An American Pope

 

Pope Leo XIV’s first appearance in St. Peter Square. Wikimedia Commons

After first convening in the Sistine Chapel at 10 am CET on May 7th, the 133 cardinals eligible to vote in the papal conclave have achieved the two-thirds majority necessary to elect the 267th pope: Robert Francis Prevost, 69, of Chicago, henceforth known as Pope Leo XIV.

“Peace be with you all. I want to offer a blessing of peace that will reach your families, all of you, wherever you are,” Pope Leo began his speech from the Basilica’s central balcony. He spoke of the need for unity and to build bridges.

In the brief address, he spoke Italian before switching to Spanish to address the diocese he’d served for years in Peru. He called for a missionary church, a synodal church; one that builds bridges and shows charity always, especially to those who are suffering.

After recognizing the blessings still bestowed by his predecessor, Pope Leo called for the church to go forward “without fear,” with God and among ourselves, into a world that needs Christ’s light.

“With you I am a Christian, and for you I am a Bishop. So may we all walk together to the place God has prepared for us.”

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  1. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Lots of Leos to choose from as his model. 

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  2. Old Bathos Member
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    Probably a schism in the making:  is he a Cubs or White Sox fan?

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  3. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Did he vote for Obama in 2012? 

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  4. Ekosj Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Did he vote for Obama in 2012?

    He’s from Chicago … probably several times.

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  5. Arahant Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Lots of Leos to choose from as his model.

    First I thought of was Leo X. There was also Leo XI of the 27 days.

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  6. Jason Rudert Coolidge
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    Chicago? First dangerous pope in along time? 

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  7. Red Herring Coolidge
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    He has spent his last many years in Peru so North and South America covered.

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  8. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    He puts one of your guys in schism, you excommunicate one os his guys.

    Jason Rudert (View Comment):

    Chicago? First dangerous pope in along time?

     

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  9. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    So, since his politics are getting some scrutiny, I have seen reports that he is a registered Republican. Can anyone confirm that?

    In other news: Students for Life- America- is pleased with him as the new Pope. So is Bishop Stefan Oster of Passau.

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  10. Scott Wilmot Member
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    First thoughts:

    1. Pray for Pope Leo XIV
    2. Happy to see the traditional vestments and a traditional name.
    3. Pray for Pope Leo XIV

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  11. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Some good background information:

    https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/cardinals/robert-francis-prevost/

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  12. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Some good background information:

    https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/cardinals/robert-francis-prevost/

    I saw that National Right to Life has also come out praising his election, while Catholics for Choice attacked him. That makes my day. Wrote the Pentacostal married to a Catholic.

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  13. Brian Watt Member
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    May end up being worse than Francis. From Lifesite News:

    In one instance from February 3, Prevost reposted an article by NCROnline titled “JD Vance is wrong: Jesus doesn’t ask us to rank our love for others.” The article criticizes the U.S. vice president for correctly arguing that we owe more immediate responsibility to our own family members and country than to those overseas – a position taught by St. Thomas Aquinas and reiterated in the “social encyclicals” of the nineteenth- and twentieth-century popes. 

    As head of the Congregation for Bishops, Prevost was instrumental in the removal of Bishop Strickland from Tyler, Texas, and the leading French conversative bishop, Dominique Rey, from his diocese of Fréjus-Toulon. 

    Meanwhile, he has placed openly heterodox bishops in sees worldwide. The most notorious is Cardinal McElroy, who was installed as Archbishop of Washington despite being implicated in the cover up of sexual abuse by Cardinal McCarrick 

    During COVID, Prevost imposed receiving communion on the hand, and confession by telephone, which is both invalid and sacrilegious. 

     

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  14. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    So, since his politics are getting some scrutiny, I have seen reports that he is a registered Republican. Can anyone confirm that?

    In other news: Students for Life- America- is pleased with him as the new Pope. So is Bishop Stefan Oster of Passau.

    Very little seems to be known about him. He was not even a Cardinal for very long. (Eighteen months? Twenty four?)

    I have heard that he is devoted to Saint Augustine. (The saint, not our excellent fellow member.)

    But I also have heard he is supportive of the pro-immigrant, open border situation. Whether this is true or not, I do not know.

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  15. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    I heard on Clay and Buck that Illinois doesn’t register by party but he has voted in Republican primaries but it’s beginning to look like he’s a Romney -ish one., if at all , anti Trump/Vance.

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  16. kylez Member
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    Someone just said on the news “he’s been described as the least American of the Americans.” 

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  17. Django Member
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    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    He puts one of your guys in schism, you excommunicate one os his guys.

    Jason Rudert (View Comment):

    Chicago? First dangerous pope in along time?

     

    That’s the Chicago Way!

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  18. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    I heard on Clay and Buck that Illinois doesn’t register by party but he has voted in Republican primaries but it’s beginning to look like he’s a Romney -ish one., if at all , anti Trump/Vance.

