Elon and the mainstream conversation in Britain and America

 

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So didn’t the British public know about the Immigrant-Muslim rape gangs before Elon?

I waste time listening to viral YouTubers (V-tubers). But sometimes, I learn about what regular people know or don’t know about a subject. To my surprise, this fairly well-educated guy had absolutely no idea about the systematic rape by immigrant-Muslim rape gangs. Other folks I know who pay fairly close attention to the news haven’t heard about it either.

This is why Elon Musk’s messages on X are so important. They reach a broader audience while bypassing the media that wouldn’t report this story.

It reminds me of the American TV show Roots, which was about slavery in America. Any scholar of African history knew that whites almost always bought slaves from other African tribes and that African tribes were constantly in a state of war. But the series depicted Africans as living in a state of peace and tranquility until whites showed up and started collecting slaves.

As a result, to this day, there is a myth of Africans being these peaceful, noble people. As demonstrated by this Family Guy clip.

I understand that Ricochetti are obsessed with research and like to quote history books regularly, but debating Hayek vs. Von Mises won’t play in Peoria. This is why TV shows and X are more important than the best political philosophy book of the year.  It’s the mainstream conversation that defines the norm.

Lastly and most importantly, how many people in Britain were unaware of these immigrant-Muslim rape gangs?

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    It was in the news HERE already, several years ago, and at that time it kinda sounded like the UK people knew about it too.  But maybe it was only the mayors etc, and the general public was kept in the dark.  The actual victims and their families may have been threatened into silence.  Including by the reports/accusations being considered some kind of “hate crime.”

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  2. Orange Gerald Coolidge
    Orange Gerald
    @Jose

    BookWorm, who attended some university in the UK, has been covering this topic for years, although I cannot provide specific links.

    Regarding The Beginning of the Slavery Supply Chain, I did a post on that here

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  3. EODmom Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    It was in the news HERE already, several years ago, and at that time it kinda sounded like the UK people knew about it too. But maybe it was only the mayors etc, and the general public was kept in the dark. The actual victims and their families may have been threatened into silence. Including by the reports/accusations being considered some kind of “hate crime.”

    I think what was operative is: threatened. Those with authority and power to protect the children were afraid they themselves/their families would be harmed. They saw the way Muslims treat non-Muslims elsewhere, heard local threats and saw what was done to the children and knew they themselves would be targeted. So they sacrificed the children. I would bet our mortgage that everyone in the towns knew what was happening. No one is invisible in neighborhoods and towns. Neighbors knew. They sacrificed children and are still protecting themselves. I give them no benefit of the doubt.  

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  4. Henry Racette Member
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    I find it darkly amusing that so much of the European establishment is wringing its hands over Musk’s influence, when what Musk does is say things that the press chooses not to say. That terrifies those who have counted on a complicit press. It should.

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  5. Orange Gerald Coolidge
    Orange Gerald
    @Jose

    The much maligned Tommy Robinson has spoken out about it.  He has spoken to Jordan Peterson on the topic. I’d put up a link but I’m having connectivity problems…

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  6. David Foster Member
    David Foster
    @DavidFoster

    “This is why TV shows and X are more important than the best political philosophy book of the year”…what people read in a novel or watch on a screen can definitely affect their perceptions of reality, sometimes in ways that are difficult or impossible to dislodge via factual contradition.

    I think it was Shelley who said ‘Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world’…screenwriters and directors need to be added to this formulation.

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  7. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    It has nothing to do with Twitter/X, and everything to do with Elon Musk bringing it up when he did, and because he’s nominally a part of the upcoming Trump Administration.

    I don’t know if Twitter blocked the Rotherham rapes at the time they started to get covered in 2011-2012.  I don’t think the main social media sites were at full censorship mode during that time, so probably it did make Twitter.  In any case, I picked it up in National Review not Twitter.

    There’s so much posted on social media, it seems random as to what gets noticed publicly.  And what does get noticed publicly is often untrue.

    I’m glad the mainstream media is being bypassed, but social media is very much a flawed solution.

    Andrew McCarthy has a piece on why it was ignored, despite the screaming by victims at the time.  Keep in mind, by the way, that The Times of London did cover it.

