belong right now is an emergency NSC meeting.

    Can you imagine what they’re really thinking? I can’t. I have no insight. Maybe Obama truly is bloodless. But when the entire world is repeating that line about him having been “made into Putin’s prison bitch,” I can’t imagine that even he is immune to a certain amount of brooding, at least.

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  22. Robert Lux Inactive
    Robert Lux
    @RobertLux

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    Robert Lux: If I encounter another Noam Chomsky* inspired jackass telling me Israel is cause of the ME’s problems, is an Apartheid state, etc., I’m going to punch the him in the face.

    It won’t work. He’ll still believe it. I’ve come to the conclusion that this – above any other lunatic belief in the world — is the one that’s most resistant to revision. Why? We could ask ourselves for generations and write volumes about it (and many of us have), but there’s just something about anti-Semitism that seems to be hardwired into our species. I don’t even fret that much about it anymore — honestly — I just accept it as a fact of life, like death and taxes. I find philo-Semites as weird (if certainly not as dangerous and obviously vastly more welcome) as anti-Semites: It’s the Jew-obsession, positive or negative, that’s just so … bizarre.

    The people I encounter with anti-Israeli views aren’t anti-Semitic (can’t stand that word by the way; should be expunged from the language; was invented by a German pedant to sound scientific; cf. Strauss, “Why We Remain Jews”;  “Jew hatred” should be the proper term).  They aren’t Jew haters at all. They just have read some Chomsky, they read the Guardian, they read Avi Shlaim, etc.  Israel is the aggressor state, they confiscated Palestinian property, Israel was conceived in sin, etc.

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  23. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Editor
    Claire Berlinski, Ed.
    @Claire

    Robert Lux: The people I encounter with anti-Israeli views aren’t anti-Semitic

    Okay, let’s for the purpose of this discussion replace the word “anti-Semitic” with “the belief that Jews have a supernatural and disproportionate capacity for malice.” I dare say that the only way anyone with the intelligence sufficient to tie his own shoelaces could at this point believe that Israel is the cause of the Middle East’s problems is by holding that initial belief. Because it’s otherwise quite unbelievably illogical, is it not?

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  24. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
    CB Toder aka Mama Toad
    @CBToderakaMamaToad

    Question for you: do you know who was clapping? Bibi tells them to stop, looks like, at 36:40 after he makes a Yogi Berra reference.

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  25. katievs Inactive
    katievs
    @katievs

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:…there’s just something about anti-Semitism that seems to be hardwired into our species. I don’t even fret that much about it anymore — honestly — I just accept it as a fact of life, like death and taxes. I find philo-Semites as weird (if certainly not as dangerous and obviously vastly more welcome) as anti-Semites: It’s the Jew-obsession, positive or negative, that’s just so … bizarre. And so completely irrational.

    It doesn’t seem so to me. They’re the chosen race; the one God made his own, and in and through whom He revealed the ultimate dignity of human life as made in His image and likeness.

    So, the devil hates them, and so will every tyrant and every individual who has issues with God and/or humanity—everyone who wants reality subjugated to his will.

    And those who see in the Jewish people the embodiment of the mystery of God’s plan of salvation for the world will love them. Add consideration of their disproportionate achievements in every field of endeavor, and who (who doesn’t have God issues) can help being fascinated and charmed and maybe envious?

    It’s not strictly rational (in the enlightenment sense), but it’s not irrational either. More like supra-rational, imo.

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  26. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Editor
    Claire Berlinski, Ed.
    @Claire

    katievs: It doesn’t seem so to me. They’re the chosen race;

    We really just wanted to be a normal people.

    Yrs,

    The old-fashioned kind of Zionist.

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  27. John Penfold Member
    John Penfold
    @IWalton

    katievs:

    I’m not a believer, but this  particular kind of evil and it’s monomaniacal focus makes you wonder.  I think Chesterton made a similar point about the enemies of Christianity.

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  28. katievs Inactive
    katievs
    @katievs

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    katievs: It doesn’t seem so to me. They’re the chosen race;

    We really just wanted to be a normal people.

    Yrs,

    The old-fashioned kind of Zionist.

    I understand the feeling. Reminds me of a story about St. Teresa of Avila. She complained furiously to God when she fell in the mud. God says, “This is the way I treat my friends.” She replied, “Then it’s no wonder you have so few!”

    Like it or not, though, you’re no normal people. Never were and never will be.

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  29. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    Katieva – it’s funny but I never gave any thought about a Christian’s relationship with the Jew and they probably don’t toward us – that changed for me in 2000 when I worked for a large international consulting firm – a co-worker told me about the Bill Koenig news site – never heard of – Koenig had a history of the Jews and a map etc.

    I read it all (it was long)  and was never the same – something changed – how stupid? It was all there in my Bible for decades – the one given when you are about 8 years old at church with your name on it? I had no real connection until I read that history and looked at the map. No Jew – no Christian – Jesus was Jewish as were most of the apostles, the Bible has both Old Testament and New – there’s no separation – we’re stuck with each other – like Siamese Twins joined at the hip (as I call my sister and I).

    When you realize it, it is huge and your love for Israel and the Jews are like discovering a side of the family you knew was there, but never met, and suddenly you have all these new relatives – that’s how I felt. It was a good feeling.

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  30. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    PS – note to Claire – the picture and text do not appear when you scroll through Ricochet articles until you hit the read on button – only the headline

    all fixed – maybe it was on my end

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