Tony Blair: The Islamists Seek “Supremacy Not Coexistence”

 

In today’s London Telegraph, Charles Moore, Lady Thatcher’s biographer (once a guest on Uncommon Knowledge) interviews Tony Blair:

After September 11, 2001, [former prime minister Tony Blair] now thinks, he underestimated the power of the bad ”narrative’’ of Islamist extremists. That narrative – that ”The West oppresses Islam” – ”is still there. If anything, it has grown.’’ It seeks ”supremacy not coexistence’’. He fears that ”The West is asleep on this issue’’, and yet it is the biggest challenge. In Africa, all the good things he sees through his Africa Governance Initiative face ”this threat above all others’’. In ”Sudan, Mali, Nigeria, outbursts in Tanzania and Kenya’’, sectarian Islamist extremism is the great and growing problem. By implication, Mr Blair seems to doubt President Obama’s outreach to Islam, because it tends to deal with the wrong people. Since Obama’s Cairo speech in 2009, ”the whole context has changed’’. The Muslim Brotherhood is taking over large parts of the Arab world, and ”the people without the loudest voices are desperate for our leadership’’.

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  1. Profile Photo Member

    From the Bumper Sticker Answers thread:

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    Obviously many Muslims do coexist with us peacefully. However, Islam itself, being not just a religion but an all-encompassing ideology that wants to control government, public and private life, has a problem accepting coexistence with other religions. Until Islam can be reformed to accept status as a religion among others, not bound to impose its way on others by force, and leaving certain matters to the sphere of civil society, etc., we will have problems with Islamist supremacy.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM PDT
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  2. KC Mulville Inactive

    Remember that recent study that claimed that while conservatives understand liberal arguments, liberals can’t understand conservatives?

    How does anyone expect liberals to understand a different culture, religion, and history?

    They deal with Islam in the same way they deal with conservatism; they rely solely on their own self-serving caricature of it.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 8:55 AM PDT
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  3. David Williamson Inactive

    Mr Blair was a disaster for the UK, but he has always been one of the few Western politicians to understand Islamism.

    Great interview – thanks for pointing it out.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 9:01 AM PDT
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  4. Liver Pate Inactive

    Its nice to see that Tony Blair is just now regaining consciousness from the savage 2005 beating he received from Nigel Farage.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 9:22 AM PDT
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  5. donald todd Inactive

    Many Moslems co-exist peacefully because they lack the population numbers and/or the political strength to enforce sharia on both slack Moslems and on non-Moslems. Watch and see how much worse things become for the Copts in Egypt. Watch and see what has happened to Christian churches throughout the middle East. There is no co-exist. There is death or dhimmitude.

    This is not like a dialogue between the Baptists and the Catholics. It is not a dialogue at all.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 9:27 AM PDT
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  6. iWe Reagan
    iWe

    Tony Blair is frustrating. He is sort of like Krauthammer or George Will: when it really mattered, they wussed out.

    Now that he is aiming for “elder statesman”, he can be right, for a change.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 9:30 AM PDT
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  7. David Williamson Inactive
    Pseudodionysius: 

    Gosh, Mr Farage has gained a few grey hairs since then, while Mr Blair only looks more suntanned.

    Mr Blair’s response in the video explains well why he was a disaster for the UK – I’m surprised the European bureaucrats haven’t appointed him President so that he could drag the UK into the failed Euro.

    Mr Farage, by contrast, would make a great UK Prime Minister. Sadly, that is unlikely.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 9:33 AM PDT
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  8. Hang On Member

    Blair — as with all people on the left — ties himself in knots on the question of how WE can help THEM, those poor people in the Islamic world who just haven’t seen the light and do things as we do. The notion of they are desperate for OUR leadership is 1) so self-deluded, 2) so self-important, and 3) so wrong.

    Of course, Islamists are seeking supremacy. That’s what people do. But I don’t worry about them. Why? 1) They are frozen in amber. 2) They have one and only one thing we need — energy. We are undergoing an energy revolution at least here in North America and there’s no reason to think their oil revenues will diminish. 3) It is an unappealing set of ideas that is oppressive.

