Fauxcahontas Revisited

 

Native Oklahomans are not to be found everywhere. So when I hear that someone of prominence is an Okie, I tend to check my memory, asking whether we have ever met. Sometime ago, when Elizabeth Warren appeared on the scene and I heard that she was from Oklahoma City, I had a passing thought. “We are about the same age,” I figured. “I wonder what high school she attended.”

Tonight, at a moment when I had finished something that I was working on, I took a moment to look up Warren on Wikipedia, and here is what I found:

She was born Elizabeth Herring[1]

on June 22, 1949,[2] in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, to working class parents  . . .At Northwest Classen High School, she was named “Oklahoma’s top high-school debater”. She received a debate-team scholarship to George Washington University at the age of 16.

Now, as it happens, I was born almost exactly six months before Fauxcahontas, and, yes, I attended Northwest Classen High School — from which I graduated in 1967, the year after Elizabeth Warren is said to have graduated (and did so if, indeed, she was awarded a scholarship to George Washington University when she was 16).

Even more to the point, I was a debater at Northwest Classen, and I went to every meet where we fielded a team when I was a sophomore, a junior, and a senior.

But I do not remember an Elizabeth Herring — although I found her in the 1966 year book, where she is listed as vice-president of the National Forensic League. But there is nothing in the yearbook about her being named “Oklahoma’s top high-school debater,” and it is very odd, indeed, that I remember nothing at all about that.

I do not remember everything and everyone, but I do remember the debaters. They were the people I hung out with — especially when I was a sophomore and a junior. Moreover, had one in our number been named “Oklahoma’s top high-school debater,” I would surely remember the person and the fact.

Someone should do a bit of investigative work. It is conceivable that Elizabeth Herring was a great star when I was a junior and that I have forgotten her. But I would not be surprised to learn that Ms. Warren has lied about things other than her supposed Cherokee heritage.

Was she named “Oklahoma’s top high-school debater?” And, if so, by whom?

UPDATE: One of the virtues of Ricochet is that it equips contributors with research assistants who correct errors and dig up information they missed. Stuart Crecque in a comment below cites an article published last year in a neighborhood newspaper in Oklahoma City, which reveals that Liz Herring was for three years the debate partner of Karl Johnson. He was, indeed, memorable as a debater, and I recall his going on to Williams College the following year.

If anyone in the class of 1966 was named “Oklahoma’s top high-school debater,” it was Karl. But there is nothing in the yearbook for that year about either of them being singled out in this fashion, and I have no memory of any body ever singling out any individual in this fashion. That Liz Herring and Karl Johnson as a team had considerable success in their high school years there is no question. The further claim about her may be fiction. Elizabeth Warren has a gift for making claims favorable to her career that are untrue.

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    @DavidWilliamson
    Nathan Harden, Guest Contributor: The Dems have a lot of gall putting a fabricator like her onstage. · 6 hours ago

    Another one coming tonite.

    Funny, very few fellow-students remember Mr Obama, also.

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    David Williamson

    Nathan Harden, Guest Contributor: The Dems have a lot of gall putting a fabricator like her onstage. · 6 hours ago

    Another one coming tonite.

    Funny, very few fellow-students remember Mr Obama, also. · in 0 minutes

    At Columbia, every friend you will ever make will have lived on your floor Freshman year. After that, your social circle is set. Coming in as a Junior, living off campus? I’d be surprised if anyone did manage to remember him.

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    @PaulARahe
    Stuart Creque: Here is a link to an article with one of her classmates’ recollections.  Recognize this guy, Paul?

    http://city-sentinel.com/?p=2080 · 7 hours ago

    Yes, Karl Johnson really was memorable as a debater, and he went on the next year to Williams College. His partner Liz Herring was not as memorable.

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    @PaulARahe
    Stuart Creque

    Umbra Fractus

    Alcina: Here’s an article about her high school debate career (with a picture).  

    http://city-sentinel.com/?p=2080 · 1 minute ago

    In fairness, from that article:

    Northwest Classen was the No. 1 debate team in the state and Elizabeth was on the number one team with Karl Johnson.

    So it’s possible theVanity Fairwriter simply misinterpreted “#1 Team” as “#1 Debater.”

