Science Requires We Not Call a Man a Woman

 

Jenner-711x999What’s my name? Muhammad Ali

“What’s my name? What’s my name?” In the eighth round of their 1967 bout, Muhammad Ali yelled that question to Ernie Terrell every time he hit him. Terrell refused to call the former Cassius Clay his new chosen name before the fight, and Ali wanted to make a point about it.

There was no politics to Terrell’s refusal. There was no religion about it. Terrell was trash-talking against the man who, regrettably, made trash-talking in sports mainstream. I never liked Ali the bully in the ring or Ali the coward outside the ring (full disclosure: I grew up a Joe Frazier fan).

Yet, at another moment, I did learn something from Ali about names. When Howard Cosell called him Clay, Ali corrected him and insisted on the new name. Howard then agreed, saying yes, of course, a man should be called what he wants to be called.

That’s a poignant moment in a plural society that favors individual choices and respect. I’ve always agreed that a man should be called what he wants to be called.

During my time, we’ve seen an oscillation in the black community as to how they wish to be addressed. They have favored “colored” (see NAACP), “negro,” “African-American,” and today there is a rebirth of “black.” The rest of us have, to our credit, respectfully used the favored name.

A man should be called what he wants to be called.

That’s an easy call with proper names. They are randomly chosen by parents, have no scientific rhyme or reason (though they certainly have cultural moorings), and they are changed with frequency.  Surnames were traditionally changed by women upon marriage, and that is still substantially the case.

Gender and sex are different than proper names. There is some science that sets rules to follow.

The nebulous issue of gender is a product of the loose science of sociology. Since there is no discipline in that discipline, gender does not follow strict rules.  It’s a social construct, and is a sliding scale between what is considered “masculine” and what is considered “feminine.”

America has a culture.  It developed naturally over a couple of centuries. As in other countries, our culture developed identifiable symbols of the masculine and feminine — and, because of that, gender.

America has not been without its social shifts in masculine and feminine, whether in women entering into a variety of roles in the workforce or the current experiment with some women’s desire to enter infantry roles in the military.

It is noted with interest (not with explanation, as it is outside the subject of this treatment) that our cultural shifts have been easier to accept when it is the female attempting to take on masculine roles. It is framed as a matter of equal right — but I wonder if there isn’t something more to it when it comes to human beings. There is, after all, a masculinization process that happens to fetuses, as boys are created when the female pathway is redirected to become male. There is no such scientific process wherein a male pathway switches to female.

Perhaps, due to some subconscious dynamic, that is why there has not been the same acceptance of men trying to feminize their gender. Some change has admittedly occurred. When I was a young boy, nurses and flight attendants were women. Today, however, men are part of those work forces and none of us gives it a second thought when we see them.

Yet some things haven’t changed. A woman in pants is a 20th century invention that’s accepted today, but a man in a dress is still an oddity that will occasion repulsion in both sexes. Men don’t carry purses either — no matter how many times those who run the fashion industry try to push European handbags on us.

Masculine and feminine were not, however, simply created out of thin air. They were tied to sex — which is a different matter altogether than gender.

Sex is more rigidly defined by science. It is chromosomal. In our most common situation, female humans have XX chromosomes and male humans have XY chromosomes.

Sure, there are some rare situations that involve unusual chromosomes. Yet they don’t affect sex. Turner Syndrome is someone with one X chromosome, but that person is still female. XXX-females are still females. Klinefelter Syndrome has males with XXY chromosomes who show some female traits, but their sex is still male. Swyer Syndrome is a person whose genitalia does not perfectly match the chromosomes, but their sex is not in issue.

For the above rare medical instances, we, of course, should be open to accommodations. For now, however, we’re dealing with the huge majority of everyone else.

The science is clear on the rest of the human race. XX is a female and XY is a male.

Is Caitlyn (nee Bruce) Jenner a woman?  No. The definition of ‘woman‘ has always been tied to female in every medical reference you’d like to check. ‘Man’ is similarly associated with the science of being male.

I owe Caitlyn Jenner dignity and respect. A man should be called what he wants to be called. I’ll use Caitlyn. I owe Jenner that.

I don’t owe Caitlyn an ignorance of science. That would be asking too much of me. Caitlyn is, scientifically, a man. He can lop anything off and sew anything on, but not change chromosomes. It is an imposition upon me (and quite rude I might add) for Caitlyn to insist that I ignore science. I don’t owe that to Caitlyn or anyone else.

The same is true of the pronouns “he” and “she.” They have been connected to the scientifically established male and female. I don’t owe Jenner a “she” in place of “he,” as that denies the science of the matter.

I wonder too about the idea of someone like Jenner being able to finally “be himself” (or herself, as he would have it). Isn’t that the opposite of what is going on here? Bruce Jenner is not being himself – he’s a man. He’s trying to change himself.  Is this not antithetical to the stated idea of “be yourself” or “be who you are?” He is trying to change who he is. A gay man is still a man and a gay woman still a woman.

Culturally, I might be able to accept a feminized man or a masculinized woman. I can acknowledge that. Don’t ask me to deny science and agree a man is a woman because he wishes it to be.

A question for Claire Berlinski regarding the Ricochet Code of Conduct: We live by a different creed here on Ricochet.  We go out of our way to treat others with dignity and respect. What will be the Ricochet rule on pronouns here?  On our august, civil and well-mannered website, will we have a rule on calling Caitlyn Jenner a he or she?

