In Which This Dartmouth Man’s Heartbeat Quickens

 

27C4C69E00000578-3046586-image-a-2_1429513676931From the British newspaper, the Daily Mail. The reporter may overstate the political influence of these undergrads — goodness knows nobody ever accused us of affecting presidential politics when I attended the place 35 years go, although, come to think of it, I did have chats with Jimmy Carter and George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan’s campaign manager — but of course that’s not the point. The point is that Dartmouth students have Hillary’s number.

(Would students at Yale display the same healthy and called-for dubiety? I think not, but I leave the question to Rob.)

If Dartmouth College students have the same inflated influence on presidential politics that they’ve traditionally enjoyed, Hillary Clinton has some long days ahead in New Hampshire.

Of a randomly selected group of 50 students who said they followed presidential politics enough to comment, just nine told Daily Mail Online that the former secretary of state would make a good U.S. chief executive.

Hillary’s detractors were far more passionate than her fans – a potential problem since she needs a repeat of her grassroots-driven upset 2008 victory here in order to solidify her status as the Democrats’ standard-bearer.

Stacey Benton, a government major from Florida who leans Republican, said a President Hillary Clinton is ‘just going to continue a lot of things Obama has been doing.’

‘There hasn’t been much good in Obama’s foreign policy,’ Benton added….

Twenty-two of the 50 Dartmouth students interviewed on Sunday mentioned the deadly 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi, Libya as a black mark on Clinton’s record.

Many of them, like freshman Cameron Poole, weren’t old enough to drive when it happened.

‘I think there was blood on her hands,’ Poole told Daily Mail Online, referring to Clinton’s handling of an Islamist terror group’s military-style assault that laid waste to a State Department facility.

He said he believes Clinton’s performance before, during and after should disqualify her from holding higher office.

‘I definitely do,’ he said. ‘It shows how she acts under pressure.’

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  1. user_348375 Inactive
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    Much more interesting commentary when the responses are limited to those with some familiarity with the issues.  Not that there’s anything wrong with Watter’s World!

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  2. viruscop Member
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    50 isn’t a very large sample number, and I imagine that the group of “students that follow presidential politics enough to comment” isn’t a large group to begin with, even at Dartmouth.

    I’m sure you can find the same number of students who express the same opinion from an overall student body size similar to Dartmouth’s.

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  3. DocJay Inactive
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    viruscop:50 isn’t a very large sample number, and I imagine that the group of “students that follow presidential politics enough to comment” isn’t a large group to begin with, even at Dartmouth.

    I’m sure you can find the same number of students who express the same opinion with the same overall size of the student body at similar colleges.

    I’m sure she is counting on the ignorance of the American public to propel her forward along with a few billion dollars and her moth laden lady parts.

    Blood on her hands and a cover up may be a big negative ad though.  How would your liberal friends view such an ad?  I doubt it would change how they would vote given their concerns for other issues they see as important but it might affect motivation.   People were in love, viral love, with Obama in a manner never seen in modern times and came out in droves to support him.   Would your friends happily put a Clinton sticker on their cars?  Would they volunteer for her?  She is not lovable by any stretch so she has to sell herself on competence and gender.  Tough sell.

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  4. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Dubiety? They’re just committed to Warren.

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  5. viruscop Member
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    DocJay:

    viruscop:50 isn’t a very large sample number, and I imagine that the group of “students that follow presidential politics enough to comment” isn’t a large group to begin with, even at Dartmouth.

    I’m sure you can find the same number of students who express the same opinion with the same overall size of the student body at similar colleges.

    Blood on her hands and a cover up may be a big negative ad though. How would your liberal friends view such an ad? I doubt it would change how they would vote given their concerns for other issues they see as important but it might affect motivation. People were in love, viral love, with Obama in a manner never seen in modern times and came out in droves to support him. Would your friends happily put a Clinton sticker on their cars? Would they volunteer for her? She is not lovable by any stretch so she has to sell herself on competence and gender. Tough sell.

    The level of motivation is also a function of the Republican candidate. I agree that people do not like her as much as they like Obama, but the Republican candidate can be enough to give Hillary the margin of victory in a general election.

    I think they would put a Clinton sticker on their cars. That doesn’t really require any effort. I doubt there will be the same number of volunteers for her as there were for Obama, regardless of the Republican candidate.

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  6. Vance Richards Member
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    Basil Fawlty:Dubiety?They’re just committed to Warren.

