Essay Challenge: Refute Senator Warren

 

Given her background, publishing history, interests, and high school teacher affect, Senator Elizabeth Warren makes for an extraordinarily unlikely demagogue. But, against all odds, my senior senator has turned herself into a rhetorical force through a remarkable ability to spout utter nonsense, with great conviction, on subjects on which she absolutely knows better — and in a way that somehow resonates with people.

The clip above is a marvel of deception. In about half a minute, she manages to pound out four — four! — statements that are either direct falsehoods or based on direct falsehoods:

No one should work full time and still live in poverty. We believe we should raise the minimum wage. This one is a shocker in 2014, but we actually believe in equal pay for equal work and we’re trying to move that forward. We believe it’s not your employer’s business what kind of birth control you use and you ought to have access to birth control. And we believe the United States government should not making a profit on student loans.

Of course it’s all wrong (particularly the contraception bit; I mean, wow that’s dishonest). But this is the kind of patently false Progressive populism that voters relate to and that gets people like Warren elected to office. It’s also the kind of claptrap that is particularly attractive to young voters in Dave L’s friend’s demographic.

The question is: how are we going to push back against that rhetoric and find a positive agenda of our own that both bears some relation to reality and will win at the ballot box?

It took Senator Warren 34 seconds to describe an attractive — if false and impracticable — agenda. Let’s see what we can do in 200 words.

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  1. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    On minimum wage, Remy answered.

    He was answering this:

    And you saved me from having to make a post of my own.

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  2. mezzrow Member
    mezzrow
    @mezzrow

    That sounds pretty reasonable at first glance, but these good intentions pave a road to totalitarianism, because eventually that will be the only way to make these things happen in the manner you have presented.

    No employer can pay any employee more long term than he or she earns for his or her business, or the business will cease to exist.  Then where is the employee?  On the dole.

    Your world will make us like those Venezuelans who would like a job, but who stand in line for rationed allocations of toilet paper and cooking oil instead, because they have destroyed their own ability to have an economy that will provide these necessities by commerce.

    It will take maybe 60 years to get from here to there, and that’s your advantage, as you won’t be called to account, for we’ll both be long gone.   You make it sound ever so reasonable, but that’s snake oil you’re selling there.

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  3. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    The $10.10/hr minimum wage is such garbage. Even working full time that is less than $1800/mo. gross income. After the government takes its cut the pay is probably closer to $1400/mo. net. In my area (which is sort of rural yet very skewed because of the military/federal worker presence) that will get you a basic apartment, with maybe $500/mo. left over for all other expenses such as electricity, food, car insurance, etc. Even Seattle with their new $15/hr minimum wage fails to push wages to the point of keeping up with cost of living. A real living wage requires living skills, which flipping burgers and making lattes ain’t.

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  4. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    First, we believe the American people are better at and more capable of negotiating the terms of their employment than you are, Senator Warren. We believe the American people are smart enough to know when they’re being underpaid for the work they’re doing, and are capable of going to their employer to ask for a raise without hand-holding and special pleading from a government scold.

    We think people are capable of managing their health choices themselves, and should have over-the-counter access to contraception (h/t: Cory Gardner) that they pay for with their hard-earned wages, rather than having to pay even more in explosive insurance premium costs to receive the “benefit” of a $10/month item. We also think it’s wrong to force nuns and geriatric Americans to buy contraceptive coverage of any kind, which is what the one-size-fits-all mandates of the erroneously named “Affordable Care Act” are imposing on too many at this very moment.

    We agree that American students are paying too much for the education they’re receiving, which, for many, is too steep a trade-off in terms of their ability to become gainfully employed in the Obama economy. Your party has enacted a regime of regulation and credentialism that makes gainful employment either too high a hurdle or too expensive for those who manage to clear it. We’d like to see fewer people having to expend so much lost earning-potential time in left-wing indoctrination camps.

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  5. Mark Thatcher
    Mark
    @GumbyMark

    We agree with you Senator that students should not graduate with huge debt burdens they have no chance of repaying.  Will you join us in revamping our system of loans so that colleges do not have an incentive to raise tuition at 5 times the rate of inflation?  Will you join us in denouncing the outrageous salaries and bureaucratic bloat of academia such as paying $350,ooo to a law school professor for teaching one course?

