Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Bad News for Team Perry

 
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Who wouldn’t want to see this guy sitting across from the Iranians?

Former Texas Governor Rick Perry has perhaps the best résumé in the presidential field. His state created 1.5 million jobs in the past eight years, he balanced his state’s budget every year, and he lowered taxes 75 times. He’s a veteran, tough on the border, and so pro-second amendment he shoots coyotes on his morning jog. Despite his bad experience with debating on back pain meds in 2012, his compelling history should make him a shoo-in for the top tier of the 2016 race.

But in a 17-person field where media oxygen is dominated by a reality-show blowhard and big donations are hoovered up by a presidential scion, it’s tough for even an alpha candidate like Perry to make headway. Poor polling forced him to last week’s kiddie-table debate which had only a third of the viewers as the main event later that night. Despite Perry’s strong performance, Carly Fiorina turned in an even better performance which attracted most of the post-broadcast attention.

After his campaign raised just over $1 million in the second quarter, times are getting tight around Perry HQ:

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s campaign team in South Carolina is no longer being paid by his presidential campaign, National Journal has learned.

“Pay is only one reason people do this,” Katon Dawson, Perry’s South Carolina state director said in an interview. “We’ll be able to live off the land for a while.”

It is not clear if or when paychecks will start backing up for Perry’s team in South Carolina. Dawson said that Perry staffers in the state “have been paid up to two weeks ago.”

Dawson said core members of Team Perry, including himself, will continue to work, even if unpaid. He said Walter Whetsell and Le Frye, two top Perry operatives in the state, are among those still working.

“We’ll do it whether there’s pay or no pay,” Dawson said. In addition to the pay freeze, at least one Perry staffer was let go last week. Dawson said that move was unrelated to any “financial discomfort.”

On the plus side, Perry’s super PAC has raised about $17 million; certainly not Jeb! numbers, but impressive given the sprawling GOP field. Unless they can use that money to boost Perry’s profile fast, the swaggering Texan might be running out of time.

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  1. Guruforhire Member

    After 2012 did anybody really think he had a chance?

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:30 PM PDT
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  2. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive

    There is something seriously wrong when a man with Rick Perry’s record cannot get traction in a presidential race while Donald Trump can. Somethings make me weep for my nation.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:31 PM PDT
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  3. Frozen Chosen Inactive

    I thought it was quite humiliating for Perry to be at the JV debate last week. Carly is an up-and-comer and the rest of the JV squad were no chancers so you can understand them being there. But Perry was really the one candidate who should’ve gotten in the top 10. I realize that Kasich and Christy barely nudged him out but miss by an inch miss by a mile in this case.

    Oh well, he’s too old and ineloquent to win against Hillary anyway. I agree that he’s got a great track record and would probably make a good president but it’s all about electability in 2016 and Rick just ain’t got it.

    Riiick!

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:32 PM PDT
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  4. Bereket Kelile Member
    Bereket Kelile Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:But in a 17-person field where media oxygen is dominated by a reality-show blowhard and big donations are hoovered up by a presidential scion, it’s tough for even an alpha candidate like Perry to make headway.

    From my boss’ Facebook feed:

    At the doctor today.Doctor: “I feel sorry for you Republicans. Trump just sucks all the oxygen out of the room.”Me: “Fortunately, our most reliable voters carry their own oxygen around with them on those little carts.”

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:35 PM PDT
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  5. Guruforhire Member

    The moment his career as a national figure died.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/perry-i-dont-think-you-have-heart-if-you-oppose-state-tuition-children-illegal-immigrants_594080.html

    He never had a chance. He is just stealing people’s money at this point.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:39 PM PDT
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  6. Commodore BTC Inactive

    Perry proves the most important skill for winning a presidential election is the ability to give speeches and to respond to questions extemporaneously. This is unfortunate, but true.

    Perry simply can’t sell his record.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:40 PM PDT
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  7. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Shoots coyotes? I thought that was Trump’s thing.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:43 PM PDT
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  8. Larry3435 Member

    What does it mean to say he lowered taxes 75 times? I hear that kind of number tossed around all the time, and I never believe it. What, did he lower them a penny at a time? If he had been a Senator and claimed that he voted to lower taxes 75 times I would assume that he was counting the motion to close debate on the amendment to return the bill to committee for reconsideration, or something. But a Governor?