    Yeah, I don’t think these Dartmouth kids want to vote for some right-winger like Hillary. I hope I’m wrong but . . .

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  7. user_348375 Inactive
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    Meh.  Without the crucible, who cares?

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  8. Ricochet Inactive
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    viruscop:

    DocJay:

    viruscop:50 isn’t a very large sample number, and I imagine that the group of “students that follow presidential politics enough to comment” isn’t a large group to begin with, even at Dartmouth.

    I’m sure you can find the same number of students who express the same opinion with the same overall size of the student body at similar colleges.

    Blood on her hands and a cover up may be a big negative ad though. How would your liberal friends view such an ad? I doubt it would change how they would vote given their concerns for other issues they see as important but it might affect motivation. People were in love, viral love, with Obama in a manner never seen in modern times and came out in droves to support him. Would your friends happily put a Clinton sticker on their cars? Would they volunteer for her? She is not lovable by any stretch so she has to sell herself on competence and gender. Tough sell.

    The level of motivation is also a function of the Republican candidate. I agree that people do not like her as much as they like Obama, but the Republican candidate can be enough to give Hillary the margin of victory in a general election.

    I think they would put a Clinton sticker on their cars. That doesn’t really require any effort. I doubt there will be the same number of volunteers for her as there were for Obama, regardless of the Republican candidate.

    I think the bigger issue for democrats is if they can win, at all, after 8 years of Obama, regardless of who the candidate is. If Ted Cruz gets the nomination, you may find republican operatives putting Hillary stickers on their cars, but will it be enough to thwart historical trends? I don’t think so.

    She’s toast either way, IMHO.

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  9. TeamAmerica Member
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    @Calvin Coolidg- “I think the bigger issue for democrats is if they can win, at all, after 8 years of Obama, regardless of who the candidate is. If Ted Cruz gets the nomination, you may find republican operatives putting Hillary stickers on their cars, but will it be enough to thwart historical trends? I don’t think so.

    She’s toast either way, IMHO.”

    Eh, I hope so, but the last time the Republicans won the popular vote in the presidential was 1988. In 2016, the majority of 10 year olds and younger will be non-white, and minorities are mostly Democratic, so the long term trends aren’t encouraging. I hope enough of the brainwashed Millennials have wised up by 2016.

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  10. Vectorman Inactive
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    TeamAmerica:Eh, I hope so, but the last time the Republicans won the popular vote in the presidential was 1988. In 2016, the majority of 10 year olds and younger will be non-white, and minorities are mostly Democratic, so the long term trends aren’t encouraging. I hope enough of the brainwashed Millennials have wised up by 2016.

    George W. Bush beat John Kerry 62 Million to 59 Million in 2004.

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  11. Johnny Dubya Inactive
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    One could assemble a list of dozens of actions and statements by Clinton that should disqualify her for the presidency. For example, here’s an excerpt regarding Whitewater (managed by Hillary) from the book “Do as I Say, Not as I Do” by Peter Schweizer, one of Peter’s Hoover colleagues (this excerpt was discussed in yesterday’s James Taranto column in the Wall Street Journal):

    Clyde Soapes was a grain-elevator operator from Texas who heard about the lots in early 1980 and jumped at the chance to invest. He put $3,000 down and began making payments of $244.69 per month. He made thirty-five payments in all—totaling $11,564.15, just short of the $14,000 price for the lot. Then he suddenly fell ill with diabetes and missed a payment, then two. The Clintons informed him that he had lost the land and all of his money. There was no court proceeding or compensation. Months later they resold his property to a couple from Nevada for $16,500. After they too missed a payment, the Clintons resold it yet again.

    Soapes and the couple from Nevada were not alone. More than half of the people who bought lots in Whitewater—teachers, farmers, laborers, and retirees—made payments, missed one or two, and then lost their land without getting a dime of their equity back. According to Whitewater records, at least sixteen different buyers paid more than $50,000 and never received a property deed.

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  12. Johnny Dubya Inactive
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    …continued:

    Though I knew a few things about the shady Whitewater land deal, I had never heard about this aspect. I find it outrageous in the extreme (though legal under Arkansas law). I suspect that virtually any American learning of it would also find it outrageous, and many would deem it worthy of disqualifying Ms. Clinton from consideration for the presidency. Wouldn’t you just love to hear Clintonistas, and Ms. Clinton herself, try to explain and justify such actions?

    Gee, if only Republicans got the word out about this. Oh, I forgot! The Republican party is too incompetent to do such a thing.

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