    As a Catholic I could not care less where he stands on the American political divide. I pray that he is holy, orthodox, wise, and courageous. To try to frame his pontificate on where he resides on the Republican political scale is ridiculous.

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  19. Scott Wilmot Member
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    kylez (View Comment):

    Someone just said on the news “he’s been described as the least American of the Americans.”

    Well, when you look at the other American cardinals: Cupich, Tobin, McElroy, Wuerl, Gregory, I’ll take my chances with Prevost.

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  20. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    I heard on Clay and Buck that Illinois doesn’t register by party but he has voted in Republican primaries but it’s beginning to look like he’s a Romney -ish one., if at all , anti Trump/Vance.

    As a Catholic I could not care less where he stands on the American political divide. I pray that he is holy, orthodox, wise, and courageous. To try to frame his pontificate on where he resides on the Republican political scale is ridiculous.

    I don’t care where he is on tariffs or taxes etc, but he is against us having the right to defend our borders  from invasion.

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  21. Django Member
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    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    I heard on Clay and Buck that Illinois doesn’t register by party but he has voted in Republican primaries but it’s beginning to look like he’s a Romney -ish one., if at all , anti Trump/Vance.

    As a Catholic I could not care less where he stands on the American political divide. I pray that he is holy, orthodox, wise, and courageous. To try to frame his pontificate on where he resides on the Republican political scale is ridiculous.

    I don’t care where he is on tariffs or taxes etc, but he is against us having the right to defend our borders from invasion.

    I heard someone on the radio say that the new pope believes it is the responsibility of the U. S. to be the refuge for every poor person on Earth who can get here. I’ve never understood the fools who don’t realize that if you bring enough of there here, you turn here into there. And then where is the refuge for anyone? It’s almost as though they believe that if not everyone is rich we should all be poor instead of having pockets of wealth. Maybe they assume the Vatican will remain untouched. Anyway, there is no reason at all to listen to him on immigration issues . . . or taxes, or the Constitution, or . . . 

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  22. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    I heard on Clay and Buck that Illinois doesn’t register by party but he has voted in Republican primaries but it’s beginning to look like he’s a Romney -ish one., if at all , anti Trump/Vance.

    As a Catholic I could not care less where he stands on the American political divide. I pray that he is holy, orthodox, wise, and courageous. To try to frame his pontificate on where he resides on the Republican political scale is ridiculous.

    I don’t care where he is on tariffs or taxes etc, but he is against us having the right to defend our borders from invasion.

    I have yet to hear his papal declaration that we do not have the right to defend our borders from invasion. The pope is Catholic so I presume he believes what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:

    CCC 22411 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

    Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

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  23. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Rightfromthestart (View Comment):

    I heard on Clay and Buck that Illinois doesn’t register by party but he has voted in Republican primaries but it’s beginning to look like he’s a Romney -ish one., if at all , anti Trump/Vance.

    As a Catholic I could not care less where he stands on the American political divide. I pray that he is holy, orthodox, wise, and courageous. To try to frame his pontificate on where he resides on the Republican political scale is ridiculous.

    I don’t care where he is on tariffs or taxes etc, but he is against us having the right to defend our borders from invasion.

    I heard someone on the radio say that the new pope believes it is the responsibility of the U. S. to be the refuge for every poor person on Earth who can get here. I’ve never understood the fools who don’t realize that if you bring enough of there here, you turn here into there. And then where is the refuge for anyone? It’s almost as though they believe that if not everyone is rich we should all be poor instead of having pockets of wealth. Maybe they assume the Vatican will remain untouched. Anyway, there is no reason at all to listen to him on immigration issues . . . or taxes, or the Constitution, or . . .

    There is reason to listen to the pope on a whole host of issues – but of the ones you list in your last sentence, these are all prudential judgment issues and we as Catholics have no obligation to agree with him on issues such as this.

    Oh – and you hear a lot of crazy stuff on the radio and internet.

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  24. Ekosj Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    May end up being worse than Francis. From Lifesite News:

    In one instance from February 3, Prevost reposted an article by NCROnline titled “JD Vance is wrong: Jesus doesn’t ask us to rank our love for others.” The article criticizes the U.S. vice president for correctly arguing that we owe more immediate responsibility to our own family members and country than to those overseas – a position taught by St. Thomas Aquinas and reiterated in the “social encyclicals” of the nineteenth- and twentieth-century popes.

    As head of the Congregation for Bishops, Prevost was instrumental in the removal of Bishop Strickland from Tyler, Texas, and the leading French conversative bishop, Dominique Rey, from his diocese of Fréjus-Toulon.

    Meanwhile, he has placed openly heterodox bishops in sees worldwide. The most notorious is Cardinal McElroy, who was installed as Archbishop of Washington despite being implicated in the cover up of sexual abuse by Cardinal McCarrick

    During COVID, Prevost imposed receiving communion on the hand, and confession by telephone, which is both invalid and sacrilegious.