    These were countries without the rule of law. They will continue to be. As such, they’re quite unimportant.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:01 AM PDT
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  9. Benjamin Glaser Member

    It is worth remembering that when Assad’s regime falls the Christians in Syria (and the tens of thousands of Iraqi Christians that fled Iraq) will lose their constitutionally guaranteed protections and face brutal persecution at the hands of the Islamists that will take over.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:04 AM PDT
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  10. Tom Roberts Inactive

    As with his understanding of economic policy, phony Tony finally gets it about ten years too late ! This is the buffoon who wanted Britain to join the Euro remember. Well before he became Prime Minister, I could tell he was just an unusually smarmy and devious, but otherwise bog standard leftie.

    I still don’t understand how he gets paid such huge fees for consultancies, unless his clients have learned to listen to his advice and then do the exact opposite of what he suggests !

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:06 AM PDT
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  11. Umbra Fractus Inactive

    Honestly, I was more impressed with some of the things he said about the financial crisis. He even defended Lady Thatcher’s legacy!

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:08 AM PDT
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  12. Larry Koler Inactive

    This reminds me of Karl Rove finally figuring out how bad it was for Bush and his team to not defend themselves. He said that it was the biggest mistake they made. And Rove only comes to this realization after the fact and after he has no power whatsoever to improve things.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:09 AM PDT
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  13. Liver Pate Inactive

    EU President Blair: A retired, clapped out ex-premier

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:15 AM PDT
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  14. Brian Watt Member

    Well, Mr. Blair certainly didn’t clear his remarks with Maxine Waters. The effrontery! Harrumph!

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    • July 25, 2012, at 10:52 AM PDT
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  15. Britanicus Inactive
    Donald Todd: Watch and see how much worse things become for the Copts in Egypt. Watch and see what has happened to Christian churches throughout the middle East.

    There are still Copts in the Middle East? Brave souls…

    Somewhat off topic, but one of my favorite standard liberal bits about Israel is “the Israelis are taking over land that has been Muslim for centuries!” or some variety of the sort. Clearly, these soft-minded liberals forgot about the (once huge) Christian Middle East population that predates Islam by some 700 years. Not to mention the Jewish population that predates both Christians and Muslims.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 11:07 AM PDT
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  16. Britanicus Inactive
    Benjamin Glaser: It is worth remembering that when Assad’s regime falls the Christians in Syria (and the tens of thousands of Iraqi Christians that fled Iraq) will lose their constitutionally guaranteed protections and face brutal persecution at the hands of the Islamists that will take over. · 1 hour ago

    Not to be rude, but no one (aside from some conservatives and religious folk) cares about Christians in this part of the world–or really, in any part of the world.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 11:09 AM PDT
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  17. Lance K. Drumheller Inactive
    Pseudodionysius: Its nice to see that Tony Blair is just now regaining consciousness from the savage 2005 beating he received from Nigel Farage. · 1 hour ago

    This should be a UKIP commercial. Tony Blair sounds as non-prophetic as Hilary Clinton calling Assad a reformer.

    “This is the year 2005. Not 1945. We’re not fighting eachother anymore. These are our partners; these are our colleagues and our future lies in Europe.” —Tony Blair

    He goes on to say that the UK receives a unified Europe and economic development for all it contributes to “enlargement” (a term I had not used before and prefer not to hear again).

    Here’s what Nigel Farage would say next in the UKIP commercial:

    “This is the year 2012. Not 2005. We’re fighting again because our partners and colleagues have revealed themselves to be tax-evaders and spendthrifts. It was said our future lies in Europe. I say it is swimming the channel.”

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    • July 25, 2012, at 11:10 AM PDT
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  18. Lance K. Drumheller Inactive

    Michael Horn: Not to be rude, but no one (aside from some conservatives and religious folk) cares about Christians in this part of the world–or really, in any part of the world.

    I’m sorry, comrade. These Christians you speak of do not make the list of minorities approved by the politiburo. They do, however, qualify for our preferred premium scapegoat plan.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 11:17 AM PDT
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  19. donald todd Inactive

    Michael Horn: Not to be rude, but no one (aside from some conservatives and religious folk) cares about Christians in this part of the world–or really, in any part of the world.

