Czar Wars

 

King-World-News-Paul-Craig-Roberts-Putins-Ultimate-Move-To-Crush-The-EU-And-NATO1-1728x800_c-840x420I don’t mean to ruin anyone’s morale, but I’m going to, anyway. I understand that some of you may be thinking, “Why not let Putin fight ISIS? Better him than us, wouldn’t you say? Especially since all we seem to be able to do is make more of them. Right?”

Well, sure, if that’s what he were doing. But it’s not.

MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor fighter jets, Su-30 fighters, Su-25 attack planes, Su-24 bombers, Su-34 bombers, Su-27 Flanker interceptor fighter jets, an Il-20 spy plane, armored vehicles, and SA-15 and SA-22 surface-to-air missiles? As David Axe puts it (understatedly) that’s “not really optimal for attacking lightly armed insurgent fighters.” And as he further notes, correctly, “Surface-to-air missiles are only good for destroying enemy aircraft, which Syrian rebels do not possess. And the Su-30s are best suited for tangling with other high-tech forces.”

In other words, folks, Putin’s there to wage war on us, not ISIS. Get it?

Or at the very least, he’s there to make sure there won’t be a safe zone along the border from Jarablus to Azaz. Sending interceptor fighter jets to Syria makes no sense unless you’re planning to intercept jets. ISIS, Nusra, and Ahrar al-Sham don’t have jets to intercept. QED.

It gets worse. David Ropkoth is right about this:

When Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, met with journalists in New York last Friday, he took pains to note that Iran and Russia were not joining together in a “coalition” in Syria. They were sharing intelligence. They were discussing strategy. They were in constant communication. But a coalition? No.

Two days later, the Iraqi government announced it too was sharing intelligence with Russia, Iran, and Syria. So perhaps Rouhani was being literal in a different way when he disavowed being in a coalition with Russia — because what he was actually involved in was a coalition with Russia, Iraq, and Syria.

And it gets worse still if you imagine what logically comes next. What if Iran decides to openly sprint for a Bomb? What if they just throw off all pretense of compliance and go for it? And why wouldn’t they, given that Putin’s now declared himself Czar and Protector of the Shia axis? Think even the next president would try to stop that? Direct conflict with Iran and Russia? As Trump might say, “I’m the most militaristic person there is” — but that wouldn’t be militaristic, that would be stupid. And suicidal.

And also by the way, that above-linked DHS report is full of cheering news:

Despite a year of U.S. and allied airstrikes, the group has held most of its territory and continues to replenish its ranks with outside recruits. Military officials estimate airstrikes have killed around 10,000 extremists, but new foreign fighters replace them almost as quickly as they are killed. ISIS has also grown from a single terrorist sanctuary to having a direct presence, affiliates, or groups pledging support in 18 countries. The organization is believed to have inspired or directed nearly 60 terrorist plots or attacks against Western countries, including 15 in the United States. Some of these were masterminded by foreign fighters based in Syria, while others were carried out by returnees themselves or homegrown extremists.  … When the strikes began, counterterrorism officials estimated the total number of extremists was around 15,000. .. Today the figure stands at 25,000-plus foreign fighters.

Also, as you’ve probably heard, Kunduz fell to the Taliban. First provincial capital to fall to them since 2001.

And sorry to be just a complete Daisy Downer, but it gets even worse. Because Congress can’t pass a budget. (You had one job.) So the military might have to operate under last year’s spending plan.

According to Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook, “hope remains that lawmakers will strike a deal to fund the government when the fiscal year ends Sept. 30.” He “insisted the situation was not yet dire enough to warn defense employees of the potential fallout.” Well, that’s what he should say, we hardly want him shrieking hysterically for the whole world to hear, but we can read between the lines, I reckon:

… So, Mr. President, kind of looks to me like we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed. … Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. …

If you think I’m being unduly pessimistic, feel free to correct me. I’d love to feel better about this, but I just can’t see why I should.

 

 

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  1. MikeHs Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    MikeHs:OK, out of left field so to speak, is there any chance that Putin is also doing this to counter any possible Israeli air attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities? I’m no expert on anything in the Middle East, but if the Russians start building air bases in Syria and I was an Israeli, I would be concerned, I think.

    I would be too. And not just because of the possibility of countering strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities — think about what might be coming out of Syria. About what already has. I reckon they’re hysterical.

