Stop the Presses! Nancy Pelosi Agrees with Paul Rahe!

 

Sorta.

In a recent post, Paul argued that much of the animus directed at the Catholic church (most recently on contraception) by liberal Catholics and the liberal media and the liberal establishment is in fact a matter of chickens coming  home to roost: i.e., that over the past few decades the bishops and clergy gave cover to a left that interpreted the Sermon on the Mount as a ringing call for a bigger and more encompassing federal government. The sub-theme here is that this was done while traditional doctrines went untaught.

Now Nancy Pelosi chimes in. The National Catholic Register has a story quoting the former Speaker as saying the following:

Ninety-eight percent of women in childbearing age that are Catholic use contraception. So, in practice the church has not enforced this and now they want the federal government and private insurance to enforce it. It just isn’t consistent to me.

Methinks Paul would agree with the very next line in the Register story, which says that “[l]eaving aside the bogusness of her silly statistics and the absurdity that not forcing people to pay for something is enforcing a religious rule, Nancy has a point.”

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    @DavidWilliamson

    Whenever I read of chickens coming home to roost I remember the way that Rev. Wright said it – quite appropriate, here.

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    @MelFoil

    I think the “unholy alliance” began with Catholics in big city (Democrat) unions, both public and private. That was one of the first areas where working-class Catholics could get ahead–union leadership. Today, civil service unions, teachers unions, police unions, firefighter unions, and nursing unions are full of Catholic Democrats. I think that’s where the problem started. From there comes political power and financial power, and that power eventually seduces everyone, including some priests and even some bishops.

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    @user_225567

    I am not following the reasoning here.  It’s like the argument that just because we were allied with Joseph Stalin briefly during WWII, we were unjustified in taking issue with his Gulag policy.  Yes, we cannot be proud of that ally in the War and we certainly should be ashamed of the terrible price much of Eastern Europe paid for our cooperation with Stalin, but that doesn’t mean we and the Eastern European had no moral right to reject Stalinism or communism.  

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    @DavidWilliamson
    maureen dirienzo:

    To the young Georgetown law student who whined on camera about not being able to afford her pills, has she never heard of student loans? 

    I’m guessing she also whines about having to pay back student loans.

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    @PaulARahe

    My first thought was this: If Nancy Pelosi agrees with me, I must be wrong. My second was this: On the crucial point — what is to be done? — she does not agree with me at all. She believes that, if the bishops and priests are not willing to instruct the members of the Church in a doctrine of the Catholic faith, that doctrine should simply be dropped. I believe that, if the bishops and priests are remiss in this manner, they should be reprimanded.

    Ms. Pelosi is a clever, clever woman. That much I will grant her. She mentions contraception; she is silent on the morning-after pill, which is an abortifacient. The stratagem that she and Kathleen Sebelius persuaded Barack Obama to adopt is merely the opening wedge. A year from now, if the bishops give in, she will be telling us, “They accepted the morning-after pill, which is an abortifacient. They have no grounds left for rejecting abortion at all.” And if they do give in, she will be right to do so.

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    @kylez

    I’m really hoping this whole business, as well as the looming health bill in general, serves to be the Obama administration’s undoing. This issue needs to continue to play out in the media for the next 8 months, and especially, and hopefully, in the Romney campaign.

    Unfortunately, Pelosi is a rep from a left-wing district so there is no hope for her replacement. Just hopefully her further marginalization and irrelevance.

    So Washington has not been requiring the Catholic church (or any) to provide free contraception and that has been enforcement of Catholic doctrine by government?

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    @BillMcGurn

    Paul is right of course. But Mrs. P and he are in agreement on her main assertion: the church really did not teach its teaching on contraception. Likely it was because too many bishops and priests simply disagreed with Humanae Vitae or they agreed but didn’t have the stomach to stand up for it.

    It wasn’t just HV. And we have no better example of the stunning ignorance about what the Catholic church teaches than one of the most prominent Catholic laywomen in America, Nancy Pelosi — the product of a Catholic grade school, a Catholic high school, and a Catholic university.  

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    @KCMulville
    Bill McGurn: And we have no better example of the stunning ignorance about what the Catholic church teaches than one of the most prominent Catholic laywomen in America, Nancy Pelosi — the product of a Catholic grade school, a Catholic high school, and a Catholic university. 

    With all due respect, Bill, I feel compelled to ask:

    Where did you learn about the Church’s teaching? If you learned about it in a Catholic school, your thesis doesn’t hold up.

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    @user_86644

    yes- what is to be done now? what are our steps forward after all this willful behavior…

    I don’t think it is all bad catechesis…  the  problem within the Church is the problem outside the walls too– the protestant revolution is ongoing to cataclysm–  our counter efforts need to be more than intramural..

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    @HaakonDahl

    Pelosi is right to the extent that she walks in a path blazed by Rahe.  Pity that her excursions from it do not bring physical pain.

    The Catholic Church has no excuse in this: they are supposed to be wise in the ways of not selling your soul.  Well, Obama has the deed, signed about a hundred years ago.

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    @SusanBerry

    The Church does, in fact, teach its doctrine. The Church’s views on sexuality and contraception are usually taught, for example, in “Pre-Cana,” the program all engaged couples are required to attend before marriage in the Church.  But, realistically, the Church cannot “enforce” something like contraception. It can only say, “This is who we are; this is what we teach.”

