Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Dallas vs. Cleveland

 

shutterstock_181823792The RNC just announced that the choice for the location of the 2016 convention has narrowed to two cities: Dallas and Cleveland.

My choice, as I’ve mentioned before, was Detroit, which represents, tragically, the failure of modern progressive activism. What better place to announce that there’s a better, smarter, more compassionate, more effective, and more liberating way to run things? How cool would it have been to have events in broken down factories and ruined neighborhoods, all brought to you by the Democratic party? This, the RNC could have thundered, is what we’re going to change.

But, okay, they didn’t see it my way. So now it’s Dallas or Cleveland.

I love Dallas. But I think Cleveland is the right choice. There are already rumors that Cleveland is going to lose out, which is a shame, because it, too, represents a lot of what’s wrong with progressive politics. Republicans have to try, at least, to win in the cities. They have to take their arguments to urban America, especially in states that the party has been losing in presidential elections.

My worry is that Dallas — a lovely city — represents a retreat behind the barricades. I’d be more enthusiastic about a charge over the top.

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  1. Jules PA Member

    Choosing the terrain on which the Battle will be fought…
    Dallas is not a battlefield, it is the home field.
    I vote Cleveland. Cleveland offers opportunities for the RNC to break down stereotypes and reach the supposed unreachable with their message. Possibly better opportunities than Detroit. And lastly, isn’t Ohio a swing state. Seems like a no brainer. That settles it. Cleveland it is. :)

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    • June 25, 2014, at 12:11 PM PDT
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  2. Arahant Member

    Rob Long: My worry is that Dallas — a lovely city — represents a retreat behind the barricades. I’d be more enthusiastic about a charge over the top.

    Agreed. While I would have complained about your first choice since something that big is inconvenient to area residents, I still think Detroit would have been a good idea. (And maybe we could keep those Republicans down below Eight Mile!)

    But I also think Cleveland would be a good second choice and better than Dallas. Let’s be seen where nobody has seen us in generations.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 12:15 PM PDT
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  3. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Agreed. It should be Cleveland. Hugh Hewitt will be as relentless on this as he is in his interviews of clueless liberals. I’ll be tuning in today!

    P.S. Cleveland (suburb) is my hometown, so, yeah. Full disclosure seems appropriate.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 12:16 PM PDT
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  4. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I also think Cleveland is a great back-drop for what should be the Republicans’ 2014 and 2016 campaign theme: A New Direction. And this time, they should mean it.

    People are unified by one thing in this country: we’re on the wrong track.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 12:20 PM PDT
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  5. Arahant Member

    An additional benefit, let’s make the natives ask, “Where are your horns, your pointed tails, and your pitchforks? We were told you had them.” They won’t be asking that in Dallas.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 12:27 PM PDT
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  6. AIG Inactive

    Does it matter where the convention is held? It’s not as if anyone is going to be paying attention.

    Also, do you really think the GOP, or anyone other than the grace of God, is going to turn Detroit or Cleveland around?

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    • June 25, 2014, at 12:46 PM PDT
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  7. Profile Photo Member

    In 1980 when Ronald Reagan accepted the GOP nomination for President it was in the Joe Louis Arena in Detroit. As is the case today, the Democrats represented everything that was failing in America and the Gipper offered a can-do optimistic alternative. And he won by a landslide.

    Rob is correct. Detroit would have been a good choice for 2016. But as that’s out of the question now, Cleveland makes a decent runner-up.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 1:02 PM PDT
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  8. Casey Inactive

    I’m going to have to recuse myself due to a conflict of interest.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 1:03 PM PDT
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  9. The Mugwump Inactive

    I fully expect civil disorder and urban rioting to be the norm by 2016, so yeah, Dallas is the better choice.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 1:29 PM PDT
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  10. KC Mulville Inactive

    Rob Long:

    But, okay, they didn’t see it my way. So now it’s Dallas or Cleveland.

    I love Dallas. But I think Cleveland is the right choice. There are already rumors that Cleveland is going to lose out

     Rob … you don’t play the horses, do you? 

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    • June 25, 2014, at 1:31 PM PDT
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  11. Orion Inactive

    Picture insertion did not work…nevermind.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 1:47 PM PDT
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  12. EThompson Inactive

    But I think Cleveland is the right choice.

    I agree.

    Ohio is up for grabs (with Hudson as a substantial GOP stronghold) and frankly, Michigan is a lost cause. After numerous visits with my homies in the suburbs of Detroit over the years, I admit to being thoroughly disgusted with the politics of soccer moms, GM executives, and PETA activists.

    In re: to Dallas, I’d like to think the GOP has one state it can ‘take for granted’ as the Dems do CA, NY, MA, WA, WI, MN, and MI.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM PDT
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  13. EThompson Inactive

    Gary The Ex-Donk:

    In 1980 when Ronald Reagan accepted the GOP nomination for President it was in the Joe Louis Arena in Detroit.

     The Red Wings have even abandoned the Joe.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:07 PM PDT
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  14. Jimmy Carter Member
    Jimmy CarterJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    EThompson: In re: to Dallas, I’d like to think the GOP has one state it can ‘take for granted’ as the Dems do CA, NY, MA, WA, WI, MN, and MI.

    By 2016 TEXAS will have 32,566,841 more illegal residents with the Right to vote. The GOP will no longer have that privilege.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:22 PM PDT
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  15. EThompson Inactive

    Jimmy Carter:

    EThompson: In re: to Dallas, I’d like to think the GOP has one state it can ‘take for granted’ as the Dems do CA, NY, MA, WA, WI, MN, and MI.

