Explanatory Journalism at its Finest

 

VoxVox continues to do God’s work by providing crucial context explaining current events and helping to create an informed citizenry able to understand the complex world in which we live. With ISIS militants at the gates of Bagdad, Dylan Matthews has cut to the heart of this multifaceted issue and provided crucial insight which will enable readers to make informed judgments about what America’s response to this situation should be. His article, “17 Reasons not to trust Dick Cheney,” is truly the key to understanding the shifting dynamics of war-torn Mesopotamia.

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  1. user_96427 Contributor
    user_96427
    @tommeyer

    Salvatore Padula: Dylan Matthews has cut to the heart of this multifaceted issue and provided crucial insight which will enable readers to make informed judgments about what America’s response to this situation should be.

    Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in this? ;)

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  2. C. U. Douglas Thatcher
    C. U. Douglas
    @CUDouglas

    Tom Meyer:

    Salvatore Padula: Dylan Matthews has cut to the heart of this multifaceted issue and provided crucial insight which will enable readers to make informed judgments about what America’s response to this situation should be.

    Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in this? ;)

    Maybe a smidgen … 

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  3. Vance Richards Member
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    How seriously can you take a Vox piece that isn’t even in Powerpoint format?

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  4. Mike H Coolidge
    Mike H
    @MikeH

    Like.

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  5. user_959530 Member
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    Is anyone actually reading this site?  The only plugs I’ve seen on social media are from employees of Vox.  Are people naturally flocking to the site?  I think most people understand it’s the daily kos with good new media production.

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  6. user_653084 Inactive
    user_653084
    @SalvatorePadula

    Bucky Boz:

    Is anyone actually reading this site? The only plugs I’ve seen on social media are from employees of Vox. Are people naturally flocking to the site? I think most people understand it’s the daily kos with good new media production.

     The five most read articles on Vox currently are:

    1) 9 questions about Yo you were embarrassed to ask
    2) Why you shouldn’t drive slowly in the left lane
    3) A scientist in 1906 found a better way to cut cake
    4) Amazon’s new smartphone, explained
    5) Amazon’s new phone is way too good

    These are truly important stories. If you aren’t reading Vox at least daily, I don’t see how you can consider yourself to be an informed citizen.

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  7. user_96427 Contributor
    user_96427
    @tommeyer

    C. U. Douglas: Maybe a smidgen … 

     The faintest wisp of a shadow of a hint?

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  8. user_959530 Member
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    @

    Salvatore Padula: The five most read articles on Vox currently are: 1) 9 questions about Yo you were embarrassed to ask 2) Why you shouldn’t drive slowly in the left lane 3) A scientist in 1906 found a better way to cut cake 4) Amazon’s new smartphone, explained 5) Amazon’s new phone is way too good These are truly important stories. If you aren’t reading Vox at least daily, I don’t see how you can consider yourself to be an informed citizen.

     Man, the satire does write itself.  Bravo Sal.

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  9. user_96427 Contributor
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    @tommeyer

    Salvatore Padula: These are truly important stories. If you aren’t reading Vox at least daily, I don’t see how you can consider yourself to be an informed citizen.

    Still… arguably more newsworthy than anything on CNN’s home page.

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  10. Mendel Inactive
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    @Mendel

    Considering that Vox has now become almost precisely what most of us predicted it would, we can probably just dispense with any “shocked, shocked!” pretensions and just turn this thread into a (well-deserved) victory lap.

    But before we pop too much champagne, I would like to point out that there have been several online endeavors launched over the last few years by some of the most talented 30-something conservative journalists which have also been…..disappointing. 

    The embarrassing hubris of the “wonk” crowd is certainly to blame for much of Vox’ underwhelming impression. But perhaps this wave of unimpressive “new” media also harbors a more sobering lesson: that some of the etrapments of old, stodgy media institutions might actually add a significant amount of value.

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  11. user_959530 Member
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    I want to play the Vox mock headline game-

    7 Grammar Rules You Should Ignores
    11 Slides Showing Why Wal-Mart Fair Trade Coffee Isn’t Really Fair After All
    The 6 Continents Not Hosting the World Cup, and Why They Matter
    How to Inoffensively Flip Off a Light Switch in 3 Simple Steps
    These 2 Branches of Government Explain Why President Obama Cannot Stop School Shootings Alone

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  12. Frank Soto Contributor
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    @FrankSoto

    You can’t create effective satire of Vox.  I tried.  They are beyond parody.

