Man vs. Bear — The Debate.

 

Here in Oregon, a rancher recently shot and killed a black bear that was hunting his cattle. The bear made the news, as it hit a record-breaking (for this area) size of 490 pounds. That is a lot of black bear, which is the smallest and most widespread of the species in North America. Of course, the real fun of this article is the comments section. As could be expected, the arguments boil down to city environmentalists versus country conservationists.

For us city folk, the arguments come down to three points:

1.  The bear was just doing what bears do, hunting for food.

2.  We’re the trespassers on the bears’ natural habitat.

3.  It’s just mean to kill bears for little reason.

I’ll see if I can refute my fellow city folk’s arguments.

Yes, the bear was just doing what it does. However, bears like to go for easy meals and will frequent an area where they know they can get them. Once this bear decided that he’d found the world’s best beef buffet, he would have stuck around until he’d eaten his fill. This being early spring, that could be a while. Bears are large animals and there’s little deterring them.

Point two is essentially a reference to “urban sprawl,” which is essentially a popular myth. The contiguous United States is only 5% developed, and the bar to be considered “developed” is set pretty low. Even the most urban states of New Jersey and Rhode Island are only 33% developed. Here in the West, we are on the very low end of development. We’re hardly expanding into the bears’ turf. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but it’s not as dramatic as the “urban sprawl” narrative would indicate. Moreover, this took place in rural southern Oregon on long-established ranch land. 

If anything, bears move in on our turf. A couple of decades ago, Oregon voters made it more difficult to hunt black bears. The ads run by environmental interests showed dramatic, heart-rending pictures of scared bears being hunted. Urban and suburban Oregon rushed to vote in favor of the limitations. Of course, if the bears are hunted, they will breed and increase in numbers. Bears are very territorial animals. They don’t like to share their hunting grounds with other bears too much. The more bears there are, the more they will spread out in search of their own hunting ground — which can mean human areas.

You can say what you want about trophy hunting, but the last point is very subjective. It also ignores all the objective costs in losing cattle to a hungry bear. One cow can have a value somewhere between an old used car and a brand new automobile. Imagine if someone came by your house and destroyed your VW Bug one night, then came back to sniff around your Prius. You are probably going to do something about it.

Finally, despite everything that Disney taught you, Bears aren’t human. They don’t reason. They don’t discuss the issues with you.

They are kind of like Progressives.

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  1. user_537146 Inactive
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    @PatrickLasswell

    When you want to protect a species, make it fun, legal. and prestigious to hunt. Hunters invest in their recreation more effectively than “environmentalists” or bureaucrats because they seek a measurable result for themselves and their posterity.

    There are only so many 747 aircraft configured to deploy the volumes of capsicum necessary to deter bear infiltration, and we”d rather use them to fight wildfires. Bears are best managed by legal hunters, not Sriracha; painting the West in hot sauce is not responsible animal management.

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  2. Misthiocracy Member
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    @Misthiocracy

    Patrick Lasswell: When you want to protect a species, make it fun, legal. and prestigious to hunt….

    …or to farm.

    Need ivory? Start an elephant farm.

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  3. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    @CUDouglas

    Patrick Lasswell:

    When you want to protect a species, make it fun, legal. and prestigious to hunt. Hunters invest in their recreation more effectively than “environmentalists” or bureaucrats because they seek a measurable result for themselves and their posterity.

    There are only so many 747 aircraft configured to deploy the volumes of capsicum necessary to deter bear infiltration, and we”d rather use them to fight wildfires. Bears are best managed by legal hunters, not Sriracha; painting the West in hot sauce is not responsible animal management.

     Besides, the last thing we need are bears with a taste for Asian-fusion cuisine.

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  4. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Patrick Lasswell:
    Bears are best managed by legal hunters, not Sriracha; painting the West in hot sauce is not responsible animal management.

    Yes, you should apply the pepper sauce after you’ve shot and butchered the bear.  Anybody have any good recipes for a bear steak marinade?

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  5. skipsul Inactive
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    C. U. Douglas:

    Doug Watt:

    In the case of a big cat that’s nonsense. In the case of the bear it might run or it might attack depending how badly it wants to protect its’ food source or if it decides the vegan diet is getting dull. To a mountain lion you are either prey or a competitor. The mountain lion is a patient stalker and they will stalk a human being. Bears will stalk a human being as well but they have one disadvantage, they stink. They can remain hidden in the brush or trees but with a bear you at least know it’s there. Now some urbanites have a desire to be one with bear or the lion and it is possible, unfortunately it will probably be in bite sized digestible chunks.

    Cougar are a problem. Occasionally there’s a report of a cougar attack in the surrounding suburbs.

     Just buy them off with flowers and an apologetic card.

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  6. user_348375 Member
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    C. U.,

    I can bearly hear you from Woodburn…

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  7. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
    C. U. Douglas
    @CUDouglas

    Tom Riehl:

    C. U.,

    I can bearly hear you from Woodburn…

     I holler in your direction next time I’m in that neck of the woods — woods being a place where bears go. My folks live there, so I go to Woodburn on occasion.

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  8. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    @JimGoneWild

    Doug Watt: ow I have heard people say that these two animals are more afraid of you than you are of them. In the case of a big cat that’s nonsense.

     They may not be afraid of humans, they just don’t want to be around them. What’s the difference.

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  9. Seawriter Contributor
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    @Seawriter

    JimGoneWild:  They [cougars] may not be afraid of humans, they just don’t want to be around them. What’s the difference.

     May I suggest the difference is there are two ways to not be around humans:

    1. Avoid them.
    2. Kill them.

    An animal that is afraid of humans is more likely to opt for (1) rather than (2).  One that is unafraid of humans will – at a minimum – give (2) greater consideration.

    I am for animals reviving Kipling’s Law of the Jungle, especially:

         Ye may kill for yourselves, and your mates,
           and your cubs as they need, and ye can;
         But kill not for pleasure of killing,
           and seven times never kill Man!

    Seawriter

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  10. DocJay Inactive
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    @DocJay

    I theoretically may kill one of these furry things in 6 months in Idaho.   No clue what I’ll do with it though.  Maybe just cuddle the fur.

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  11. douglaswatt25@yahoo.com Member
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    JimGoneWild:

    Doug Watt: ow I have heard people say that these two animals are more afraid of you than you are of them. In the case of a big cat that’s nonsense.

    They may not be afraid of humans, they just don’t want to be around them. What’s the difference.

    The difference is when they want to be around you you’re on the menu. Hmmm, all soft and pink, no hooves, horns, or fur. – a tip of the hat to cartoonist Gary Larson  

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  12. user_537146 Inactive
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    @PatrickLasswell

    DocJay:

    I theoretically may kill one of these furry things in 6 months in Idaho. No clue what I’ll do with it though. Maybe just cuddle the fur.

     Slow cook the flesh. Tan the hide. Keep the skull as a warning to progressives who bother you. 

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  13. Seawriter Contributor
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    @Seawriter

    Patrick Lasswell: Keep the skull as a warning to progressives who bother you. 

     I like that idea.

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  14. Misthiocracy Member
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    @Misthiocracy

    Seawriter: I am for animals reviving Kipling’s Law of the Jungle, especially: Ye may kill for yourselves, and your mates, and your cubs as they need, and ye can; But kill not for pleasure of killing, and seven times never kill Man!

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  15. DocJay Inactive
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    @DocJay

    Thanks Patrick!

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