    As much as it might be satisfying to think EW exaggerated, we must adhere to Hanlon’s Razor. · 2 hours ago

    Alcina’s link (the same as the first one I posted above) is from an article published in 2011, so the recollections in that article about 1967 are not so fresh.  The second link I posted has an excerpt from a 1964 Northwest Classen yearbook that talks about the school winning the State debate championship… but what does the 1966 yearbook say?  (Paul?) · 4 hours ago

    It says that we had a successful year but does not mention the state debate championship.

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    @PaulARahe
    Tom Kirkwold: Let’s see you prove it rather than speculate. · 8 hours ago

    It is often hard to prove a negative. I can only say that I was there at the time and this is the sort of thing that I would be very likely to remember. I do remember Liz Herring’s debate partner Karl Johnson. I remember him very well because as a speaker he was genuinely formidable. She was overshadowed.

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    @TomKirkwold

    So she was not memorable as a debater in high school but is padding her resume with an exaggeration of her debate skills.  In high school.  She’s 63.  And is a professor at Harvard.  I think her resume is sufficiently impressive to qualify her to run for office and speak on the stage at the DNC.  

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    @Pseudodionysius
    Tom Kirkwold: So she was not memorable as a debater in high school but is padding her resume with an exaggeration of her debate skills.  In high school.  She’s 63.  And is a professor at Harvard.  I think her resume is sufficiently impressive to qualify her to run for office and speak on the stage at the DNC.   · 14 minutes ago

    What’s more interesting is that the padding is with the co-operation of someone who Dr. Rahe believes outshone her. The political payback is quite intriguing.

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    Tom Kirkwold: So she was not memorable as a debater in high school but is padding her resume with an exaggeration of her debate skills.  In high school.  She’s 63.  And is a professor at Harvard.  I think her resume is sufficiently impressive to qualify her to run for office and speak on the stage at the DNC.   · 10 minutes ago

    Anyone who meets the age and citizenship requirements is qualified to run for office.  And you need NO resume to speak at the DNC, as professional whiner Sandra Fluke proved last night.  After watching the news media accuse Paul Ryan of lying about an auto plant closing in his district (he was proven correct), it’s entirely appropriate for Professor Rahe to ask questions of this candidate’s ability to be truthful.  

    This is a person who has demonstrated herself to be allergic to telling the truth about her background.  In this case, Dr. Rahe has first hand knowledge of the school, and the debate society.  After watching the Prevaricator-in-Chief ramble on last night, and recognizing the damage his lying did to the honor of the office he held, it’s not a minor quibble.

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    @dittoheadadt

    Is she just a red herring?

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    @PaulARahe
    Tom Kirkwold: So she was not memorable as a debater in high school but is padding her resume with an exaggeration of her debate skills.  In high school.  She’s 63.  And is a professor at Harvard.  I think her resume is sufficiently impressive to qualify her to run for office and speak on the stage at the DNC.   · 1 hour ago

    You have perhaps missed the fact that, by way of a false claim that she was of Cherokee ancestry, she used affirmative action to game the system.

    Character matters, does it not?

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    @TheMugwump

    Pinning another fabrication on Elizabeth Warren won’t mean a thing.  Consider Obama’s completely contrived autobiography.  It’s a lie starting with the fact that he didn’t even write it himself.  And where is the media?  Sound of crickets.  The only conclusion we can draw is that the media doesn’t care for the truth.  That’s fine with the sort of pathological liars who aspire to political office.  Pointing out the lies won’t make them recant.  It only makes them angry.  The only chance we have is if a discriminating electorate will pull the lever in favor of character.  And we all know that judgement and discrimination are cardinal sins in the minds of liberals.  I can only shudder.  

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    @SeverelyLtd
    Tom Kirkwold: Let’s see you prove it rather than speculate. · 10 hours ago

    Didn’t the Theory of Gravity start with speculation. A little nagging corner of the truth can lead to astonishing discoveries.

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    Just a thought. How about looking for Karl Johnson? Perhaps he could shine a little light on the Elizabeth Herring  HS debate skills and awards received. I did a quick google search using  Karl Johnson Williams College debate but the closest I came is this current Ricochet thread started by Prof Rahe. If his middle initial and some additional details about him are known he might still be available to comment. 