    By 2016 TEXAS will have 32,566,841 more illegal residents with the Right to vote. The GOP will no longer have that privilege.

     Expliques: If you’re an illegal resident, how does one have the right to vote?

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:28 PM PDT
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  16. Jimmy Carter Member
    Jimmy CarterJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I’m talking amnesty by 2016.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:31 PM PDT
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  17. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSulJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Make it Cleveland, show Ohioans that the RNC actually wants to listen to midwesterners.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:40 PM PDT
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  18. EThompson Inactive

    Jimmy Carter:

    I’m talking amnesty by 2016.

     Hopefully, our Do Nothing Congress won’t make be able to make such “progress.”

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:49 PM PDT
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  19. donald todd Inactive

    Detroit is a broke city with a declining population, a declining industrial tax base, a declining property tax base, and no ability to support a Little League convention let alone a convention for a political party which might be declining into a second-tier position in the national political landscape.

    Cleveland, if we could get Johnny Football to visit, might be just what is needed. A bit of cache and a football play.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:51 PM PDT
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  20. Arahant Member

    EThompson: Michigan is a lost cause.

    I disagree. I understand where you’re coming from, but I also see that Michigan has a Republican (not necessarily conservative) Governor and there is good chance of taking the Senate seat which is coming up. It’s still a very purple state.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:55 PM PDT
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  21. Arahant Member

    Donald Todd: Detroit is a broke city with a declining population, a declining industrial tax base, a declining property tax base, and no ability to support a Little League convention let alone a convention for a political party which might be declining into a second-tier position in the national political landscape.

    I hate to jinx it, but I am seeing some hopeful signs in the area. Because Detroit is declining, the rest of the state is mattering more again.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 2:57 PM PDT
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  22. ctlaw Coolidge

    EThompson:

    But I think Cleveland is the right choice.

    I agree.

    Ohio is up for grabs (with Hudson as a substantial GOP stronghold) and frankly, Michigan is a lost cause. After numerous visits with my homies in the suburbs of Detroit over the years, I admit to being thoroughly disgusted with the politics of soccer moms, GM executives, and PETA activists.

    In re: to Dallas, I’d like to think the GOP has one state it can ‘take for granted’ as the Dems do CA, NY, MA, WA, WI, MN, and MI.

    We have WY and UT. If we develop a candidate stealthy enough to evade GAYDAR, we could get MT.

    You forgot ME, VT, RI, CT, NJ, HA, NM, IL, OR

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    • June 25, 2014, at 3:01 PM PDT
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  23. EThompson Inactive

    Arahant:

    EThompson: Michigan is a lost cause.

    I disagree. I understand where you’re coming from, but I also see that Michigan has a Republican (not necessarily conservative) Governor and there is good chance of taking the Senate seat which is coming up. It’s still a very purple state.

    Rick Snyder reminds me of the Mittster so obviously I admire him; I would argue that his election constitutes too little too late. Michigan has no fiscally vibrant urban center to attract intra/international business as does Illinois and New York.

    It is a unique state in the sense that Detroit and a major geographical portion- the UP- place enormous financial strain upon its economy.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 3:15 PM PDT
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  24. Paul A. Rahe Contributor

    Arahant:

    EThompson: Michigan is a lost cause.

    I disagree. I understand where you’re coming from, but I also see that Michigan has a Republican (not necessarily conservative) Governor and there is good chance of taking the Senate seat which is coming up. It’s still a very purple state.

     Michigan is also now a right-to-work state. I do not think highly of Rick Snyder, but the state is definitely drifting to the right. I doubt, however, whether Detroit has the facilities with which to host a convention.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 4:59 PM PDT
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  25. Arahant Member

    Good to see you here, Prof. Rahe.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 5:08 PM PDT
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  26. SkipSul Coolidge
    SkipSulJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Paul A. Rahe: I doubt, however, whether Detroit has the facilities with which to host a convention.

     I hear the old Packard plant has plenty of room… bit drafty though.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 5:16 PM PDT
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  27. EThompson Inactive

    Paul A. Rahe:

    Arahant:

    EThompson: Michigan is a lost cause.

    I disagree. I understand where you’re coming from, but I also see that Michigan has a Republican (not necessarily conservative) Governor and there is good chance of taking the Senate seat which is coming up. It’s still a very purple state.

    Michigan is also now a right-to-work state. I do not think highly of Rick Snyder, but the state is definitely drifting to the right. I doubt, however, whether Detroit has the facilities with which to host a convention.

    Unfortunately Professor Rahe, it doesn’t do much good to be a right-to-work state if there is no competitive work force!
    With that said, I was born, raised, and married in Bloomfield Hills; I’m a Wolverine, Wings, and Tigers fan and proud of Nugent and Seger and the Diego Rivera collection at the DIA. I’m simply verklempt that one of the nation’s most affluent cities (ranked 4th) in the 1940s succumbed to racial politics in such a brief period of time and was never able to recover.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 5:19 PM PDT
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  28. Nick Stuart Inactive

    EThompson:

    In re: to Dallas, I’d like to think the GOP has one state it can ‘take for granted’ as the Dems do CA, NY, MA, WA, WI, MN, and MI.

    Ooh, Ooh, don’t forget us here in Illinois, were George “Lyin” Ryan managed to destroy the Republican Party for decades to come.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 5:54 PM PDT
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  29. Manny Member

    I’m with Cleveland too for the reasons mentioned and because the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is there and hopefully we can somehow associate with it, which might gives us more of a hip perception.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 6:35 PM PDT
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  30. EThompson Inactive

    Sorry for the double post.

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    • June 25, 2014, at 7:47 PM PDT
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