Promoted from the Ricochet Member Feed by Editors Created with Sketch. Alan Dershowitz Reacts To Marilyn Mosby’s Charges

 

Did Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby overreach in quickly charging of the police officers involved in the death of Freddie Gray? Will a judge remove her from prosecuting the officers based on her additional politically-tinged activist comments at the end of her news conference?

Personally, I think Dershowitz will be proven right and the officers’ charges may be substantially diminished or they may even go free.

What do you think? And if you’re an attorney, is Ms. Mosby’s exuberance to convict and advocacy likely to backfire on her? Is her inexperience as a states attorney evident? How should she have conducted herself? Was the tone of her remarks too strident when it should have been more calm and measured?

Here’s the complete video of Mosby’s press conference for your reference:

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  1. Annefy Member

    Are you not entertained?

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:21 PM PDT
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  2. Eeyore Member
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    Annefy:Are you not entertained?

    There is a move to make this, even more than in the Zimmerman case, a touchstone for a nationwide race war. So, no…

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:30 PM PDT
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  3. Brian Watt Member
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    Annefy:Are you not entertained?

    Well, I think Mr. Dershowitz is taking the younger overly-passionate attorney to school. Would be interesting if Dershowitz gets more involved in the case and decides to represent the officers charged. Wouldn’t that be something? Would make for highly entertaining viewing if the proceedings were televised.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:33 PM PDT
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  4. Annefy Member

    As my husband and I watched the video we both made the same comment when AD said she was playing to the crowd and giving them what they want: “Are you not entertained” is a line from Gladiator.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:39 PM PDT
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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    Even if they go free, the lives of the officers have been irrevocably changed. Their careers are over. In all likelihood they will have to leave Baltimore.

    This will be the worst kind of kangaroo court. Justice will not be obtained here.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:43 PM PDT
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  6. Devereaux Inactive

    This whole affair has been a mess from start to finish.

    ?How did a young male prisoner get his neck broken during transport. Set aside whether of not this young man was a career crook. Set aside the whole question of why he was arrested. ?How did he manage to get his neck broken during transport.

    So far I have seen no rational theory of events. Nothing has been shown to support anything. No data is evident. No facts are in evidence.

    ?How are we suppose to have any opinion.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:45 PM PDT
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  7. Brian Watt Member
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    Eeyore:

    Annefy:Are you not entertained?

    There is a move to make this, even more than in the Zimmerman case, a touchstone for a nationwide race war. So, no…

    If there is a nationwide race war, and I’m not saying there wouldn’t be one (akin to Occupy Wall Street – only potentially more destructive and bloodier), then we all might look to Obama, Sharpton, Baltimore’s mayor, The New Black Panther Party and others on the Left, who would fuel it with their inflammatory rhetoric and then blame conservatives, FoxNews and the Republican Party for deliberately oppressing young blacks in American cities. The utter failure of Detroit will become the fault of Republicans who refused to pour taxpayer money into it. Never waste a crisis.

    The only problem with this is, that like the riots in Chicago in 1968 during the Democrat Convention, prolonged riots in American cities could backfire on the Democrats big time almost guaranteeing a Republican presidential victory. Americans have only so much patience.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:51 PM PDT
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  8. Brian Watt Member
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    Annefy:As my husband and I watched the video we both made the same comment when AD said she was playing to the crowd and giving them what they want: “Are you not entertained” is a line from Gladiator.

    Yes, I got the reference. :-)

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    • May 1, 2015, at 7:51 PM PDT
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  9. Brian Watt Member
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    Devereaux:This whole affair has been a mess from start to finish.

    ?How did a young male prisoner get his neck broken during transport. Set aside whether of not this young man was a career crook. Set aside the whole question of why he was arrested. ?How did he manage to get his neck broken during transport.

    So far I have seen no rational theory of events. Nothing has been shown to support anything. No data is evident. No facts are in evidence.

    ?How are we suppose to have any opinion.

    It has been a mess indeed. I think it will get even more challenging to sort it all out when the officers’ respective attorneys or legal team starts weighing in with objections and counter arguments on what happened.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:00 PM PDT
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  10. Brian Watt Member
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    Percival:Even if they go free, the lives of the officers have been irrevocably changed. Their careers are over. In all likelihood they will have to leave Baltimore.

    This will be the worst kind of kangaroo court.Justice will not be obtained here.

