Romania’s Democracy

 

In November 2024 Romania, an EU member and NATO member, held a presidential election. The Romanian system employs a two-round system, a first round with a large field of candidates and a second round with the top vote-getters from the first round. If a candidate is able in the first round to draw a majority of the votes, they skip holding the second round. The 2024 preliminary election was won by “far-right” Calin Georgescu with 23% of the vote, four percentage points ahead of the next candidate. Polling at the time indicated that Georgescu was favored to win the final round. A Romanian court annulled the election on the grounds that Russia had used TikTok to unduly influence the election. The allegation was made that the annulment was in response to a demand from the EU president. Investigations showed that no Russian interference had affected the election as described, but Georgescu was arrested on trumped-up charges and disqualified from running for elective office.

The preliminary round rerun just completed, Georgescu’s voters helped George Simon receive 41% of the vote, 21% more than the second-place candidate. Simon is the prohibitive favorite in the runoff election. Hopefully this will take place without further lawfare interference from his Globalist opposition. It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

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  2. Sisyphus Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    I’m working on that. Let me get back to you.

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    I’m working on that. Let me get back to you.

    Good luck.

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  4. Mark Camp Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    Try here:

    (If you don’t find any civilization at this place, you just aren’t civilized.)

    Clermont Chorale Spring Concert

    Rain, Rain, Beautiful Rain”  [Sorry, the Directors planned the program many months ago and had no weather forecasts at hand]

    Friday May 16 7:00 PM and Saturday May 17 7:00 PM

    Milford First United Methodist Church

    541 Main St., Milford OH

    Tickets at the door, 20.00

    In addition to the eponymous song by Ladysmith Black Mambazo, we will also be singing the Beatles’ song, Here Comes the Sun, composed by George Harrison. If you are too civilized to recognize Harrison, note that he was the composer of The Lumberjack Song, sung by the Monty Python troupe.

    And a bunch of even more civilized choral works.  Stuff that Arahant and that highbrow lot would love to hear, beautiful music with poetry that he and Ben Sears will understand right away. And some poetry that even I can understand, like

    I remember a darkened doorway

    where we stood while storm swept by

    thunder gripping the earth

    and lightening scrawled on the sky.

    The passing motorbuses swayed,

    for the street was

    a river of rain…

    Music by Elaine Hagenberg, Eriks Esenvalds. More Gospel and Spiritual songs, and popular old songs.

    Civilization Galore!

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  5. Arahant Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):
    Civilization Galore!

    Oy!

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  6. GPentelie Coolidge
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    The next and final election round is on Sunday, May 18.

    Sisyphus: The preliminary round rerun just completed, Georgescu’s voters helped George Simon receive 41% of the vote, 21% more than the second place candidate. Simon is the prohibitive favorite in the runoff election. Hopefully without further lawfare interference from his Globalist opposition. It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    It appears that Simion’s overwhelming first-round win has caused the Powers That Be to resign themselves to impending defeat. The current Prime Minister has stepped down, rather than face the prospect of being summarily replaced with Georgescu (the banned winner of last November’s summarily annulled election), whom Simion has already promised to install in that role, should he win the second (and, hopefully, final) round on May 18.

    PS:

    The ole “There’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip” caveat continues to apply, of course.

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  7. Sisyphus Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    The next and final election round is on Sunday, May 18.

    Sisyphus: The preliminary round rerun just completed, Georgescu’s voters helped George Simon receive 41% of the vote, 21% more than the second place candidate. Simon is the prohibitive favorite in the runoff election. Hopefully without further lawfare interference from his Globalist opposition. It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    It appears that Simion’s overwhelming first-round win has caused the Powers That Be to resign themselves to impending defeat. The current Prime Minister has stepped down, rather than face the prospect of being summarily replaced with Georgescu (the banned winner of last November’s summarily annulled election), whom Simion has already promised to install in that role, should he win the second (and, hopefully, final) round on May 18.

    PS:

    The ole “There’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip” caveat continues to apply, of course.

