Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Why Not Joe?

 

From David Catanese at U.S. News and World ReportJBHRC:

Vice President Joe Biden has still not ruled out a 2016 presidential run and will make his intentions known by Aug. 1, according to two Democratic sources who have been in contact with his family.

Put yourself in Joe Biden’s shoes for a minute. You’re 72 years old, meaning that, barring a successful White House bid, your political career is over — and, as such, you have nothing to lose from ending up on the wrong side of the Clinton machine. You’re a guy who loves the give-and-take of retail politics at a time when the Democratic frontrunner is the Queen of Hearts. You’ve got a plausible appeal to blue-collar voters while Hillary Clinton is looking more like Leona Helmsley every day. And yeah, your foreign policy instincts may be less than stellar, but at least you never telegraphed to the public that the murder of an American ambassador abroad was tragic only insofar as it was an inconvenience for you.

My question: weighing all those factors — and recognizing the implicit discomfort with the Clinton candidacy that only seems to be growing within the Democratic Party — why on earth wouldn’t you take a flyer on this?

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  1. Fred Cole Member

    I’ve always thought he would.

    People treat him like a clown, but the man is a very skilled politician.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:07 PM PDT
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  2. Troy Senik Contributor
    Troy Senik

    Fred Cole:People treat him like a clown, but the man is a very skilled politician.

    “People treat him like a clown, and the man is a very skilled politician”

    Fixed it for you.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:09 PM PDT
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  3. Fred Cole Member

    Well, the clown thing tends to obscure his skills. Thus the “but”.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:12 PM PDT
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  4. Capt. Spaulding Member
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    I have a relative, an NPR devotee, who asked the same question. It seems the drumbeat of negative Hillary revelations has made her think twice. Why is Hillary the automatic choice, she wondered. I think she would jump at the chance to vote for Joe.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:22 PM PDT
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  5. Lash LaRoche Inactive

    Is he clean and articulate?

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:27 PM PDT
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  6. Tuck Inactive

    My, how low we’ve sunk, that I look at the prospect of a Biden presidency with a feeling of some relief…

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:28 PM PDT
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  7. Lash LaRoche Inactive

    Impressive speaking skills, indeed.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:30 PM PDT
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  8. Brian Clendinen Member
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    Let be honest who would be the better president. Biden is actually able to compromise and work with a Republican congress. Hillary work with a Republican controlled congress, yay right.

    It is pretty sad that Biden would actually be the lesser of all evils as president when you look at the current democrat presidential bench.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:31 PM PDT
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  9. Vance Richards Member
    Vance RichardsJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    What’s that old saying, “Sixth time’s a charm”?

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:32 PM PDT
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  10. Lash LaRoche Inactive

    Well, if he doesn’t get elected president, he can always cut commercials for The Villages.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:32 PM PDT
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  11. Profile Photo Member

    But why is he running? Besides personal ambition, of course. Is he going to run as a continuation of the Obama administration? As something different? As simply not-Hillary?

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:40 PM PDT
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  12. George Savage Contributor

    Clownishness and creepiness aside, Biden’s strength is that he at least goes through the motions of obeying America’s now lapsed commandment for aspirants to high office: Thou Shalt Appear to Be A Regular Guy. There was a time when even a leftist intent on elected god-king status in this country was required to kiss babies, shake hands, answer impertinent questions from reporters and deflect barbs from opposition supporters crashing a campaign event.

    Today’s leading Democrat takes a decidedly different approach to retail politics.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:46 PM PDT
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  13. Fred Cole Member

    Brian Clendinen:Let be honest who would be the better president. Biden is actually able to compromise and work with a Republican congress. Hillary work with a Republican controlled congress, yay right.

    It is pretty sad that Biden would actually be the lesser of all evils as president when you look at the current democrat presidential bench.

    I wouldn’t say “better.” The danger of Biden is that he’d get things done.

    On the plus side, he’s not a super ideologue, and he’s willing to compromise. So there are certain things like entitlement reform and immigration reform that he might be able to get done.

    He’s got that long-time senator mindset where accomplishing things means passing sweeping grandiose legislation.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:53 PM PDT
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  14. The Question Inactive

    Strange as it is, if I was forced to pick a President among the possible Democratic candidates (Clinton, Sanders, O’Malley, Chafee, Warren) I think he would be the one I would have to go with. That’s not saying much, of course. NOTE: I didn’t read Brian’s comment before I wrote that. I guess we had similar thoughts.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 2:57 PM PDT
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  15. Eustace C. Scrubb Member

    LITERALLY, the best Democrat option.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:00 PM PDT
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  16. Troy Senik Contributor
    Troy Senik

    Mike LaRoche:Is he clean and articulate?