    Ready-made heavy-handed fist right on their border.  And we’re pulling back US Navy elements?

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  2. Valiuth Member
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    MarciN:

    Valiuth: This is why I can’t wrap my brain around Trump supporters. Have they heard his answers on Syria and Putin! Does that sound remotely educated to them?

    Who comes the closest to saying something accurate about our foreign policy?

    So I ask you most sincerely, which candidate do you like?

    From what I have heard I can break down the current list of people into three groups. People that leave me hopeful, people who leave me troubled, and people who I haven’t heard from.

    Rubio, Carley, Lindsy, and Christie sound serious to me. The following people I don’t recall them saying anything on this issue that I have heard or if I heard it that made me feel either confident or troubled Jeb!, Cruz, Huck, Santorum, Jindal, Pataki, Kasich, or that Virginia guy. Rand, Carson, and Trump have left me seriously troubled by their view’s or their inability to articulate them well.

    I have said before and will again that Rubio is my guy. I think he is very thoughtful and correct on foreign policy. He sees what is happening clearly and I think he shares my thinking about what should be done. I trust him to do the right thing and also to be able to explain that in a convincing and correct manner.

    I agree with you that much of what Romney said about foreign policy back in 2012 has proven true.

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    Valiuth: I agree with you that much of what Romney said about foreign policy back in 2012 has proven true.

    The 80’s called.  They want to know if we want a second-hand foreign policy.

    Only used once, but it went undefeated.

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  4. billy Inactive
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    Fred Cole:

    billy:

    Fred Cole:

    billy:

    Fred Cole:Does anyone know how to tell an SU-27 and an SU-34 apart?My understanding is that the latter is the ground attack variant of the former. These interceptors that people are fretting about could just be misidentified SU-34s.

    That being said, if I were deploying forces, I’d include interceptors and SAMs. Not only are there other nations flying aircraft in the area, but I’ve seen reports of Isis operating captured aircraft.

    So nothing to see here, move along.

    You know, there’s more than enough things that the Russians do to take issue with. We don’t need to make up extra stuff.

    So the fact that we are being displaced by Russia as the dominant military power in the Middle East is just “made up extra stuff.”

    That is reassuring.

    Thank you.

    This is the kind of thing I mean. This hyper-ventilating over Russia.

    It’s not hyperventilating; it is recognizing reality. America’s role in the Mid-East is coming to an end.

    Maybe it is a good thing, maybe not. But it is ending.

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  5. Fred Cole Inactive
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    billy:It’s not hyperventilating; it is recognizing reality. America’s role in the Mid-East is coming to an end.

    I’m sorry, but your hyperbole simply has no relation to actual facts.

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  6. Manfred Arcane Inactive
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    Valiuth:

    MarciN:

    Valiuth: …

    From what I have heard I can break down the current list of people into three groups. People that leave me hopeful, people who leave me troubled, and people who I haven’t heard from.

    Rubio, Carley, Lindsy, and Christie sound serious to me. The following people I don’t recall them saying anything on this issue that I have heard or if I heard it that made me feel either confident or troubled Jeb!, Cruz, Huck, Santorum, Jindal, Pataki, Kasich, …

    I have said before and will again that Rubio is my guy. I think he is very thoughtful and correct on foreign policy. He sees what is happening clearly …. I trust him to do the right thing and also to be able to explain that in a convincing and correct manner.

    I agree with you that much of what Romney said about foreign policy back in 2012 has proven true.

    I had always liked Rubio, but maybe because I haven’t heard him in a while, I am losing some enthusiasm.  He seems to be falling into the conventional knee-jerk reaction posture to ISIS and stuff, when a subtle mind might see much opportunity here.  I don’t want another G.W.Bush-type (much as I liked him personally) who basically is led around by the nose by AQ and other bad actors.  On my score card, when Muslims are slaughtering Muslims, we are winning.

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  7. Manfred Arcane Inactive
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    James Gawron:

    ctlaw:

    James Gawron:Claire,

    …. The Russians aren’t completely incompetent. They may be able to jam the iron dome radar for all I know.

    Will President Obama be giving the command to interpose the sixth fleet???????????

    Regards,

    Jim

    Iron Dome is unique to the limited nuisance firing that Hamas does. It can engage one or two short range ballistic rockets at a time. In a real war, one fires hundreds of those at a time.

