Ron Johnson on 9/11

 

The original purpose of 9-11 trutherism — the belief that America attacked itself on that awful day — was a leftist one. The purpose was to take the blame off of Muslims and put it on bigoted Islamophobic Republicans. This served the political purposes of liberals at the time. In the same way that the original purpose of JFK assassination conspiracy theories was to shift the blame from a communist to the CIA, which was on the warpath against communism at the time.

It’s easy to forget the original context of these stupid ideas. Sen. Ron Johnson seems to have forgotten completely. Or maybe he just doesn’t care. Apparently things have changed, and now these theories somehow serve the purposes of what passes for conservatism.

Remember World Trade Center building 7? Supposedly the deep state planted bombs in the building to destroy it, covering it up by the overall destruction of the attack. Does it matter that no one could have known in advance that the planes hitting the WTC would have caused building 7 to be damaged and catch on fire, thus providing the cover for the bombs? That obvious question alone proves the falsehood of the claim. A child could understand it, but not Ron Johnson.

Tucker Carlson was always talking about how liberals lack the self-awareness to understand their own corrupt motives. It’s amazing how many on the right these days seem to lack the self-awareness to understand when and why they have come to adopt liberal beliefs.

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  1. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
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    Agreed. What wacky cause are conservatives supposed to endorse next? Colin Kaepernick was framed? People on our side sometimes say, “just raising questions”, and some people honestly mean it, but  other times it’s just a stone cold evasion for “I want to convey a kooky idea without taking responsibility”.  

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  2. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    So disappointing when our side believes conspiracy theories.  A bunch of conspiracy theories about George Bush that were routinely laughed off by republicans are now being resurrected as republicans now begin to agree with all the leftist nuts.

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  3. Subcomandante America Member
    Subcomandante America
    @TheReticulator

    Good grief!  What does it take to convince you guys?  The fact that all the passengers on those two planes showed up alive and well wasn’t enough to convince you that the official story was off?   

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  4. Jimmy Carter Member
    Jimmy Carter
    @JimmyCarter

    The masterminds were the Jeeeeeeeeeeews.

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  5. E. Kent Golding Moderator
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    9/11 was staged,  just like the moon landings.   Vaccines cause Autism.    Tariffs will make a nation rich beyond belief.  Ukraine started the war.   Putin wants peace,  and is a great defender of Christianity .    Most Fentanyl comes from Canada.  Penguins are ripping us off.   Israel is the problem in the middle east.

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  6. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    9/11 was staged, just like the moon landings. Vaccines cause Autism. Tariffs will make a nation rich beyond belief. Ukraine started the war. Putin wants peace, and is a great defender of Christianity . Most Fentanyl comes from Canada. Penguins are ripping us off. Israel is the problem in the middle east.

    I think we just found the logical successor to Trump.  Make Kent Great in 2028!

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  7. Subcomandante America Member
    Subcomandante America
    @TheReticulator

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    9/11 was staged, just like the moon landings. Vaccines cause Autism. Tariffs will make a nation rich beyond belief. Ukraine started the war. Putin wants peace, and is a great defender of Christianity . Most Fentanyl comes from Canada. Penguins are ripping us off. Israel is the problem in the middle east.

    I think we just found the logical successor to Trump. Make Kent Great in 2028!

    Yes, but no one person can believe all that stuff without lots of help.  It’s too much.  He’ll need his own Tucker Carlson, J.D. Vance, RFK Jr., Howard Lutnick, Pete Navarro, etc. But surely Trump doesn’t have a monopoly on the nation’s crackpots, and there are some leftovers who can help Kent.  Aren’t there?  

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  8. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Subcomandante America (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    9/11 was staged, just like the moon landings. Vaccines cause Autism. Tariffs will make a nation rich beyond belief. Ukraine started the war. Putin wants peace, and is a great defender of Christianity . Most Fentanyl comes from Canada. Penguins are ripping us off. Israel is the problem in the middle east.

    I think we just found the logical successor to Trump. Make Kent Great in 2028!

    Yes, but no one person can believe all that stuff without lots of help. It’s too much. He’ll need his own Tucker Carlson, J.D. Vance, RFK Jr., Howard Lutnick, Pete Navarro, etc. But surely Trump doesn’t have a monopoly on the nation’s crackpots, and there are some leftovers who can help Kent. Aren’t there?

    I think Alex Jones is available.