    ‘Clean’ was always the weirdest part of that formulation.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:05 PM PDT
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  17. Troy Senik Contributor
    Troy Senik

    Brian Clendinen:Let be honest who would be the better president. Biden is actually able to compromise and work with a Republican congress.

    Yep. I’ve always thought it was telling that when Mitch McConnell asked the Obama Administration, “Does anyone down there know how to make a deal?” Joe was the one whose number got called.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:10 PM PDT
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  18. Mendel Member
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    Now that we’ve had the first black president, I don’t think the current zeitgeist of the Democratic Party will allow them to nominate an old white guy again anytime soon.

    Thus, I see only one option remaining for Biden: come out as a trans-woman.

    He could then claim to be both the first female president and the first trans president, making Hillary look downright reactionary with her boring cis-womanhood. Besides, wearing a dress would be far from the strangest thing Biden has ever done in public.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:17 PM PDT
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  19. Troy Senik Contributor
    Troy Senik

    Michael Sanregret:Strange as it is, if I was forced to pick a President among the possible Democratic candidates (Clinton, Sanders, O’Malley, Chafee, Warren) I think he would be the one I would have to go with. That’s not saying much, of course. NOTE: I didn’t read Brian’s comment before I wrote that. I guess we had similar thoughts.

    Yeah, I think so too. It’d probably be Jim Webb if he gets in, although he wasn’t nearly as heterodox a Democrat in the Senate as you would have expected given his rhetoric.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:18 PM PDT
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  20. Arahant Member

    In the Senate, wasn’t he to the left of Hillary Clinton? I thought he and Obama were #1 and #2 with the most liberal records.

    Still, Joe would certainly liven things up.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:20 PM PDT
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  21. Arahant Member

    Mendel:Now that we’ve had the first black president, I don’t think the current zeitgeist of the Democratic Party will allow them to nominate an old white guy again anytime soon.

    Thus, I see only one option remaining for Biden: come out as a trans-woman.

    He could then claim to be both the first female president and the first trans president, making Hillary look downright reactionary with her boring cis-womanhood. Besides, wearing a dress would be far from the strangest thing Biden has ever done in public.

    And, since many trans-types are not homo-sexual to start with, he could be the first trans-lesbian-woman President. Sorry, Jill, you’ll just have to sacrifice.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:22 PM PDT
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  22. Vance Richards Member
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    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:Is he clean and articulate?

    ‘Clean’ was always the weirdest part of that formulation.

    I remember after Biden made that comment Al Sharpton said, “I take a bath every day.”

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:23 PM PDT
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  23. Seawriter Contributor

    Why does the idea of Joe Biden running for Prez bring up the following juxtaposition?

    1. Joe-Biden-lap

    2.

    Seawriter

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    • June 18, 2015, at 3:29 PM PDT
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  24. Palaeologus Inactive

    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:Is he clean and articulate?

    ‘Clean’ was always the weirdest part of that formulation.

    I’ve always wondered if that bit was staged to make older whites comfortable with Obama. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but these guys do tend to run campaigns like tv dramas, and don’t have particularly high opinions of voters.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 5:15 PM PDT
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  25. billy Inactive

    The Biden-Trump debates would be spectacular.

    Since America is toast anyway, let’s have a few laughs while we watch the Republic fade away,

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    • June 18, 2015, at 5:33 PM PDT
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  26. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge

    Well, nothing says fresh, new and progressive like a 72 year old statist hack that I wouldn’t let within 50 yards of small children. Isn’t he busy, still, managing Recovery Summer 2009?

    The Democrat Party: Yep, This Is Who We’re Going With

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    • June 18, 2015, at 5:47 PM PDT
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  27. Eeyore Member
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    Approximately each day, a different Prominent Woman will speak of the necessity of ending the historic and ongoing discrimination against the American population’s majority. Joe’s a good egg, but he ain’t got no…eggs.

    So, “Why Not Joe?” It’s that pesky Y chromosome.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 6:12 PM PDT
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  28. La Tapada Member

    Would he be able to backtrack on Obamacare?

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    • June 18, 2015, at 6:56 PM PDT
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  29. Eustace C. Scrubb Member

    Vance Richards

    Troy Senik, Ed.:

    Mike LaRoche:Is he clean and articulate?

    ‘Clean’ was always the weirdest part of that formulation.

    I remember after Biden made that comment Al Sharpton said, “I take a bath every day.”

    I never believe anything Al Shapton says and see no reason to make an exception here.

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    • June 18, 2015, at 9:13 PM PDT
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  30. Arthur Beare Member

    His much mocked idea if splitting Iraq into 3 parts doesn’t look quite so dumb now, does it?

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    • June 18, 2015, at 11:06 PM PDT
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