    Whether it results in a kangaroo court may depend on whether the defense team can get a change of venue arguing that the prosecutor and mayor and other politicians have, from their comments destroyed the possibility of a fair trial in Baltimore. And it may depend on who the attorneys are who end up representing the police officers…and of course, who the judge will be. Right now, I think there are too many intangibles to say one way or another how this is going to end up.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:05 PM PDT
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  11. Eeyore Member
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    Annefy: “Are you not entertained” is a line from Gladiator.

    Okay, I’m a rarely movied cultural slug.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:12 PM PDT
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  12. Annefy Member

    But it will be bad, no matter what. The cops will get hung out to dry, appeasing the crowd. Or the cops are guilty of something, but won’t be found guilty because of over charging. Thereby inciting the crowd.

    And NOTHING will change. Nothing. We’ve got an entire population of young Blacks that rightly or wrongly feel victimized. And cops on the other side will feel the same. And a whole lot of people in the middle who benefit from this sort of chaos.

    And while it might portend a Republican victory, so what? The underlying problems will not get better, and nothing will change. This entire generation of young have been victimized by race baiters and crappy schools.

    As someone who has had had my own frustrations with the police, I see no happy ending here. Even a Republican victory is not going to change anything.

    I take it back. Things will change. They will get worse.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:18 PM PDT
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  13. Annefy Member

    Eeyore:

    Annefy: “Are you not entertained” is a line from Gladiator.

    Okay, I’m a rarely movied cultural slug.

    It’s a good one. Highly recommend.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:19 PM PDT
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  14. Nick Stuart Inactive

    OK, I know I’m getting old. Everybody under the age of 40 looks like a teenager to me.

    But seriously, Mosby doesn’t look like she’s a day over 30. How can she possibly have the experience requisite for the position. Is it an elective position or was she appointed?

    It looks like it’s the children of the inmates who are running the asylum in Baltimore.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:26 PM PDT
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  15. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Inactive

    If it’s accurate that he wasn’t seat belted in, isn’t it clear that there is some degree of culpability on part of at least some of the officers?

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:27 PM PDT
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  16. Eeyore Member
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    Nick Stuart:But seriously, Mosby doesn’t look like she’s a day over 30. How can she possibly have the experience requisite for the position.

    This was mentioned on Jay Severin today. I think she’s the youngest prosecutor in the nation. IIRC, 34.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:37 PM PDT
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  17. Devereaux Inactive

    Herbert Woodbery:If it’s accurate that he wasn’t seat belted in,isn’t it clear that there is some degree of culpability on part of at least some of the officers?

    Perhaps but I doubt it’s criminal. About the best I can see is negligence.

    But recollect – there are no facts here! There is only conjecture. We know nothing about how the young man died other than he had a broken neck. Yet I have heard nothing that provides any cohesive theory about how he sustained his injury.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:38 PM PDT
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  18. Eeyore Member
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    Herbert Woodbery:If it’s accurate that he wasn’t seat belted in,isn’t it clear that there is some degree of culpability on part of at least some of the officers?

    I heard mention of a concept called “a rough ride.” Quick corners, fast stops. The Murder 2 charge is against the driver, so perhaps there was some assertion of this practice among witnesses.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:41 PM PDT
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  19. Doug Watt Moderator

    The promise from the mayor’s office to release the investigative report on Friday didn’t happen. If the mayor and her police chief and commissioner thought there was enough to prosecute the officers they would have been front and center in a press conference on Friday.

    I thought the comment from the State’s Attorney was very interesting when she urged or demanded that officers that might have information that might hurt the state’s case not talk to the media. Would she have made the same demand if the evidence was a slam-dunk for the state?

    The fact that the attorney for the Gray family contributed to the state’s attorney’s campaign is interesting. Could the fact that a plea deal and no conviction still help him in a civil suit for the Gray family?

    It is all very interesting.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 8:52 PM PDT
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  20. Percival Thatcher
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    I don’t know how tough it is to obtain a change of venue, but if anyone ever had grounds to make the request, these guys do.