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  9. Michael Minnott Member
    Michael Minnott
    @MichaelMinnott

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars.  At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction.  However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises.  This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

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  10. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would  agree with you in general except on the free trade issue.  The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success.  How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    Maybe if it’s just not sustainable?

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  12. Subcomandante America Member
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    @TheReticulator

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    Maybe if it’s just not sustainable?

    Hah. If Trump and Trumpists were the least bit concerned about sustainability,  they’d be working on entitlement reform. But Trump has ruled that out. 

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  13. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    It’s like the Republicans are actively trying to drive people away.

     

    I vote for RJ, multiple times.  But this [redacted] is nuts.  

     

     

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  14. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Subcomandante America (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    Maybe if it’s just not sustainable?

    Hah. If Trump and Trumpists were the least bit concerned about sustainability, they’d be working on entitlement reform. But Trump has ruled that out.

    I remember a Democratic friends telling me, “Sure, capitalism has been beneficial for the last century or two, but those days are past.”  Kind of like vaccines, I suppose.  Sure, they saved us from polio and stuff, but that was in the old days.  We don’t need them anymore.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Subcomandante America (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    Maybe if it’s just not sustainable?

    Hah. If Trump and Trumpists were the least bit concerned about sustainability, they’d be working on entitlement reform. But Trump has ruled that out.

    Entitlements etc could be sustainable with some minor tweaking and a growing economy.  But hollowing out our own economy by “trading” with the CCP was never a good idea.  If it takes us longer to figure that out because of being so much larger than other countries, that’s not proof that it wasn’t a bad idea.  Just that we could get away with it for possibly decades.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Subcomandante America (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    Maybe if it’s just not sustainable?

    Hah. If Trump and Trumpists were the least bit concerned about sustainability, they’d be working on entitlement reform. But Trump has ruled that out.

    I remember a Democratic friends telling me, “Sure, capitalism has been beneficial for the last century or two, but those days are past.” Kind of like vaccines, I suppose. Sure, they saved us from polio and stuff, but that was in the old days. We don’t need them anymore.

    Just because earlier vaccines were great, doesn’t prove they should continue to expand and move in different directions such as mRNA.  No more than cars keep getting better if you make them continually “safer” with more and more steel until they can’t move at all.

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  17. Subcomandante America Member
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    @TheReticulator

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Just because earlier vaccines were great, doesn’t prove they should continue to expand and move in different directions such as mRNA.  No more than cars keep getting better if you make them continually “safer” with more and more steel until they can’t move at all.

    Now that they’ve been invented I’ll take an mRNA vaccine over another wherever that alternative exists, with one caveat:  Getting the dose right may be trickier with an mRNA vaccine. In my mind it’s unfortunate that there wasn’t more testing on the dose of those for covid. 

    I may get a booster soon.  It has been a couple of years since I last had one (after which I got a very mild covid a month later).  But my old Rite-Aid pharmacy is now gone, and if the others offer only the Moderna, I may just skip it.    The dose makes me a bit nervous about it.   That may be a just a superstition on my part; I wish there were more useful data to help inform me. 

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  18. LC Member
    LC
    @LidensCheng

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    It’s like the Republicans are actively trying to drive people away.

     

    I vote for RJ, multiple times. But this [redacted] is nuts.

     

    Yeah, same. This is certainly not the way to win after the last local election. 

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  19. Steven Seward Member
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    @StevenSeward

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    Maybe if it’s just not sustainable?

    Well, its been sustaining for about ………………75 or 80 years?  Give or take a few.  Is that long enough to convince you?  Or should we wait another 75 years before we can safely conclude that we live in the most prosperous country? 

    I, for one, have been looking at Haiti as being the most prosperous.   If we just give them another 150 years they will prove me right!

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  20. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Entitlements etc could be sustainable with some minor tweaking and a growing economy. But hollowing out our own economy by “trading” with the CCP was never a good idea.

    Your talking points about the historical bad state of the U.S. economy puts you in good company –  Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader, Michael Moore, AOC, Rashida Talib, Jamaal Bowman, etc…..

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  21. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    LC (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    It’s like the Republicans are actively trying to drive people away.

    I vote for RJ, multiple times. But this [redacted] is nuts.

    Yeah, same. This is certainly not the way to win after the last local election.

    I feel like I am out  of the loop (or maybe just loopy?).  What is “RJ?”

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Entitlements etc could be sustainable with some minor tweaking and a growing economy. But hollowing out our own economy by “trading” with the CCP was never a good idea.