    We agree that it is not an employer’s business what kind of birth control their employees use and that’s why we oppose the President’s actions requiring them to get involved.  Will you join us in rejecting the President’s intrusion into a private matter and in making more birth control devices available OTC thus making availability and price better?

    We also want to improve economic opportunity for all, including the hard-working poor.  Will you join us in opposing the President and big business’ initiative to flood the country with immigrants who, mostly poorly educated and lower skilled, will be directly competing against those on the lowest economic rungs?  Why the President supports such a direct assault on our working poor is puzzling but we can surely agree that he is wrong and lacking in empathy.

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  6. user_82762 Thatcher
    user_82762
    @JamesGawron

    Tom.

    This is actually a very interesting question.  Here is a women who committed fraud to gain entry into the Harvard Law School.  Any other politician’s s career would have ended once this was known.

    She is a glassy eyed near psychotic who thinks she can get away with anything.  Since she has already got away with anything there seems very little that could stop her short of a hypodermic dart gun with a full rhino load.

    This shallow trivial intellect, who doesn’t possess the ounce of integrity it would take to feel guilt over her fraud, is a US Senator.  Somehow there must be a way to bring people to their senses and realize that this person is someone who could not be trusted as a substitute teacher in high school much less making vital decisions in Washington DC.

    I will try to think of a way.  (hmmmm…where did I leave that dart gun?)

    Regards,

    Jim

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  7. Casey Way Member
    Casey Way
    @CaseyWay

    Poor financial behaviors are equal opportunity destroyers regardless if you sell a million albums or make a million French fries. If I was lucky enough to be your boss and you made a million great fries, I’d work to keep you on staff and reward you for teaching others your skills. You are valuable.

    It should be equal pay for equal work, everywhere. Since it is illegal pay lower wages based on sex, you should continue your efforts to stamp out regionalism as it is another factor that has no obvious relation to “the work.” Abolish unfair COLAs in the federal and private sector.

    When money is collected for a common cause with expected mutual gain of the collective, if there is a disparate payout to a select few, it is my right to find out why because it was my money. If the select few did not pay in to begin with, you better believe your behaviors the those ends just because my business.

    Any institution making loans without expected profits or returns should have it’s own finances in order, or get out of the business.

    Put down the peace pipe. Pick up a payroll.

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  8. EThompson Inactive
    EThompson
    @EThompson

    We believe the American people are smart enough to know when they’re being underpaid for the work they’re doing, and are capable of going to their employer to ask for a raise without hand-holding and special pleading from a government scold.

    As a business owner, I have rarely agreed more with anything written on this site. I would only add that successful businesses address fair compensation long before a employee asks not because we are a moral group, but simply because it is in our best interests to do so.

    The current administration fails to realize that self-interest is the most powerful arbiter of fair practices in the 21st century.

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  9. user_30416 Inactive
    user_30416
    @LeslieWatkins

    The senator confuses her sense of things, her subjective beliefs, with objective reality. It would be nice if just once an interviewer would ask her to define what she means by “equal pay for equal work,” the devil being in the details and all that. Many people, myself included were I to take her POV, would say the senator has been overpaid in every role she has ever performed. Would she agree? As for the birth control issue, if she thinks businesses should not care what forms of birth control their employees use, then surely she’d be amenable to stopping the government from mandating that they provide birth control as a benefit of employment, thereby forcing them to care, if not morally, economically. To infer that somehow access to birth control is limited is blatant dissembling, with access roughly translating to the inability to pay. What she really believes is that birth control should be provided free, and since government will never do that directly, that businesses should be forced to do so indirectly in the name deep democracy. I agree with her on the student loan issue, though I doubt we share the same solution. I imagine she would have government provide student loans, whereas I would have the government get out of the business altogether.