    Thank you, I had not heard about the resignation yet. That is an interesting twist that suggests the result will be allowed to stand. Following other coverage today, the analysis is that Simion is more acceptable (tolerable?) to the Globalists is that he is dedicated to closer relations to Moldova with Putin campaigning for Moldova alignment with Russia. So Simion has a clearly established enmity publicly to Putin over this issue, a comfort to anti-Putin Globalists. 

    Not that the dust has settled yet. I’m definitely keeping my eyes open.

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  8. Barfly Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    A handful of red U.S. states, and eastern Europe outside the capitol districts.

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  9. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    A handful of red U.S. states, and eastern Europe outside the capitol districts.

    A general sentiment also expressed a few days ago by VP Vance and SecState Rubio, in reaction to the German government’s democracy-endangering actions toward the country’s most popular (according to the most recent polling) party:

     

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  10. Sisyphus Member
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    It is worth mentioning that, in Germany, Chancellor-elect Merz failed to win what has heretofore always been a proforma vote in the Bundestag. Very unexpected and shocking. He can try again, but it raises the question of calling new elections. Perhaps Germany is not entirely pleased with the way he jettisoned his promises to change from a fiscal conservative stand to a course of debt and militarism. It will be a forgotten stumble or a significant rejection.

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  11. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    It is worth mentioning that, in Germany, Chancellor-elect Merz failed to win what has heretofore always been a proforma vote in the Bundestag. Very unexpected and shocking. He can try again, …

    That situation was resolved in short order, via a second vote:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgp22zlrgko

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  12. Sisyphus Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    It is worth mentioning that, in Germany, Chancellor-elect Merz failed to win what has heretofore always been a proforma vote in the Bundestag. Very unexpected and shocking. He can try again, …

    That situation was resolved in short order, via a second vote:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgp22zlrgko

    It sounds like some MPs took the vote for granted and were elsewhere. I imagine they have been spoken to.

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  13. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    It is worth mentioning that, in Germany, Chancellor-elect Merz failed to win what has heretofore always been a proforma vote in the Bundestag. Very unexpected and shocking. He can try again, …

    That situation was resolved in short order, via a second vote:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgp22zlrgko

    It sounds like some MPs took the vote for granted and were elsewhere. I imagine they have been spoken to.

    Brings to mind the famous “Johnson Treatment“, magnificently captured in this series of photos:

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  14. genferei Member
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    Isn’t this just the left’s version of “democracy only works if you have a moral people”? 

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  15. Old Bathos Member
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    The “elite” left in Europe and the USA share a delusional disorder.  They show they have transcended their national heritage and culture by enforcing waves of hostile ungrateful immigrants.  They impose the sheer lunacy of “alternative” energy to show they are morally superior.  They believe increasing regulation and public debt have no downside because they are intellectually lazy.

    Opposing their views on climate must be the result of conspiracies funded by Big Oil.  Opposing their views on on open borders must be racism.  And any movement to respect national sovereignty and culture is a Nazi threat.  These responses are close to clinical examples of delusional responses to reality-based interference with the beliefs generated by the disorder.

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  16. Sisyphus Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The “elite” left in Europe and the USA share a delusional disorder. They show they have transcended their national heritage and culture by enforcing waves of hostile ungrateful immigrants. They impose the sheer lunacy of “alternative” energy to show they are morally superior. They believe increasing regulation and public debt have no downside because they are intellectually lazy.

    Opposing their views on climate must be the result of conspiracies funded by Big Oil. Opposing their views on on open borders must be racism. And any movement to respect national sovereignty and culture is a Nazi threat. These responses are close to clinical examples of delusional responses to reality-based interference with the beliefs generated by the disorder.

    Soon we will be hearing that 24×7 electrical service is white supremacist with a side of Gaia hatred and, of course, unsustainable. These are the sorts of positions that Russian and Chinese money support in the West, so they must be virtuous.

    In ten years, home refrigerators and indoor plumbing will be the mark of the Devil. In twenty, owning a tent will be the flaunting of unfair wealth. And then our Mohammedan masters will restore the oil wells, sell our children as slaves, and mutilate the genitals of our females. But not as badly as the psychotic gender benders plotting to mutilate our children today.