 

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  1. Ricochet Inactive
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    @SoDakBoy

    Tony Ryan:

    Honestly, who cares? Seems to me that an attention-seeker desperate for attention is getting plenty of it. No kids or animals were harmed in the making of this temporary farce.

    Of course he’s still male – the chromosomes don’t lie – but if he wants to be called something else because he added and subtracted a bit of flesh here and there then good luck to him. Relax, the sky wont fall in and nobody here will be required to change their own orientation without their consent.

    Modern Family, Queer Eye for the straight guy, Conchita Wurst, Bruce Jenner, Orange is New Black, House of Cards.  Just a partial list of the current pop culture items celebrating homosexuality and transgenderism.

    Are young people not molded by the culture that surrounds them?  If they are, then how can this not matter?

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  2. Tommy De Seno Member
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    SoDakBoy:

    Tony Ryan:

    Honestly, who cares? Seems to me that an attention-seeker desperate for attention is getting plenty of it. No kids or animals were harmed in the making of this temporary farce.

    Of course he’s still male – the chromosomes don’t lie – but if he wants to be called something else because he added and subtracted a bit of flesh here and there then good luck to him. Relax, the sky wont fall in and nobody here will be required to change their own orientation without their consent.

    Modern Family, Queer Eye for the straight guy, Conchita Wurst, Bruce Jenner, Orange is New Black, House of Cards. Just a partial list of the current pop culture items celebrating homosexuality and transgenderism.

    Are young people not molded by the culture that surrounds them? If they are, then how can this not matter?

    Agreed.  3% has been the homosexual rate.  I wonder if that will spike.  Kids want to belong to a group.  This will be one.

    If the kid is legitimately gay then that’s fine.  But will some do so for acceptance?

    I’m not sure it will matter.  I don’t think there will be a big spike, but I predict some.

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  3. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    Podkayne of Israel:

    MarciN:

    Ansonia:God Bless Rush Limbaugh. Today on his program he comforted a caller—agenetically 100% caucasion white man who has known in his heart since he was 10 that he’s black. The man lives everyday with the pain of having his true identity hidden. When he tries to gain recognition as a black American, other black Americans just laugh at him. It was so sad.

    This happened in the sixties through eighties with some small amount of frequency.

    No surprise.

    I immersed myself in Holocaust literature through my teens and twenties. I wanted to be Jewish. I can’t explain it. But it has something to do with human empathy. “You’ll have to pick on me too.”

    Being Jewish doesn’t really have a hell of a lot to do with being picked on. We’re on a mission from G-d,

    Right. :)  I was a dumb kid. What can I say?

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  4. Herbert Woodbery Member
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    @Herbert

    I’m not sure it will matter. I don’t think there will be a big spike, but I predict some.

    I’m guessing that there will be a rise as well, of course some of it could (probably will) be people who heretofore were closeted due to stigma.

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  5. user_48342 Member
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    @JosephEagar

    Podkayne of Israel:

    Joseph Eagar:I don’t know. I have a transmale friend. She may have the body of a female, but her personality is male to the point that she fulfills traditional Scotts-Irish male roles in her household, e.g. digging a (deep) hole to replace faulty (sewage) plumbing. If they needed a shed (she lives with her widowed mother, who is far from liberal on the topic of transgender identity), I’m sure she would build it. I kind of think we should treat such people with respect.

    Of course there is a spectrum here, from “people who have the other gender’s personality type, possibly for biological reasons” to “the insane.” I do agree that indulging the latter is dangerous, I just don’t really see the harm where the former is concerned.

    Wait, does she have a brother named Alf?

    Alf?

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  6. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    Joseph Eagar:

    Podkayne of Israel:

    Joseph Eagar:I don’t know. I have a transmale friend. She may have the body of a female, but her personality is male to the point that she fulfills traditional Scotts-Irish male roles in her household, e.g. digging a (deep) hole to replace faulty (sewage) plumbing. If they needed a shed (she lives with her widowed mother, who is far from liberal on the topic of transgender identity), I’m sure she would build it. I kind of think we should treat such people with respect.

    Of course there is a spectrum here, from “people who have the other gender’s personality type, possibly for biological reasons” to “the insane.” I do agree that indulging the latter is dangerous, I just don’t really see the harm where the former is concerned.

    Wait, does she have a brother named Alf?

    Alf?

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  7. RabbitHoleRedux Inactive
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    As a young girl I well remember my father loving boxers. I never did. But I loved Bruce Jenner, and fondly remember his winning gold medal decathlon at the 1976 Olympic games. He was so handsome and masculine. I had a schoolgirl crush.

    Admittedly, having been a woman all my life I can’t know what it’s like to become one at 65. So I’ll defer that his life experience is beyond my ken. Still, it’s hard for me to accept that Bruce is is now a woman as defined by his ” lifelong self identity” and the proliferation of very expensive couture purses and dresses in his closet.

    Bruce never competed as a woman in life, not even once. Wearing a ball gown and pumps, financed by a very deliberate political movement doesn’t make Bruce a woman. If he wants to be called by his new name, perhaps he needs to earn it the way Ali did, with real life victories rather than within a fictional reality TV.

    Considering Bruce now a woman feels like a bridge too far. Maybe I can evolve.

    I feel the need to defend him against the attacks of militants who won’t allow him the right to be just a 65 year old regular guy in a dress with fairly average ideas on marriage. Now she’s being attacked for not being a strident LGBTQ advocate all his life. It’s a pickle.

    I’m evolving, too, just like Cait.

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