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  10. liberal jim Inactive
    liberal jim
    @liberaljim

    I believe that character, education, and attitude has more to do with poverty than employment opportunity.  Children of upper middle class parents are not forced to work for minimum wage because they they have not been condemned to live their pre-teens and teens in psuedo-schools that are controlled by the corrupt Liberal Democratic, Education Union cabals that control many public schools.  It is this self -serving, self-enriching cabal that condemns  people to rely on minimum wage jobs for their livelihood.  For a member of the cabal, such as yourself, to suggest that a few more bread crumbs in the form of a paltry minimum wage increase  should be given to the victims of the decades old political scam it is not only insulting to these people, but stalinist and un-American.  If you cared a wit about these people and future generations you would be demanding that the Democratic party refuse all union contributions, that union control over the education system be stopped and that poor parents, many of whom you are feigning concern for, be given the opportunity for school choice so their children are not forced onto the minimum wage plantation as they were.

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  11. Julia PA Member
    Julia PA
    @JulesPA

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: No one should work full time and still live in poverty. We believe we should raise the minimum wage. This one is a shocker in 2014, but we actually believe in equal pay for equal work and we’re trying to move that forward. We believe it’s not your employer’s business what kind of birth control you use and you ought to have access to birth control. And we believe the United States government should not making a profit on student loans.

    So the truth would read more like this, and some brilliant person could probably massage the words to be less cruel:

    No one who works all day should starve, sleep in the snow, or go naked. Our community safety net should provide that, and only that. If you want more variety than 3 pbj’s and 3 glasses of milk a day, extra clothes and more personal space, then learn something, and find a job that gives you the life that you desire.

    It is not your employers business who you have sex with. It’s your responsibility to accept the consequences for your choices, in all of your life, including sex. Having sex is not a medical procedure, it is not health care. So save up to buy some condoms or some form of birth control. If you ignore your responsibility, the children you end up with will be stuck with 3pbj’s & milk a day, no change of clothes, and little personal space. Make a decision.

    The government shouldn’t be making money on student loans, and neither should your neighbors be paying for your college expenses. If you want the government to pay for your college, join the service, pay the time, then go to college. Or, work hard in a job doing what you know, save up, choose to learn something. Quit asking someone else to pave and pay for your life’s path.

    The government is not your mom, your dad, your gran or pop. The government is a weasely Uncle Sam where even if it seems free, its not. Grow up and make a life for yourself. Most people call it sweat equity. The credit will be all yours, and you’ll feel prouder that you did it yourself.

    ==

    I won’t get any votes, but tough love is what we lack these days.

    ==

    sorry, that was more of a rant than an essay.

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  12. Julia PA Member
    Julia PA
    @JulesPA

    mezzrow: It will take maybe 60 years to get from here to there, and that’s your advantage, as you won’t be called to account, for we’ll both be long gone.   You make it sound ever so reasonable, but that’s snake oil you’re selling there.

    perfectly said.

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  13. Julia PA Member
    Julia PA
    @JulesPA

    James Gawron:Tom.

    This is actually a very interesting question. Here is a women who committed fraud to gain entry into the Harvard Law School. Any other politician’s s career would have ended once this was known.

    She is a glassy eyed near psychotic who thinks she can get away with anything. Since she has already got away with anything there seems very little that could stop her short of a hypodermic dart gun with a full rhino load.

    This shallow trivial intellect, who doesn’t possess the ounce of integrity it would take to feel guilt over her fraud, is a US Senator. Somehow there must be a way to bring people to their senses and realize that this person is someone who could not be trusted as a substitute teacher in high school much less making vital decisions in Washington DC.

    I will try to think of a way. (hmmmm…where did I leave that dart gun?)

    Regards,

    Jim

    are you saying warren is a rino? i don’t think so.

    a donkey dart will do. :)

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  14. Julia PA Member
    Julia PA
    @JulesPA

    This post and the comments are a crowd-source doc for a campaign that might tell the truth. Hopefully some candidates will read, and glean.

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  15. JimGoneWild Coolidge
    JimGoneWild
    @JimGoneWild

    Dear Senator,

    Thank you for moving forward with “equal pay for equal work.” As you strive to eliminate woman returning to the workforce after having children, you make my pay and opportunity rise. Bless your systematic method of over pricing these women in a competitive environment, when, as now, she could have entered a job with less experience but at a lower price (wage) and worked her way up. Bottom line–you’ve put me a good step or two up from two demographic groups–woman who have kids and woman who want to have kids. It’s good to have a behind-the-lines saboteur in the War-On-Women on the men’s side for a change.