    Your talking points about the historical bad state of the U.S. economy puts you in good company – Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader, Michael Moore, AOC, Rashida Talib, Jamaal Bowman, etc…..

    Also Ronald Reagan and others.

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  23. Subcomandante America Member
    Subcomandante America
    @TheReticulator

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I feel like I am out  of the loop (or maybe just loopy?).  What is “RJ?”

     It’s in the OP title. 

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  24. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Entitlements etc could be sustainable with some minor tweaking and a growing economy. But hollowing out our own economy by “trading” with the CCP was never a good idea.

    Your talking points about the historical bad state of the U.S. economy puts you in good company – Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader, Michael Moore, AOC, Rashida Talib, Jamaal Bowman, etc…..

    They all would have told you about the miracle of Bidenomics, though. We just didn’t realize how good $5/gal. gas and $8/doz. eggs were for us!

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  25. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Entitlements etc could be sustainable with some minor tweaking and a growing economy. But hollowing out our own economy by “trading” with the CCP was never a good idea.

    Your talking points about the historical bad state of the U.S. economy puts you in good company – Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader, Michael Moore, AOC, Rashida Talib, Jamaal Bowman, etc…..

    Also Ronald Reagan and others.

    But when Reagan ran for President 45 years ago , the U.S. was in a downturn with double-digit inflation, high unemployment,  and 16% interest rates.  Notably we did not have a trade deficit with China during those Carter years.  It was after we started having trade deficits with China, in the 1980’s, that things got significantly better.

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  26. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Subcomandante America (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I feel like I am out of the loop (or maybe just loopy?). What is “RJ?”

    It’s in the OP title.

    Thanks, Subcomandante!

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  27. Subcomandante America Member
    Subcomandante America
    @TheReticulator

    Percival (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Entitlements etc could be sustainable with some minor tweaking and a growing economy. But hollowing out our own economy by “trading” with the CCP was never a good idea.

    Your talking points about the historical bad state of the U.S. economy puts you in good company – Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader, Michael Moore, AOC, Rashida Talib, Jamaal Bowman, etc…..

    They all would have told you about the miracle of Bidenomics, though. We just didn’t realize how good $5/gal. gas and $8/doz. eggs were for us!

    You might throw Donald Trump into that list, too.  He says 2.8% inflation is “virtually no inflation.”  He is pressuring the Fed to do things that would create more of it.   

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  28. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    Getting back to the original point of the post, does anyone think Ron Johnson is contemplating running for president?  It could be that he and his advisors have noticed that Republicans who don’t occasionally sound like kooks tend to be dismissed as “establishment,” “RINOs,” “deep-staters,” et cetera.  Perhaps you have to say incendiary things to be taken seriously in today’s Republican Party.

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  29. Michael Minnott Member
    Michael Minnott
    @MichaelMinnott

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Getting back to the original point of the post, does anyone think Ron Johnson is contemplating running for president? It could be that he and his advisors have noticed that Republicans who don’t occasionally sound like kooks tend to be dismissed as “establishment,” “RINOs,” “deep-staters,” et cetera. Perhaps you have to say incendiary things to be taken seriously in today’s Republican Party.

    Possibly.  I may not agree with him on everything, but I would happily vote for RJ over anyone the Democrats are likely to run.

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  30. Michael Minnott Member
    Michael Minnott
    @MichaelMinnott

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    Perhaps I’m over-analyzing, but I think Conservatism is in disarray now due to its failures after the end of the Cold War.

    Free trade has not panned out as planned, combined with pointless foreign wars. At home Conservatives have proven feckless in the face of cultural Marxism.

    I have supported Trump as I see him having clearly identified these issues and is responding to them to my satisfaction. However, although his reactions are fine, I do not think he is thoughtful enough to forge a path beyond our current crises. This begs what I think is an obvious question; what person, or persons on the right do we think can provide an intellectual framework moving forward?

    I would agree with you in general except on the free trade issue. The U.S. has blown past all the first-world countries in terms of wealth and economic success. How does that square with free trade not panning out for us?

    The issue isn’t free trade by itself.  The issue is two-fold:

    1.  Free trade operates under a Pax American which is extremely expensive and amounts to a massive, market distorting subsidy.  This was justified during the Cold War as a strategic cost, but with the Cold War over it’s justification is over.
    2.   Belligerent actors like the CCP have used the wealth, technology and access granted by free trade to make themselves an emergent threat.  They use asymmetrical warfare to attack us (drug trade, Confucius centers, buying-off politicians) combined with with overt military threats (planning to invade Taiwan).
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