    Iron Dome is likely not useful against any of the longer range things a real military would be firing at Israel.

    Other Israeli defensive tiers (e.g., the Arrow ATBM) likely can be saturated either by salvos of medium-long range missiles or short range rockets.

    It might be possible to engage a few medium range missiles fired from Northern Lebanon or Iran, but not if you are simultaneously facing a rocket artillery barrage from Gaza and Southern Lebanon.

    CT,

    Well there you have it. No need for anything as sophisticated as radar jamming. You just fire a whole lot of missiles at once. …

    So once again. Where is the American sixth fleet??????????

    Regards,

    Jim

    Relax already.  Russia messing with the Israelis would be like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor.  We would engage on Israel’s behalf and then NATO would be poised to back us up if Russia dared retaliate.  Not that we would need backup, of course.

    And, of course, GOP’s prospects in 2016 just went up by ~20%.

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  8. Manfred Arcane Inactive
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    Manfred Arcane:

    James Gawron:

    ctlaw:

    James Gawron:Claire,

    Jim

    Iron Dome is unique to the limited nuisance firing that Hamas does. It can engage one or two short range ballistic rockets at a time. In a real war, one fires hundreds of those at a time.

    Iron Dome is likely not useful against any of the longer range things a real military would be firing at Israel.

    Other Israeli defensive tiers (e.g., the Arrow ATBM) likely can be saturated either by salvos of medium-long range missiles or short range rockets.

    It might be possible to engage a few medium range missiles fired from Northern Lebanon or Iran, but not if you are simultaneously facing a rocket artillery barrage from Gaza and Southern Lebanon.

    CT,

    Well there you have it. No need for anything as sophisticated as radar jamming. You just fire a whole lot of missiles at once. …

    So once again. Where is the American sixth fleet??????????

    Regards,

    Jim

    Relax already. Russia messing with the Israelis would be like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. We would engage on Israel’s behalf and then NATO would be poised to back us up if Russia dared retaliate. Not that we would need backup, of course.

    And, of course, GOP’s prospects in 2016 just went up by ~20%.

    PS.  If Obama, (I know, not likely, eh) needed to send a message to the Russians, he could fast track Israel’s membership in NATO.  That would be fun.

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  9. James Gawron Inactive
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    ctlaw:

    James Gawron:

    Dan Hanson:

    James Gawron:

    So once again. Where is the American sixth fleet??????????

    Regards,

    Jim

    Good point you brought up, but the answer is not very reassuring (as far as I can tell).

    As far as I can tell from the GoNavy site, Carrier Strike Group 12 has been in the Persian Gulf since April, but was scheduled to leave there yesterday. Its replacement, the carrier strike group that includes the CVN-75 Harry S. Truman, is still on a training exercise off North Carolina, and won’t be deploying to the Gulf for a month or two – meaning there is now a window of a couple of months where there will be no carriers in the Gulf at all.

    That sounds a little crazy given all that’s going on there, so I searched a little more and found this article:

    U.S. Carriers taking a break from fighting ISIS

    The US Navy may take a little breather from its fight with the Islamic State (IS) this fall, according to a new report from Navy Times. Although not a done deal, current plans are for Carrier Strike Group 12 (CSG 12), which includes the USS Theodore Roosevelt and a host of supporting ships and aircraft, to be pulled back before a replacement strike group can get on station. That’ll leave a month or two long gap in carrier coverage for the US Central Command, which is overseeing the fight against IS.

    The Roosevelt’s strike group, CSG 12, was deployed to the region in early April and is scheduled to be relieved by Carrier Strike Group 10 and the USS Harry S. Truman.

    This seems like spectacularly bad timing – or really good timing on the part of Putin.

    You can see the current carrier deployments here at the GoNavy site.

    Dan,

    NO!! Not the Gulf. The Eastern Mediterranean!! It doesn’t need to be a carrier group. This is close quarters, it can be missile battle cruisers. They need to be in position off the coast of Israel.

    NOW!

    Regards,

    Jim

    “Battlecruisers” had big guns. The missile era really screwed up the distinctions among classes of ships. Some people called the Soviet Kirov class “battlecruisers” because they were much larger than any other guided missile cruiser.

    “Cruisers” were historically ships that could cruise (long range without support). Battlecruisers were their apex.

    We still refer to “destroyers”, even though they got that name by destroying smaller torpedo boats. Many are now involved in air defense and become hard to distinguish from modern cruisers.