    This is from their twitter feed.

    vox

    Jay Carney was less in the tank for  the administration.

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  13. C. U. Douglas Thatcher
    C. U. Douglas
    @CUDouglas

    Bucky Boz:

    Is anyone actually reading this site? The only plugs I’ve seen on social media are from employees of Vox. Are people naturally flocking to the site? I think most people understand it’s the daily kos with good new media production.

    The answer there is yes. My brother frequently turns to Vox and posts their drivel on his FB feed. This is why you should never friend relatives on social media. Really, Vox.com exists as a Confirmation Bias Aggregation site for people like my brother who are so firmly entrenched in their progressivism.

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  14. user_959530 Member
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    @

    C. U. Douglas: The answer there is yes. My brother frequently turns to Vox and posts their drivel on his FB feed. This is why you should never friend relatives on social media. Really, Vox.com exists as a Confirmation Bias Aggregation site for people like my brother who are so firmly entrenched in their progressivism.

     My only fear with Vox is that its production value and mixing in of cat video-level news will lull people into thinking it’s an actual new site.  So far, it seems that only the Daily Kos crowd has tuned in.  Hopefully it never breaks the silo.

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  15. C. U. Douglas Thatcher
    C. U. Douglas
    @CUDouglas

    Bucky Boz:

    C. U. Douglas: The answer there is yes. My brother frequently turns to Vox and posts their drivel on his FB feed. This is why you should never friend relatives on social media. Really, Vox.com exists as a Confirmation Bias Aggregation site for people like my brother who are so firmly entrenched in their progressivism.

    My only fear with Vox is that its production value and mixing in of cat video-level news will lull people into thinking it’s an actual new site. So far, it seems that only the Daily Kos crowd has tuned in. Hopefully it never breaks the silo.

    If there’s something that kills Vox, I expect it’ll be their refusal to allow discussion on site. So many news sites allow commentary. Vox.com for whatever reason insulates themselves from any criticism on their own website.

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  16. user_653084 Inactive
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    @SalvatorePadula

    Mendel: The embarrassing hubris of the “wonk” crowd is certainly to blame for much of Vox’ underwhelming impression. But perhaps this wave of unimpressive “new” media also harbors a more sobering lesson: that some of the etrapments of old, stodgy media institutions might actually add a significant amount of value.

     I think a lot of the problem with wonkiness is that self-proclaimed wonks frequently make two incorrect assumptions. 

    The first that they can adequately explain complex matters of public policy in a way that a mass audience will find engaging and accessible. This isn’t the case. Being a policy wonk means getting into the details and most people simply don’t care enough to do that. You can either be substantive or popularly read, it’s virtually impossible to do both.

    The second mistake (one to which left-leaning wonks are particularly prone) is that they refuse to acknowledge that they have a personal ideology which informs their policy analysis and preference. They tend to think of themselves as post-ideological, viewing their policy preferences as solely the product of objective analysis. Consequently, they are frequently surprised to encounter disagreement based on divergent starting premises.

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  17. user_959530 Member
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    C. U. Douglas:

    Bucky Boz:

    C. U. Douglas: The answer there is yes. My brother frequently turns to Vox and posts their drivel on his FB feed. This is why you should never friend relatives on social media. Really, Vox.com exists as a Confirmation Bias Aggregation site for people like my brother who are so firmly entrenched in their progressivism.

    My only fear with Vox is that its production value and mixing in of cat video-level news will lull people into thinking it’s an actual new site. So far, it seems that only the Daily Kos crowd has tuned in. Hopefully it never breaks the silo.

    If there’s something that kills Vox, I expect it’ll be their refusal to allow discussion on site. So many news sites allow commentary. Vox.com for whatever reason insulates themselves from any criticism on their own website.

     But I think they are outsourcing the comments to twitter, facebook, and other sites.  Comments clutter up the site itself and make for a bad landing page.  I don’t think the lack of audience interaction will kill the site.

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  18. user_653084 Inactive
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    @SalvatorePadula

    Mendel: But before we pop too much champagne, I would like to point out that there have been several online endeavors launched over the last few years by some of the most talented 30-something conservative journalists which have also been…..disappointing.

    That’s very true.

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  19. user_653084 Inactive
    user_653084
    @SalvatorePadula

    C. U. Douglas: Vox.com exists as a Confirmation Bias Aggregation site

    This is perhaps the best description of Vox I’ve come across, though in fairness it applies pretty well to most of the internet.