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    @LHNeal

    Hate to throw cold water on juicy post, but…http://city-sentinel.com/?p=2080

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    @DocJay

    Oh my this is fascinating. I’m pretty sure I remember who were in my school clubs and sports I played back then. Someone needs to relay this information to the RNC and Mr Brown.

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    @Mickerbob

    Oh good heavens! Is everything about her a dream? Grifting can be lucrative, but really?!?!

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    @Astonishing

    Small world! What I’m wondering is, what’s her best marathon time? But apart from all that, I’m pretty sure she’s an unreconstituted fool. I wish the people in Mass had somebody better to vote for against her. If she wins, at least she’ll provide entertainment.

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    @CaseyWay

    Wikipedia is different than a campaign website. That being said, the source was a 2011 profile of Warren in Vanity Fair. Asking either the author or the campaign about the veracity of the statement could establish a pattern of fabrication on the part of Ms. Warren or could be painted as a teacup tempest ploy in the greater “War on Women.” I’d leave the choice up to Mr. Brown.

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    @Christi

    Heavens to Betsy, Elizabeth! I’m salivating… Indeed, someone should ask her for specifics. :)

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    @KeithRice

    Actually “she” was born Larry Hefton in February 1948 and was on the wrestling team in high school. After the sex reassignment “she” decided to honor her best friend by taking the name Elizabeth Herring who was, by all accounts, abducted by aliens and never seen again.

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    @donaldtodd

    The Dems hold a convention.  The Dems lie.  Pocaharvard speaks.  Pocaharvard lies.  What expectations did you bring to the convention?  If you expected the Dems to lie, your expectations are being met.

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    @flownover

    ” It’s Wikipediatown Jake.”

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    @PaulARahe
    Liberty Belle: Just a thought. How about looking for Karl Johnson? Perhaps he could shine a little light on the Elizabeth Herring  HS debate skills and awards received. I did a quick google search using  Karl Johnson Williams College debate but the closest I came is this current Ricochet thread started by Prof Rahe. If his middle initial and some additional details about him are known he might still be available to comment.  · 38 minutes ago

    I have put someone better informed than I am about Elizabeth Warren more generally on the case. Interestingly, Karl Johnson practices American Indian law.

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    @PaulARahe
    LH Neal: Hate to throw cold water on juicy post, but…http://city-sentinel.com/?p=2080 · 30 minutes ago

    This was pointed out early on by Stuart Crecque (see above), and I added an update to the post citing it. It shows that Liz Herring was Karl Johnson’s debate partner and that the two did well. It does not show that she was named Oklahoma’s top debater. I suspect that she may have gilded the lily.

    Note that she is supposed to be “a legendary debater.” I remember her partner very well. He was good. I do not remember her at all.

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    @Valiuth

    Well she is only 1/32 best debater, but that is enough best debater status to gain acceptence into the tribe.

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    @TomKirkwold

    Let’s see you prove it rather than speculate.

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    @mezzrow

    Oh, goodness.  Small world.  One would think that “Oklahoma’s top high school debater” would have made a lasting impression on someone with the forensic skills of our esteemed Professor.  I bet somebody does some extra research on this.

    It has not been a good day for the Tammany side of things.

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    @Pseudodionysius

    Bill Clinton says none of what anyone says tonight is true. Stephen Hawking proved that.

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    @Essgee
    dittoheadadt: Is she just a red herring? · 2 hours ago

    Could be…there is something fishy about her…she only swims on the left side of the stream.

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    @DocJay
    Tom Kirkwold: So she was not memorable as a debater in high school but is padding her resume with an exaggeration of her debate skills.  In high school.  She’s 63.  And is a professor at Harvard.  I think her resume is sufficiently impressive to qualify her to run for office and speak on the stage at the DNC.   · 3 hours ago

    I got over being impressed by Ivy League degrees when I realized their doctors were nothing special.  This comes from years of being around them.  Sacrificing oneself at the alter of affirmative action accepted academics is part of the idolatry that got us in to the current mess.

    Just so we’re clear, I am alluding to my opinion that neither Michelle nor Barrack would have been accepted had they not used affirmative action.  I’ll put Liz Warren in that category too. 

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