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  16. user_139157 Inactive
    user_139157
    @PaulJCroeber

    I’d heard years back that The Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd eerily synched with the Wizard of Oz.  One would think that in the realm of cosmic coincidences such alignments would be confined  to stoner prog rock fantasies. Yet behold Sen. Warren the Great and all Knowing as she  fiddles with the mechanics of that which she doesn’t understand to uphold a façade for those who hadn’t realized they’d had a brain, a heart, and courage all along.  Formidable, convincing perhaps, but not truly substantive or wise, she can only win by deception and ill informed conviction.  Perish the thought of a nation lead to believe they are something they are not by a person who believes the same of herself.

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  17. otherdeanplace@yahoo.com Member
    otherdeanplace@yahoo.com
    @EustaceCScrubb

    Argue with one of the indigenous peoples? I’m no racist.

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  18. Julia PA Member
    Julia PA
    @JulesPA

    Paul J. Croeber: Warren the Great and all Knowing as she  fiddles with the mechanics of that which she doesn’t understand to uphold a façade for those who hadn’t realized they’d had a brain, a heart, and courage all along.

    I love this imagery…EWarren’s face (pic a bad photo), attached to a pic of the wizard of oz…someone on the side, fiddling as rome burns, and all the other characters wearing red shoes, with exclamation point thought clouds just like you said, realizing the heart, the brain, courage was their all along, and the wizard was a lying middle-man.

    heh, i’d even let that one slide with a spot on the carousel!

    ej hill…where are you?

    or pencilvania?

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  19. user_554634 Moderator
    user_554634
    @MikeRapkoch

    One reason progressives get away with this clap trap is that they are never forced to define their terms.

    What is a living wage? The progressive does not answer, but merely offers the circular “a living wage is a wage you can live on.”

    What is equal pay? It’s pay that is equal.

    Why shouldn’t the government make a profit on student loans? Because government shouldn’t make a profit. (Personally, I’d love to see a requirement that government make a profit on every dime it spends–that would cut government by 90%–Hurrah.)

    Bill Maher just sits there, nods his head, and basks in the applause of the drones in his audience. A man with intellectual integrity would ask Warren to explain her concepts, i.,e., what do you mean by fair?

    Not much chance of that.

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  20. Ralphie Member
    Ralphie
    @Ralphie

    An adult should not work full time and live their entire life in poverty. We believe that raising the minimum wage does not eliminate the word minimum; the wage will remain the lowest in comparison to other wages.  In a perfect world, equal pay for equal work would require the elimination of popular protections, like unions.  We believe it is not your employer’s business what kind of birth control you use, nor should you be denied access, nor should you then expect your employer to pay for something that isn’t his/her concern.  We don’t believe the government should be making money on student loans, nor do we believe government officials, like educators and politicians should be promoting college as a guaranteed method of financial security, and, when that fails promote a brute force solution like a minimum wage hike.

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  21. Devereaux Inactive
    Devereaux
    @Devereaux

    We miss the point.

    ?What is politics but misdirection, especially as practiced by the Left.

    So when she speaks of “raising the minimun wage” she doesn’t really give a hoot for that worked. What happens when the minimum wage goes up is that the union worker gets an automatic pay raise. Doesn’t even have to bargain for it, as most contracts have a tie to the minimum wage.

    And when she says we should have equal pay for equal work,. what she REALLY means is that the government should determine just what is equal to what.

    And her comments on birth control are simply lies that the Left has said over and over, hoping they will become considered truth over enough iterations. Never mind that it is easily refuted that women do NOT have access to birth control. Perpetrate the lie of “war on women”.

    As for the government making a profit on anything, one should look at the actions of the Dept of Interior, where they operate some very large mines out west and are something like 30+% of the market. They bring in something like $5B in PROFIT – every year. Competing with other companies that are trying to make a living doing similar miining.

    What you are observing is the ultimate shell game.

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