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  17. Old Bathos Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    The “elite” left in Europe and the USA share a delusional disorder. They show they have transcended their national heritage and culture by enforcing waves of hostile ungrateful immigrants. They impose the sheer lunacy of “alternative” energy to show they are morally superior. They believe increasing regulation and public debt have no downside because they are intellectually lazy.

    Opposing their views on climate must be the result of conspiracies funded by Big Oil. Opposing their views on on open borders must be racism. And any movement to respect national sovereignty and culture is a Nazi threat. These responses are close to clinical examples of delusional responses to reality-based interference with the beliefs generated by the disorder.

    Soon we will be hearing that 24×7 electrical service is white supremacist with a side of Gaia hatred and, of course, unsustainable. These are the sorts of positions that Russian and Chinese money support in the West, so they must be virtuous.

    In ten years, home refrigerators and indoor plumbing will be the mark of the Devil. In twenty, owning a tent will be the flaunting of unfair wealth. And then our Mohammedan masters will restore the oil wells, sell our children as slaves, and mutilate the genitals of our females. But not as badly as the psychotic gender benders plotting to mutilate our children today.

    …and I thought I was thinking dark thoughts…

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  18. Arahant Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    …and I thought I was thinking dark thoughts…

    He’s a professional. Don’t try this at home.

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  19. Barfly Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    …and I thought I was thinking dark thoughts…

    He’s a professional. Don’t try this at home.

    1.2 firearms per person. Be of good cheer.

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  20. Red Herring Coolidge
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    A handful of red U.S. states, and eastern Europe outside the capitol districts.

    A general sentiment also expressed a few days ago by VP Vance and SecState Rubio, in reaction to the German government’s democracy-endangering actions toward the country’s most popular (according to the most recent polling) party:

     

    Kind of hard for the US to criticize Germany after what we had here the last decade.

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  21. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    …and I thought I was thinking dark thoughts…

    He’s a professional. Don’t try this at home.

    1.2 firearms per person. Be of good cheer.

    And some of us are above average.

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  22. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    A handful of red U.S. states, and eastern Europe outside the capitol districts.

    A general sentiment also expressed a few days ago by VP Vance and SecState Rubio, in reaction to the German government’s democracy-endangering actions toward the country’s most popular (according to the most recent polling) party:

     

    Kind of hard for the US to criticize Germany after what we had here the last decade.

    For the US, yes. For the Trump admin, no. Hopefully, the shift will be long-lasting enough for the US, once again, to regain the ability to point fingers at others without being vulnerable to justifiably reciprocal finger-pointing.

     

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  23. Sisyphus Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Barfly (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus: It is a tyrannical pattern of behavior unbefitting a civilized society.

    Where does one go for civilization these days?

    A handful of red U.S. states, and eastern Europe outside the capitol districts.

    A general sentiment also expressed a few days ago by VP Vance and SecState Rubio, in reaction to the German government’s democracy-endangering actions toward the country’s most popular (according to the most recent polling) party:

     

    Kind of hard for the US to criticize Germany after what we had here the last decade.

    For the US, yes. For the Trump admin, no. Hopefully, the shift will be long-lasting enough for the US, once again, to regain the ability to point fingers at others without being vulnerable to justifiably reciprocal finger-pointing.

     

    The German security apparatus has put aside the question of AfD’s suitability to be the most popular party in Germany. If there is a case to be made, make it to the German people. Lord give them strength. Amen.

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  24. Sisyphus Member
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    Candidate Simion says that there are three million dead people on the voter roles in Romania, a country of 19 million people. Clearly, Chicago election consultants are in place. Still not California(?)

     

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    What the “elites” in power in Europe need to come to grips with is that a significant percentage of their population perceives a problem and the elites need to respond to that problem. Gaslighting the perceptive is not a remedy. Censoring crime data is not a remedy. Calling people racists not a remedy.

    Get busy or get out.

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