    That said, I don’t know what kind of evidence the prosecution has, or thinks it has. I do know that breaking your own neck by slamming your head against a wall is pretty hard to do. Breaking someone else’s neck by starting and stopping a paddy wagon fast is also pretty hard to do. None of this – the arrest, the injuries, any of it – makes any sense.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 9:21 PM PDT
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  21. Evlmdghtbmr Member

    Eeyore:

    Nick Stuart:But seriously, Mosby doesn’t look like she’s a day over 30. How can she possibly have the experience requisite for the position.

    This was mentioned on Jay Severin today. I think she’s the youngest prosecutor in the nation. IIRC, 34.

    I don’t mean to sound disrespectful to anyone’s merited accomplishments, but between the mayor and prosecutor, am I the only one who thinks Baltimore has cornered the market on comely female politicians?

    I don’t like jumping to conclusions, but his neck was broken. I don’t see how that reasonably happens without someone being WAY over some lines.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 9:36 PM PDT
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  22. captainpower Inactive

    [edit] nevermind. I confused the words “comely” and “homely.”

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    • May 1, 2015, at 9:48 PM PDT
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  23. EJHill Podcaster
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    The first thing a decent defense team will do is get a change of venue out of Baltimore County. Picking the jury is going to be brutal.

    But this is just the beginning. She hasn’t even secured the indictment yet.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 9:58 PM PDT
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  24. Jason Rudert Member

    Don’t know if it changes anything, but the medical examiner ruled it a homicide. As I understand it, that just means death caused by another. That probably had a lot to do with her bringing charges. The charges are depraved heart manslaughter, meaning you knowingly took an obvious risk that resulted in someone’s death.

    The other guy in the van was first quoted as saying that Gray was thrashing around and maybe injured himself. Then he retracted that. Has anyone heard more?

    I also heard that Gray had had surgery on his neck days before–has anyone heard more about that?

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    • May 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM PDT
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  25. Jason Rudert Member

    Yeah, she’s easy on the eyes. And though I find her concepts of justice appalling, she has a certain badass American girl appeal.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 10:08 PM PDT
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  26. Brian Watt Member
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    Jason Rudert:Don’t know if it changes anything, but the medical examiner ruled it a homicide. As I understand it, that just means death caused by another. That probably had a lot to do with her bringing charges. The charges are depraved heart manslaughter, meaning you knowinglytook an obvious risk that resulted in someone’s death.

    The other guy in the van was first quoted as saying that Gray was thrashing around and maybe injured himself. Then he retracted that. Has anyone heard more?

    I also heard that Gray had had surgery on his neck days before–has anyone heard more about that?

    I think the stories circulating that Gray had surgery prior to his death have been debunked. See the Washington Post story here.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 10:23 PM PDT
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  27. Jason Rudert Member

    That white haired dude behind her is doing his best john derbyshire just ate a lemon face, though.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 10:23 PM PDT
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  28. Jason Rudert Member

    “I think the stories circulating that Gray had surgery prior to his death have been debunked. See the Washington Post story here.”

    Thanks. It’s weird how these things fly around.

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    • May 1, 2015, at 10:27 PM PDT
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  29. Rodin Member

    I suspect that before this is all over the six cops will wish they had been put in the back of the van. This is going to be long and ugly. I do not see a kumbaya moment in this story.

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    • May 2, 2015, at 12:02 AM PDT
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  30. Barfly Member

    Devereaux:This whole affair has been a mess from start to finish.

    ?How did a young male prisoner get his neck broken during transport. Set aside whether of not this young man was a career crook. Set aside the whole question of why he was arrested. ?How did he manage to get his neck broken during transport.

    So far I have seen no rational theory of events. Nothing has been shown to support anything. No data is evident. No facts are in evidence.

    Yeah, this whole mess is so confusing anyone with any axe to grind could plausibly think anything. That’s a dangerous situation itself – the vacuum will be filled by everyone’s worst assumptions.

    All I know is I watched the police drag the man to the Black Maria, and he didn’t look well at all. Either the subject had lost control of one leg or he knew how to fake it. I wasn’t there so I can’t say.

    Does anybody even know what they arrested him for?

    Here’s a rational theory of events that explains the very little I know: the police seriously injured the subject’s upper spine during an exuberant takedown, then decided not to take his complaints and partial immobility seriously. They gave him a rough ride and the bouncing around finished him. That is my own conjecture and I haven’t heard it anywhere, so don’t go saying “Barfly said.”

    Man, the word limit is a pain.

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    • May 2, 2015, at 1:10 AM PDT
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