    CT,

    I am not up on all the proper nomenclature, however, I think I get the tactics. I want ship to ship missiles. As the Eastern Mediterranean and off the coast of Israel isn’t that big a space I’m quite sure this will hold them back. Of course, it would require a commander in chief who was a commander in chief not a camp counselor.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  10. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Manfred Arcane:

    Manfred Arcane:

    James Gawron:

    ctlaw:

    James Gawron:Claire,

    Jim

    Iron Dome is unique to the limited nuisance firing that Hamas does. It can engage one or two short range ballistic rockets at a time. In a real war, one fires hundreds of those at a time.

    Iron Dome is likely not useful against any of the longer range things a real military would be firing at Israel.

    Other Israeli defensive tiers (e.g., the Arrow ATBM) likely can be saturated either by salvos of medium-long range missiles or short range rockets.

    It might be possible to engage a few medium range missiles fired from Northern Lebanon or Iran, but not if you are simultaneously facing a rocket artillery barrage from Gaza and Southern Lebanon.

    CT,

    Well there you have it. No need for anything as sophisticated as radar jamming. You just fire a whole lot of missiles at once. …

    So once again. Where is the American sixth fleet??????????

    Regards,

    Jim

    Relax already. Russia messing with the Israelis would be like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. We would engage on Israel’s behalf and then NATO would be poised to back us up if Russia dared retaliate. Not that we would need backup, of course.

    And, of course, GOP’s prospects in 2016 just went up by ~20%.

    PS. If Obama, (I know, not likely, eh) needed to send a message to the Russians, he could fast track Israel’s membership in NATO. That would be fun.

    Every country other than Canada would blackball.

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  11. MarciN Member
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    Manfred Arcane: Relax already.  Russia messing with the Israelis would be like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor.  We would engage on Israel’s behalf and then NATO would be poised to back us up if Russia dared retaliate.  Not that we would need backup, of course. And, of course, GOP’s prospects in 2016 just went up by ~20%.

    You have the greatest attitude. :)

    I hope you’re right.

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  12. Manfred Arcane Inactive
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    ctlaw:

    Manfred Arcane:

    Manfred Arcane:

    James Gawron:

    ctlaw:

    James Gawron:Claire,

    Jim

    Iron Dome is unique to the limited nuisance firing that Hamas does. It can engage one or two short range ballistic rockets at a time. In a real war, one fires hundreds of those at a time.

    Iron Dome is likely not useful against any of the longer range things a real military would be firing at Israel.

    Other Israeli defensive tiers (e.g., the Arrow ATBM) likely can be saturated either by salvos of medium-long range missiles or short range rockets.

    It might be possible to engage a few medium range missiles fired from Northern Lebanon or Iran, but not if you are simultaneously facing a rocket artillery barrage from Gaza and Southern Lebanon.

    CT,

    Well there you have it. No need for anything as sophisticated as radar jamming. You just fire a whole lot of missiles at once. …

    So once again. Where is the American sixth fleet??????????

    Regards,

    Jim

    PS. If Obama, (I know, not likely, eh) needed to send a message to the Russians, he could fast track Israel’s membership in NATO. That would be fun.

    Every country other than Canada would blackball.

    Maybe.  But they really don’t count.  NATO only exists because we will it so.  The day we lose interest (and that day may be coming if we gain energy independence in 5 years with fracking), it withers and dies.

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  13. jetstream Inactive
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    Here’s a possible scenario. After Putin forces Obama to the role of observer in the Middle East, he opens a second front in the Ukraine. At that point will Obama even object? How many months until Russian tanks are on the western border of Ukraine?

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  14. Tedley Member
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    Dan Hanson: He can deny Israel the ability to fly to Iran.

    This has been my take since I first heard about it.

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  15. Manfred Arcane Inactive
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    Tedley:

    Dan Hanson: He can deny Israel the ability to fly to Iran.

    This has been my take since I first heard about it.

    This site:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2d4d41cc-615c-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#axzz3nFkVcrOY

    says that the anti-air assets are deployed to defend the airfield up North in Syria.  If so, doubtful Israeli’s would have any problem with them, as they could underfly easily, especially if SA allows overflight to Iran – as some ‘suggest’ might be arranged.