     

    Re: McElroy   Birds of a feather perhaps?    There are some reports of his failing to even investigate accusations of predatory behavior on the part of a priest in his diocese in Peru.   I have no details other than that.    Could be all BS.    But who knows?    My high school principal/priest who married the lovely Mrs E and I was eventually revealed as guilty of being  … ummm, what’s the current euphamism … ‘minor attracted’.    

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  25. Ekosj Member
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    kylez (View Comment):

    Someone just said on the news “he’s been described as the least American of the Americans.”

    In his initial appearance he spoke Latin, Italian and Spanish.   I was expecting something in English … maybe a “God Bless America” or some such.  Nope.

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  26. Doug Watt Member
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    I find it interesting that we have already determined what to expect from the new Pope Leo XIV. I heard “someone say on the radio”. Who is someone?

    No one has been marched off to Mass at gunpoint, a political act. Catholics have more to fear from the State to include the US government than non-Catholics have to fear from the Catholic Church.

    From Catholic Vote:

    Since civil unrest began on May 28, 2020, there have been at least 500 attacks against Catholic churches in the United States, including acts of arson which damaged or destroyed historic churches; spray-painting and graffiti of satanic messages; rocks and bricks thrown through windows; statues destroyed (often with heads cut off); and illegal disruptions of Mass. Attacks spiked dramatically after the draft Supreme Court opinion overturning Roe v. Wade was leaked in May 2022.

    At least 335 attacks have been perpetrated against Catholic churches since the Supreme Court leak, with many including graffiti with pro-abortion messages. Crucially, while a handful of the attacks have included thefts, the vast majority have only involved property destruction, indicating that the primary motive is not material gain.

    What was the answer from the FBI? It was 3 FBI offices conducting an investigation to determine if Catholics who attend a Latin Mass might be domestic terrorists.

    “A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an intrinsically evil act, such as abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, deliberately subjecting workers or the poor to subhuman living conditions, redefining marriage in ways that violate its essential meaning, or racist behavior, if the voter’s intent is to support that position.”

    That is all that matters for faithful Catholics when it comes to political acts.

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  27. Django Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    I heard “someone say on the radio”. Who is someone?

    It was during the Clay & Buck broadcast, but the broadcast had faded into background noise when they were discussing the new pope. I have no idea if it was one of them or someone else. It is not important to me because as Scott said above, we are under no obligation to listen to him on immigration and a host of other issues. 

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  28. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    Well, when you look at the other American cardinals

    He’s wasn’t really an American cardinal.  As a Catholic bishop, he’s really a Peruvian.  He wouldn’t have been a part of the U.S. Conference of Bishops.

    His time in the states after his ordination as priest was relatively brief.  He was elected Provincial Prior of Chicago of the Augustine order, but two years later he was elected as the international head of the Augustine order for two 6 year terms.  Their headquarters is in Rome.

    His time in Chicago was, what looks like administrative and governing positions, within that Augustine order’s province.  Most of his pastoral work seems to have been in Peru.

    As a cleric, he’s never done nuts and bolts work in an American diocese.  It’s Peru all the way down.

    Calling him an American Pope seems to be a stretch.  When I first heard an American was elected Pope, I was surprised.  Now it makes more sense.

    One other thing, He’s the second pope in a row to come from a religious order, versus ordination as a diocesan priest.  I did a quick check, and popes from Pius XII to Benedict XVI were ordained as diocesan priests.

    An interesting trend.

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  29. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    Well, when you look at the other American cardinals

    He’s wasn’t really an American cardinal. As a Catholic bishop, he’s really a Peruvian. He wouldn’t have been a part of the U.S. Conference of Bishops.

    His time in the states after his ordination as priest was relatively brief. He was elected Provincial Prior of Chicago of the Augustine order, but two years later he was elected as the international head of the Augustine order for two 6 year terms. Their headquarters is in Rome.

    His time in Chicago was, what looks like administrative and governing positions, within that Augustine order’s province. Most of his pastoral work seems to have been in Peru.

    As a cleric, he’s never done nuts and bolts work in an American diocese. It’s Peru all the way down.

    Calling him an American Pope seems to be a stretch. When I first heard an American was elected Pope, I was surprised. Now it makes more sense.

    One other thing, He’s the second pope in a row to come from a religious order, versus ordination as a diocesan priest. I did a quick check, and popes from Pius XII to Benedict XVI were ordained as diocesan priests.

    An interesting trend.

    Weren’t Erasmus and Luther Augustinians? 

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  30. Stad Coolidge
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    As you would expect, the Babylon Bee wasted no time:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/eagle-firing-ar-15-emerges-from-vatican-indicating-an-american-pope-has-ben-selected

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