    As we know, however, only Pelosi and the left would want us to believe that contraception is the real issue here. Her statement demonstrates that she has gone beyond cleverness and into the realm of sociopathy by counting on unthinking Americans to become utterly confused by her manufactured argument that mixes church doctrine with statist economic mandates. Her love of the word, “enforce” underscores further the statist that she is: She defies the Church’s “law” regarding abortion, mocks the bishops for their “weakness” in enforcing their own law, then supports the left’s own “mandate” and says “We will not be weak, like you bishops; We will make sure people are forced to obey our law.” She is a “twisted sister.”

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    @BillMcGurn
    Susan Berry: The Church does, in fact, teach its doctrine. The Church’s views on sexuality and contraception are usually taught, for example, in “Pre-Cana,” the program all engaged couples are required to attend before marriage in the Church. 

    KC, I grew  up in a home where my parents regarded themselves as our primary teachers. I went to Catholic grade school and Catholic university, and the religious education in both was a joke. The home of my childhood where the claims of faith were taken seriously, argued, and analyzed, often against the counterclaims of our time.

    No Catholic school or university, no matter how faithful, cannot guarantee it’s students will be faithful. All ought to guarantee that their graduates leave *understanding* the Catholic faith — so that they at least know what they are rejecting. 

    Years ago I taught CCD in Boston, and in HK was part of pre-Cana. Most of the texts were a joke. My daughter is now going through training for Confirmation. Most of what she is getting is fluff. Mrs. Sebelius has declared war on Catholic institutions, but as Paul noted, many long ago ran up the white flag on their own.

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    @Pseudodionysius

    In support of Bill’s thesis, I am a convert who learned Catholic doctrine by ignoring the RCIA teachers in my parish, and spending vast swaths of disposable income filling the coffers of fine Catholic book publishers.

    The doctrinal cupboards of many Catholic institutions have been empty for quite some time.

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    @EJHill

    Socialist government does offer absolution from personal responsibility.

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    @user_86644

    1.Nancy talked about the Church not “enforcing”

    2. Today on the news we hear of the outraged lesbian who thinks receiving communion is her right. apparently her priest tried “enforcing”….

    3. What’s a Church to do?

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    @user_86644

    Some say the priest should have had a pastoral moment with her to explain to her privately– I don’t know what happened there– but he apparently had enough knowledge of her to know of her chosen lifestyle…

    She says she was totally surprised.  Does that mean she did not have enough knowledge of the Faith  to know that she was not eligible for the Sacrament?

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    @maureendirienzo

    Pelosi’s false premise seems to be that the only way a woman can get contraception products is through insurance with zero co-pay.  

    To the young Georgetown law student who whined on camera about not being able to afford her pills, has she never heard of student loans? 

    What flabbergasts me the most about this whole story is the utter cheek, the sense of entitlement, and the helpless victim-hood these women portray.  What happened to women being capable and independent?  It is embarrassing and pathetic. 

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    @KCMulville

    Bill McGurn & Pseud …

    A challenge … Suppose the majority of Catholic women do use artificial contraception. maybe not 98%, but even 50%. Which is more likely?

    • They don’t know that the church opposes contraception? That they’ve never heard such a thing? No one told them?
    • Or is it more likely that they know, but they don’t care?

    I say the latter is far more likely.

    As for the education, you pretty much make my point. In both cases, you supplied the one thing that made the difference – motivation.

    I sat in religion class (or theology in college) and learned. The guy sitting next to me, who was just as intelligent and just as decent a person, didn’t learn a thing. The only difference was motivation. I had it, he didn’t. Of course, you could say the same for most subjects. The difference wasn’t at the front of the class. The difference was in the seats.

    But for argument’s sake, what would you do about it?  How would you fix this situation?  Mandatory theology? Homilies as doctrinal treatises? I’m open to ideas …

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    @Pseudodionysius

    But for argument’s sake, what would you do about it?   

    You seem to ignore the possibility that God’s grace works in such a way that when large masses of the clergy refuse to teach with the Church and invoke proportionalism and other such theological errors, God calls insufferable lay porcupines like me to poke consciences and cause no end of trouble in the world and the Church.

    Priests are supposed to care for all the sheep in their flock, not just the keeners in the front row. What to do about it was covered in a 1998 article in Catholic Dossier magazine by Fr Romanus Cessario, OP called St. Therese, Seminarians, and the Future. Unfortunately, I can no longer locate an Adobe Acrobat file online, though I do have a hard copy.

    Most women of my acquaintance who use contraception have heard no substantive, sustained critiques of the subject by anyone with any philosophical, medical or theological training. Women, like men, are formed by the culture and respond to personal witness. That’s why Christ walked the earth as God and man, rather than just sending an email.

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    @Pseudodionysius

    The Lord works in mysterious ways.

    Here is the article I mentioned.

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    @Pseudodionysius

    Or is it more likely that they know, but they don’t care?

    At one time, the same thing could be said for black slavery. What role did moral suasion by church leaders play in that?

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    @Pseudodionysius

    The only difference was motivation. 

    I would think sin plays a role as well.

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