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  20. user_959530 Member
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    @

    A few weeks ago, someone had a post about an environmental magazine profiling Hillary that usually runs articles along the lines of “how to hug a tree without sexually harassing it.”  

    Whoever that was, please chime in here and play the mock-Vox headline game.

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  21. Ryan M Member
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    @RyanM

    hah – statements pulled out of context and proven to have ultimately been untrue.  You know, with 6 years of Obama quotes under our belts, I wonder what an enterprising young journalist with the talent of Dylan Matthews could do to skewer our sitting president?  Yeah, you’re right.  Probably nothing.  Just no material, there.

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  22. Mendel Inactive
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    @Mendel

    Salvatore Padula:

    Mendel

    The first that they can adequately explain complex matters of public policy in a way that a mass audience will find engaging and accessible. This isn’t the case. Being a policy wonk means getting into the details and most people simply don’t care enough to do that. You can either be substantive or popularly read, it’s virtually impossible to do both.

    I disagree somewhat. It’s not impossible to distill a complex, technical subject into a digestible form while still retaining the most important themes. There are a few good journalists who do so on a regular basis, and in the business world it happens on a daily basis.

    But it’s an incredibly tough task, and most modern “journalists” fail to appreciate the hard work required – especially those on the left who are so adored by their fans that they are lulled into believing their intellectual prowess can substitute for hard work.

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  23. Frank Soto Contributor
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

    Iowahawk has been having fun at Vox’s expense.  

    Some highlights:

    “My car in your living room shows why I need a bigger bar tab.”

    “My Forgetting To Pay Income Taxes For The Past 3 Years Shows Why I Deserve a Raise.”

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  24. Mendel Inactive
    Mendel
    @Mendel

    Bucky Boz:

    C. U. Douglas:

    Bucky Boz:

    If there’s something that kills Vox, I expect it’ll be their refusal to allow discussion on site. So many news sites allow commentary. Vox.com for whatever reason insulates themselves from any criticism on their own website.

    But I think they are outsourcing the comments to twitter, facebook, and other sites. Comments clutter up the site itself and make for a bad landing page. I don’t think the lack of audience interaction will kill the site.

     Agree that not having comments is a benefit. 

    The primary mission of a news site should be informing people. Most comment sections do not add any meaningful value to that objective, and the poor quality and tone of most comment sections only serves to drag down the dignity of the original content. 

    There are enough places on the internet to hash out the latest NYT article at a third-grade reading level – the Times’ own website should not be one of those.

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  25. user_385039 Inactive
    user_385039
    @donaldtodd

    If my memory, which admittedly is old, remembers correctly, Saddam Hussein used chemical warfare against his countrymen.  One instance is known as the Halabja Massacre or Bloody Friday.  It is a well documented and Vox managed not to figure that one out. 

    There were delivery systems for chemical weapons which were found.  The chemical weapons were missing.  One wonders about missing chemicals for weapons systems which had been previously used.  Or perhaps one builds weapons systems for no good reason at all?

    It was reported in several quarters that convoys of trucks were leaving Iraq and going to Syria immediately prior to the second Gulf War.  No one knows what was on those trucks, so maybe Vox can check and see if it was a sight-seeing tour?

    Vox continues to do God’s work”.  I don’t know what to do with that one.

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  26. user_653084 Inactive
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    @SalvatorePadula

    Donald Todd: “Vox continues to do God’s work”. I don’t know what to do with that one.

     Are you familiar with the concept of sarcasm?

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  27. genferei Member
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    @genferei

    As the market shows, again and again, reportage and punditry is worthless unless considered entertainment.
    As to the equivalent conservative sites being equally underwhelming, I can only agree. The Federalist, to take a recent example, is un-navigable and un-readable. If only Mollie could be liberated…

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  28. user_86050 Inactive
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    @KCMulville

    Twenty-somethings trying to explain things to twenty-somethings. 

    Dude, the Constitution was like, more than ten years ago.

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  29. user_653084 Inactive
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    @SalvatorePadula

    KC Mulville:

    Twenty-somethings trying to explain things to twenty-somethings.

    Dude, the Constitution was like, more than ten years ago.

     I don’t think ignorance of public policy is a uniquely, or even particularly,  twenty-something vice.

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  30. user_385039 Inactive
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    @donaldtodd

    Salvatore Padula: Donald Todd: “Vox continues to do God’s work”. I don’t know what to do with that one.

    Are you familiar with the concept of sarcasm?

    I am.  I wasn’t aware that you were being sarcastic.  My fault.  dt

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