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:53 PM PDT
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  9. Freesmith Inactive

    Governor Perry hasn’t been able to crack my personal “candidate line-up card” for a number of reasons:

    • He’s weak on legal immigration
    • He made a self-consciously over-the-top attack on Trump, pretending Trump was McCarthy and he was Edward R. Murrow
    • He’s weak on sanctuary cities, several of which exist in his state
    • He made a speech on race, the cliche conservative maneuver to be taken seriously by Washington
    • He’s for in-state tuition for illegals
    • He’s weak on legal immigration

    He was a good governor for the times and in the parlance of my home state he knows the importance of a good bidniss climate. But there’s that bleeding-heart element messing up what is otherwise a man’s man. It simply undermines the impressive front.

    See’ya!

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:54 PM PDT
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  10. Neil Hansen (Klaatu) Inactive

    Larry3435:What does it mean to say he lowered taxes 75 times? I hear that kind of number tossed around all the time, and I never believe it. What, did he lower them a penny at a time? If he had been a Senator and claimed that he voted to lower taxes 75 times I would assume that he was counting the motion to close debate on the amendment to return the bill to committee for reconsideration, or something. But a Governor?

    My guess is he signed 75 bills that lowered one tax or another.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:55 PM PDT
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  11. Leigh Member

    The 17 candidates include at least seven or eight whom I honestly would have respected more if they had sat out.

    Perry is not one of them. I do not think he could have won — but a serious party would consider him seriously.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:57 PM PDT
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  12. E. Kent Golding Member

    Basil Fawlty:Shoots coyotes? I thought that was Trump’s thing.

    Perry shoots the K9s and Trump shoots the women

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    • August 10, 2015, at 4:59 PM PDT
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  13. HeartofFLA Inactive

    Sometimes someone’s window of opportunity has closed but unfortunately for a lot of these candidates someone else is standing there telling them that they have a viable shot. Usually these same someones are political consultants getting paid to tell them that and/or family and friends.

    This presidential cycle someone needs to tell the following people the window is closed, your 15 minutes of fame/political capitol has expired. Thanks for playing:

    Rick Santorum

    George Pataki

    Jim Gilmore

    Lindsay Graham (he needs to leave the senate)

    Mike Huckabee

    Rand Paul (he needs to stay in the Senate)

    Jeb Bush (you can thank your Dad and brother)

    Rick Perry (he’s on the border…yup, pun intended)

    Everyone else still, at the early stage, has a decent shot at President or VP. Ask me again in November. The herd will start to be culled by then.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 5:08 PM PDT
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  14. Freesmith Inactive

    Jon Gabriel: :…he’s tough on the border…”

    I just love that description of Perry. It encapsulates the cognitive dissonance present between political conservatives and the real thing, the folks that Jim Geraghty today correctly called – but inaccurately described – Middle American Radicals.

    Everybody is “tough on the border.” Everybody believes that “existing laws should be enforced.” Even John McCain said “Build the dang fence!” way back in 2010.

    And yet…and yet…

    Our conservative leaders get together and promise not amnesty – no, never amnesty! – but only a bill to help regularize those here illegally who, we are assured, will have to pay back taxes, get in line, learn English and pay a penalty.

    Which of course the Democrats will meekly acquiesce to.

    Oh, yes, one more thing: for acceding to this Draconian “toughness” the Democrats get to double the amount of legal immigrants allowed in per year, to two million.

    Two million mostly Third World new Americans every year.

    Forever.

    Because what is more conservative than the fundamental transformation of the ethnic and cultural make-up of a society? Look back on world history – hasn’t every great nation done exactly that in order to prosper?

    Why, no. None has.

    What on earth do white Americans have in their cultural patrimony that should be conserved? Gee, let me think….

    “Tough on the border,” my ass.

    I continue to wait for the candidate with the heart, soul and brains to say, clearly and forcefully:

    “Today, America needs fewer immigrants.”

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    • August 10, 2015, at 5:24 PM PDT
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  15. Leigh Member

    Freesmith, what if the candidate believes that — but says it far more cautiously and carefully, because that’s his style? What if he’s changed position on this issue recently — but if you look closely at his record you can find a few hints that make the change less surprising, and evidence that he means what he says? Do you need numbers, or — given the choices on the table — would you allow him the space to run the campaign as he felt best rather than pressing for politically challenging specifics?

    If he says “I want to do something about legal immigration too,” is he on the right track?

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    • August 10, 2015, at 5:54 PM PDT
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  16. Vance Richards Member
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    The thing is, we elect people not resumés. Perry is the one I wanted to like in the beginning of all this, but the more I see of him the less impressed I am.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 6:04 PM PDT
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  17. Batjac Inactive

    Frozen Chosen:…but it’s all about electability in 2016…

    Yea, heard that one before in ’08 and ’12

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    • August 10, 2015, at 6:04 PM PDT
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  18. Done Contributor

    I would not call his performance in the debate strong. It was completely pedestrian.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM PDT
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  19. Freesmith Inactive

    Leigh

    Why be coy? Is coyness this mystery candidate’s style?