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  16. Quinn the Eskimo Member
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    jetstream:Here’s a possible scenario. After Putin forces Obama to the role of observer in the Middle East, he opens a second front in the Ukraine. At that point will Obama even object? How many months until Russian tanks are on the western border of Ukraine?

    Obama will write a letter expressing “serious concern” and then put it in Russia’s permanent record.

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  17. MikeHs Inactive
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    Manfred Arcane:

    Relax already. Russia messing with the Israelis would be like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor. We would engage on Israel’s behalf and then NATO would be poised to back us up if Russia dared retaliate. Not that we would need backup, of course.

    And, of course, GOP’s prospects in 2016 just went up by ~20%.

    If it ever got to a point where Russia would say that they might mess with Israel or deter Israel (and you can define those things a lot of different ways) then the strategic battle is probably over.

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  18. Tedley Member
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    Manfred Arcane:

    Tedley:

    Dan Hanson: He can deny Israel the ability to fly to Iran.

    This has been my take since I first heard about it.

    This site:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2d4d41cc-615c-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#axzz3nFkVcrOY

    says that the anti-air assets are deployed to defend the airfield up North in Syria. If so, doubtful Israeli’s would have any problem with them, as they could underfly easily, especially if SA allows overflight to Iran – as some ‘suggest’ might be arranged.

    That may be true at this point in time, although deployable assets can be adjusted on short notice.  What Dan and I are getting at is that having these sorts of forces in the region for an extended time may complicate or interfere with Israel’s ability to respond to Iran’s nuclear program.

    Another thought–as a power-broker in the Middle East, Russia can choose who it wants to support.  By all indications, right now it’s siding with Iran.  If Israel feels truly threatened by Iran, Israel might be willing to make concessions to Russia to allow it to strike the Iranian nuclear sites.  I don’t necessarily think that this is possible, but the fact that Bibi just went to Moscow means that nothing is off the table.

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  19. Manfred Arcane Inactive
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    Manfred Arcane:

    Tedley:

    Dan Hanson: He can deny Israel the ability to fly to Iran.

    This has been my take since I first heard about it.

    This site:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2d4d41cc-615c-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#axzz3nFkVcrOY

    says that the anti-air assets are deployed to defend the airfield up North in Syria. If so, doubtful Israeli’s would have any problem with them, as they could underfly easily, especially if SA allows overflight to Iran – as some ‘suggest’ might be arranged.

    So, in actuality, the Israelis might have far higher concern that the US would shut down an Israeli raid on Iran than Russians.  In fact, there is a provision in the Iran Nuclear “treaty” under review, maybe one of the secret codicils, that requires US to ‘defend’ Iran from hostile actions, of which this might easily be interpreted as one such.

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  20. MikeHs Inactive
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    From the Free Beacon:

    Following Russian Air Strikes, Israeli Defense Minister Says Israel Will Defend Its Interests in Syria

    Says country does not need permission from Russia

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/following-russian-air-strikes-israeli-defense-minister-says-israel-will-defend-its-interests-in-syria/

    BY: Abraham Rabinovich

    September 30, 2015 3:22 pm

    JERUSALEM—As Russian warplanes struck for the first time in Syria Wednesday and asked other foreign air forces to get out of the way, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon said Israel will defend its interests in Syria without seeking permission from Russia.

    “We have our interests and when they are threatened we will act and will continue to act,” he said. “This was made clear to the Russian president.”

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  21. billy Inactive
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    Fred Cole:

    billy:It’s not hyperventilating; it is recognizing reality. America’s role in the Mid-East is coming to an end.

    I’m sorry, but your hyperbole simply has no relation to actual facts.

     Vladimir Putin’s Russia, once described by John McCain as a “gas station pretending to be a country,” is now running circles around Mr. Obama – rushing to fill the power void left by American abdication in the Middle East.

    That is Mona Charen.

    Not billy.

    The hyperbolic, unhinged, talk radio-crazed Mona Charen, who is always going off on Putin and the Middle East.

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  22. Fred Cole Inactive
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    I like Mona, but she’s just wrong.

    Let me know when the US goes a month without dropping bombs in the Middle East, then we can talk about America’s role in the Middle East coming to an end.

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  23. billy Inactive
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    Fred Cole:I like Mona, but she’s just wrong.

    Let me know when the US goes a month without dropping bombs in the Middle East, then we can talk about America’s role in the Middle East coming to an end.

