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A favorite tactic of the anti-death penalty crowd is to reach out to fiscal conservatives and other fiscally-minded people and regurgitate outrageous dollar amounts as evidence that the death penalty “costs” millions of dollars.
I find it funny how the Left is so against the death penalty and so for abortion at the same time. So it’s okay to spare the life of a cop killer, and yet it’s a woman’s “Choice” to kill her child. What a bunch of sick and twisted individuals.
How about some doctors and the AMA? Willing to kill assisted suicide and babies, the people we love, but opposed to killing the people we detest. Amazing.
I think the cost of the death penalty should be whatever it costs to build a gallows and the rope.
Rope and ammunition are cheap, but no surprise the legal system is designed to enrich lawyers.
You have to understand the cost of the prosecution includes the building of the courthouse, the salaries of everyone in the courthouse (janitors to cafeteria workers), burgers purchased by reporters reporting on the story, etc. And I believe another reason death penalty cases are expensive is activists pursuing even the most absurd avenues of appeal.
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How many people take a plea to avoid the death penalty? Those are cases that would have gone through lengthy and expensive trials if death was not an option. So, you would have to figure in the cost savings from those cases in order to determine the true cost of having the death penalty.
Vance that’s a very good point that no one explores. I was just thinking that on a case with an Aryan Brotherhood murder(s) I have. The defendant is fine with life in prison but would do anything to avoid death row. He’s going to plead even though we lost crucial evidence because of a change in the law, saving us a 9 month trial and 3 murders.
Presumably, this cap would apply only to the income earned at taxpayer expense, correct?
therein lies the problem, of course… but although the differences in salary for public vs. private sounds like a good argument, it isn’t really. apply the principle to other areas. we agree that ruth’s chris shouldn’t accept foodstamps, correct? so what sort of free lawyer do people truly “deserve?”
I’m not sure I understand your objection. I don’t know what type of free lawyer people truly deserve – indeed, deserts may vary greatly from person to person. Irrespective of what people truly deserve, though – or even what they think they deserve – it’s reasonable to expect less of a free lawyer than you would of a lawyer you were paying.
A person accused of a crime ought to be free to use the resources he has at his disposal to defend himself. If he wishes to spend a couple million dollars on lawyers to defend himself, and he has or can raise those funds on his own, by what right do we stop him? If, on the other hand, he can’t or won’t raise the money to defend himself, what else can he do but be satisfied, however grudgingly, with the services he gets free of charge when the taxpayer foots the bill?
Yes I don’t see the need to analgize it. What if a public defender wished to spend a million dollars on a misdemeanor DUI defense? The defendant isn’t entitled to it, and no appellate court would reverse on that basis. The Supreme Court has consistently held an indigent defendant is entitled to content counsel. But by design (and rightfully called out by the Solicitor General Bork) “death is different”. I’ve never heard of a death case that isn’t a publically supported defense and defense attorneys are given unlimited budgets to spend and as I indicated above generally make 3 times what the prosecutor makes. I had a case where a police officer was killed in a check cashing store, on literally 6 different high quality videos, in front of witnesses and they still managed to spend about a million after pleading guilty, so penalty phase only. We spent zero extra. Needless to say, he’s on death row now. Regardless, if the maximum sentence is natural life, rarely is extra spent on the defense. If it’s death, the defense spends millions. A mere $500,000 cap? It’s reasonable and constitutional.
That’s exactly what I was getting at, actually. If you placed a cap on the amount of money spent on a PD, you’d find the objection that it is inherently unequal and unfair and a terrible injustice… why should a millionaire get to go free while a poor person is punished for being poor? Having been a PD, of course, I’m not too sympathetic to that argument. I agree with your response, but what would the media make of an actual policy to that effect?
of course, I’ve argued that we shouldn’t pay for defense attorneys at all. :) More likely I’d make that argument in closed company on the NAMU.
You didn’t even get into the appeals, which can drag on for 10 – 20 years. I would imagine those have a substantial impact on the cost.
I personally do not give a damn how much the death penalty costs. If it is the appropriate punishment in a given case, it should be carried out. A country that spends almost 4 trillion dollars a year can afford to spend one million or even ten million to execute a murderer who richly deserves it. Murder is the worst possible crime, and it is ridiculous to claim that we can’t afford to punish it properly.
I think that’s rather extravagant. A tree limb or a lamp post is adequate and is already there. Or if you really want to be cheap about it, just garrote the bastard. That just takes a short piece of rope.
Yes, sadly in my War and Peace post (sorry about that but I was angry), I didn’t get to the cost of appeals. Generally speaking appellate contracts go for about $150-$450 an hour (that’s always taxpayer money). That doesn’t include Post-Conviction Relief (generally an ineffective assistance of counsel claim). The scam that has become the dirty little secret is this: the appellate lawyers will file a claim that is filed in every single DP case, say the death penalty “violates international treaties” something that is denied so many times it is often relegated to just a footnote dismissing the claim usually with language like “we have routinely denied the following claims and do so again here”. Yet, even though these are standard motions, the defense lawyers frequently bill them as if they started from scratch on the research. There is so much fat yo trim it will make you scream.