    Do you think there is something wrong or dangerous in stating the Five Little Words, words that will tell the voters that someone has broken out of the cookie-cutter mold of Washington ruling class group-think?

    Well, now that I put it that way, maybe you do – if you’re a political conservative.

    But what recently has given you the conviction that glib diffidence pays when all the evidence indicates that in 2015-16 fortune favors the bold?

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    • August 10, 2015, at 6:24 PM PDT
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  20. Dave Sussman Contributor

    Frank Soto:I would not call his performance in the debate strong. It was completely pedestrian.

    Agreed. I like Perry. He was a good Governor. He seems like a good man. He may be a good President. His biggest problem is that he is a lousy debater.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 6:46 PM PDT
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  21. Manny Member

    It’s too bad he’s struggling. He’s actually my second pick. I go with the two governors with the best resumes, Perry and Bush. But unfortunately people in this day and age want style over substance, character, or record. And to my shock, even conservatives in this election cycle are looking to style over substance. I wish Perry well. Hope he can recover.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 7:02 PM PDT
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  22. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    Basil Fawlty:Shoots coyotes? I thought that was Trump’s thing.

    Yuk. Well, Trump is out for blood … or whatever. Who knows what he’ll say next.

    Rick Perry is “tough on the border”.

    In what universe?

    I don’t think governors really have the ability to be tough on the border anyway. That’s a foreign policy issue.

    He had his chance to pretend to be tough on the border back during the 8 years when George W. Bush was president and during the 2012 election.

    However, the only two candidates that rank higher than him at numbersusa.com on the issue of immigration are Santorum, who I think is polling even worse that Perry, and Scott Walker.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

    Perry did mention the issue of “states rights” in the last campaign. I think that’s about the only thing that can save this country from a giant divorce. Today the country has few, if any, moderate politicians and citizens. States that lose national elections do not wish to be governed by the winners in such a harsh and brutal way.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 7:45 PM PDT
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  23. Dr. Strangelove Thatcher
    Dr. Strangelove Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Bereket Kelile: At the doctor today.Doctor: “I feel sorry for you Republicans. Trump just sucks all the oxygen out of the room.”Me: “Fortunately, our most reliable voters carry their own oxygen around with them on those little carts.”

    Heh, I’d say thing about the Dem candidates!

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    • August 10, 2015, at 7:48 PM PDT
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  24. Johnnie Alum 13 Coolidge

    The old anecdote of a conversation between Perry and Jeb!

    Perry to Jeb!: If your last name wasn’t Bush, then you’d be president.

    Jeb! to Perry: If you weren’t governor of Texas, then you’d be president.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 8:01 PM PDT
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  25. Casey Inactive

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: should make him a shoo-in for the top tier of the 2016 race.

    What is it about following politics that makes people say ridiculous things like this?

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    • August 10, 2015, at 8:07 PM PDT
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  26. The Reticulator Member

    I still like Rick Perry.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 9:13 PM PDT
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  27. Petty Boozswha Inactive

    Maybe he could be Secretary of Homeland Security, but I worry about his comment about building a 15 foot fence will just sell 16 foot ladders.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 9:28 PM PDT
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  28. James Of England Moderator
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    If Perry were great, he would run honestly. He has plenty of achievements. Instead the fence opponent who boosted spending (both for sound reasons!) ran on his history of fence demanding and spending cuts. Against a ton of governors who actually cut spending.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 10:39 PM PDT
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  29. Ball Diamond Ball Inactive

    Bereket Kelile:

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:But in a 17-person field where media oxygen is dominated by a reality-show blowhard and big donations are hoovered up by a presidential scion, it’s tough for even an alpha candidate like Perry to make headway.

    From my boss’ Facebook feed:

    Leigh:Freesmith, what if the candidate believes that — but says it far more cautiously and carefully, because that’s his style? What if he’s changed position on this issue recently — but if you look closely at his record you can find a few hints that make the change less surprising, and evidence that he means what he says? Do you need numbers, or — given the choices on the table — would you allow him the space to run the campaign as he felt best rather than pressing for politically challenging specifics?

    If he says “I want to do something about legal immigration too,” is he on the right track?

    No need to go inventing things.

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    • August 10, 2015, at 10:44 PM PDT
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  30. Ball Diamond Ball Inactive

    Frozen Chosen: but it’s all about electability in 2016

    Sounds familiar, no?

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    • August 10, 2015, at 10:45 PM PDT
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