    Does any American action in the Mid-East have consequence?

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  24. Fred Cole Inactive
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    billy:

    Fred Cole:I like Mona, but she’s just wrong.

    Let me know when the US goes a month without dropping bombs in the Middle East, then we can talk about America’s role in the Middle East coming to an end.

    Does any American action in the Mid-East have consequence?

    I’m not sure I get your question.

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  25. Zafar Member
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    billy:

    Fred Cole:I like Mona, but she’s just wrong.

    Let me know when the US goes a month without dropping bombs in the Middle East, then we can talk about America’s role in the Middle East coming to an end.

    Does any American action in the Mid-East have consequence?

    Great power doesn’t mean omnipotence.

    A bit dated, but indicative:

    USMB

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  26. Roadrunner Member
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    Between Bush and Obama we have destabilized the entire region.  Iraq has become a stooge of Iran and won’t be returning to our orbit any time soon.  The guys we have backed don’t have any will to fight and our weapons end up with ISIS.  All those migrating young men just want to go to Europe and make mayhem.  They don’t want any part of fighting for a homeland.  Some think it is a great idea that the West takes these people in.  Our young men should not have to fight over on their turf again and we shouldn’t take a one of them unless they are Christian.  In Afghanistan, we are done as well.  The allies of Pakistan will win the day and the fraud of democracy in the Muslim world will be exposed one more time.  In the end we have been sustaining pederasts in abusing their young charges and nothing more.  It is important to remember that some really bright people with the best of credentials came up with this unsustainable strategy in the Middle East.  The appropriate feeling for this mess is despondence.  We smashed a balance of power with nothing rational to put in its place.  To our dismay we are watching a new balance being forged.  Our real choice ISIS or Iran and Russia?  The Baath party is looking pretty good about now.

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  27. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.:

    David Knights: I have no doubt that is what his force in Syria are planning to do.

    I wish him the best, and hope I’m wrong, but I don’t believe there’s any getting rid of ISIS without getting rid of Assad. We’ve dropped 5,000 bombs on them and managed only to double their ranks.

    But if the Russians want to give it their best shot, maybe it will keep them out of more trouble in Europe.

    Maybe it just means that Putin is in charge of the refugee spigot. If Europe doesn’t cooperate, he does things in Syria that sends floods of them. Greece (and Italy) has been threatening since the spring to let in floods of migrants and send them on to Germany (in particular) if the EU doesn’t stop talking austerity. I wonder if they’re coordinating with Putin.

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  28. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Roadrunner: The appropriate feeling for this mess is despondence.

    Well, yes, I’ve been wallowing in a touch of the ole’ despond myself, but look, that’s not going to solve a single problem. One thing the world does not need is Americans going into heavy-duty despair mode.

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  29. Byron Horatio Inactive
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    I don’t really disagree with any of the particulars, Claire. But I suspect Russia’s heavy military hardware is more a threat aimed at Turkish intervention in the north rather than say American. If this has the double effect of making Obama cower even more, well then all the better for Putin.

    Also, “lightly armed” insurgents is a bit murky of a description. ISIS does after all have hundreds of tanks and heavily armored vehicles.

    The Assyrian Diaspora seems mostly warm to Russian intervention as do the Kurds. The only worries from Christians there seems to be that ISIS will renew offensives against Assyrian lands for being friends to the Russian “crusaders.” But not that Putin is necessarily in the wrong.

    I suspect LTC Ralph Peters is correct in his assessment that Putin would prefer annihilating the FSA and Syrian opposition first leaving the next president with the fair accompli of choosing between Assad and ISIS (which seems to be the grim choice already).

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  30. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
    Claire Berlinski, Ed.
    @Claire

    Byron Horatio:I don’t really disagree with any of the particulars, Claire. But I suspect Russia’s heavy military hardware is more a threat aimed at Turkish intervention in the north rather than say American.

    That could be right.

    The Assyrian Diaspora seems mostly warm to Russian intervention as do the Kurds.The only worries from Christians there seems to be that ISIS will renew offensives against Assyrian lands for being friends to the Russian “crusaders.”But not that Putin is necessarily in the wrong.

    Wait until they learn what it’s like to be invaded by Russians. Historically, no one has positive memories of this. Whenever people suggest to me that the US and the Soviet invasions of Afghanistan were similar things, I ask them how they explain this:

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