    Not to be rude, but I am not you and I do care about those people. Of course I do qualify under both religious folk and conservatives. I believe my confrere above also qualifies under those considerations. Thanks Ameriherron. If you are in Georgia, lets meet at Starbucks and chat. dt

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    • July 25, 2012, at 11:27 AM PDT
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  20. with me where I am Inactive
    David Williamson
    Pseudodionysius: 

    Mr Farage, by contrast, would make a great UK Prime Minister. Sadly, that is unlikely. · 1 hour ago

    There’s always the possibility that, when all else fails, the UK will turn to the one person who’s been speaking the truth loud and long, as it did in May 1940. However, I recognize that is a highly unlikely possibility.

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    • July 25, 2012, at 11:33 AM PDT
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  21. Lance K. Drumheller Inactive

    Donald,

    I’m just a skosh closer to the flagship Starbucks in Seattle than Georgia. I’m an eastern Washington (i.e. the land the vote counters forgot) guy.

    If you ever run into Ravi Zacharias in Atlanta, you shake his hand for me.

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    • July 26, 2012, at 1:14 AM PDT
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  22. EThompson Inactive

    And yet, unlike several of the amoral liberals in this country (the Kennedys, Clintons, and Obamas), Tony Blair at least has a genuinely ethical conscience. His appearance on the Jon Stewart show several months ago was impressive; Stewart and his audience were pressuring him mightily to criticize George W and he refused. In fact he stated quite unequivocally, “I enjoyed working with President Bush, because he was a man of his word. He said what he meant and did what he said.”

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    • July 26, 2012, at 3:08 AM PDT
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  23. Liver Pate Inactive

    When Tony Blair announced his resignation after ten years as prime minister of the United Kingdom, his voice choked with emotion and he nearly shed a tear. He asked his audience to believe that he had always done what he thought was right. He would have been nearer the mark had he said that he always thought that what was right was whatever he had done. Throughout his years in office, he kept inviolable his belief in the existence of a purely beneficent essence of himself, a belief so strong that no quantity of untruthfulness, shady dealings, unscrupulousness, or constitutional impropriety could undermine or destroy it. Having come into the world marked by Original Virtue, Blair was also a natural-born preacher.

    Theodore Dalrymple Delusions of Honesty

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    • July 26, 2012, at 4:16 AM PDT
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  24. EThompson Inactive
    Pseudodionysius

    When Tony Blair announced his resignation after ten years as prime minister of the United Kingdom, his voice choked with emotion and he nearly shed a tear. He asked his audience to believe that he had always done what he thought was right. He would have been nearer the mark had he said that he always thought that what was right was whatever he had done. Throughout his years in office, he kept inviolable his belief in the existence of a purely beneficent essence of himself, a belief so strong that no quantity of untruthfulness, shady dealings, unscrupulousness, or constitutional impropriety could undermine or destroy it. Having come into the world marked by Original Virtue, Blair was also a natural-born preacher.

    Theodore Dalrymple Delusions of Honesty · 7 minutes ago

    Well, Dalrymple has never written a single word with which I’ve disagreed, but I did appreciate Blair’s “fist bump” for George W. :)

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    • July 26, 2012, at 4:29 AM PDT
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  25. Jim Ixtian Inactive
    KC Mulville: They deal with Islam in the same way they deal with conservatism; they rely solely on their own self-serving caricature of it.

    What brings the Left in alliance with Islam is not their ‘likes’ but their common ‘hates’ For both the Left And Islam, their object of ‘hate’ is the West-Western Civilization, Israel, Christianity, etc. Both may hate these things for different reasons, but they share the same hatred. For Islam, their hatred is born out of the Supremacism inherent in Islam that cannot tolerate non-Muslims, especially Jews in Israel ruling over Muslims. For the Left, their hatred stems from atheistic materialism vis-a-vis Hegelian dialectics. If the Jews are a living people with a covenant with God, then God exists and the Left’s atheism is false. If the Left’s atheism is true, then Jews are merely another people destined to disappear like countless other tribes before them as there is no covenant with God because their is no God. Jews, Christians, the US, and Israel represent an ideological challenge to the Left which is why the Left’s hatred of Israel is so visceral and blinds them to what Islam is.

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    • July 26, 2012, at 4:50 AM PDT
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