    Getting back to Andy’s piece:

    Britain’s Labour government is adamantly opposed to an investigation of the “grooming gangs” because its officials — very much including Prime Minister Keir Starmer, formerly the director of public prosecutions — have known what is happening on a rampant scale. It was impossible not to know. It wasn’t a well-covered story, but it also wasn’t an uncovered story.

    The reason this story was hidden in plain site go much deeper, which is also covered in his piece.  If it wasn’t getting covered in Twitter at the time, I seriously doubt that it would have made a difference if it were.

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  8. Caryn Thatcher
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    I’ve known about them for at least a decade.  Mark Steyn, among others, has been reporting about it for a very long time.  And, of course, Tommy Robinson.  Here’s Steyn talking about Robinson and his troubles with the law for speaking the truth.  And here’s the always excellent Douglas Murray from a couple of days ago, going over some of the history of the suppression of the information.  But it was out there and very, very ugly.  Shameful dereliction of duty.

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  9. Old Bathos Member
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    Everybody knew. Everybody knew they were not allowed to talk about it.

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  10. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    News agencies are interested in narrative. Muslim rape gangs does not help push their multi-cultural dream 

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  11. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Orange Gerald (View Comment):

    The much maligned Tommy Robinson has spoken out about it. He has spoken to Jordan Peterson on the topic. I’d put up a link but I’m having connectivity problems…

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  12. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Musk made it impractical for people to continue to pretend they did not know about it.

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Everybody knew. Everybody knew they were not allowed to talk about it.

    That is Douglas Murray’s take and he has forgotten more about the immigrant-rape gangs than most of know. 

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  14. David Foster Member
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    I’ve previously quoted something said to me once by a wise executive:

    When you’re running a large organization, you aren’t seeing reality.  It’s like you’re watching a movie where you get to see maybe one out of a thousand frames, and from that you have to figure out what is going on.

    If this is true about running large organizations,  it is even more true for the citizen and voter in a large and complex country.  The individual can directly observe only a small amount of the relevant information, for the rest–from the events on the border to international and military affairs–he is generally dependent on others.  And that gives those others–those who choose the frames and the sequence in which they are presented in the movie analogy–a tremendous amount of power. 

    Uncensored Internet platforms are a threat to those who hold this power, and they know it.

    See my post Imagine No Internet.

     

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  15. Caryn Thatcher
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    Bari Weiss, Julie Bindel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the topic.  Well worth a listen.

     

     

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  16. Max Knots Member
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    Orange Gerald (View Comment):

    The much maligned Tommy Robinson has spoken out about it. He has spoken to Jordan Peterson on the topic. I’d put up a link but I’m having connectivity problems…

    Yes. It was a good episode though extremely disturbing. The current Labor Party Prime Minister was in on the coverup from well before he became PM. 

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jordan-b-peterson-podcast/id1184022695?i=1000667195228

     

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  17. Henry Racette Member
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    And of course it isn’t limited to Britain. Other European countries with high immigration rates from northern Africa and southern Asia have also experienced dramatic increases in sex crime clearly linked to their immigrant communities.

    It isn’t wise to welcome large numbers of people with very different, and incompatible, cultural norms and values. It’s doubly unwise to do so when those people have incentives to remain isolated and unassimilated, and are allowed to do so.

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  18. She Member
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    Of course people knew.  They simply preferred to avert their eyes. Unfortunately, many twenty-first century Brits are not made of the same stuff as their forebears.  They’re easily intimidated by authority, and they don’t like talking about uncomfortable things.

    One of the principal reasons given for Labour not authorizing a national inquiry into the systemic rape of girls and young women in the UK is that there already was such a national inquiry, begun in 2015 and published in 2022 (seven years!), so there was no reason for a new one.

    They’re referring to the Jay Inquiry, (not to be confused with the John Jay Report, which was the result of a a 2004 investigation into “the Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States.”)

    The Jay Inquiry was helmed by Professor Alexis Jay, visiting professor at the University of Strathclyde, and it focused specifically on the sexual abuse of children in Rotherham, Yorkshire.

    It may be superficial, and perhaps not dispositive, but it is certainly (as one of my enterprising relatives in the UK found it) illuminating, that–through all the hundreds of pages of the Jay Inquiry, its prefaces, appendices and references–the word “muslim” appears four times and the word “Catholic” appears 124 times.  Guess which instances of child sexual abuse were the focus of the Jay Inquiry? And guess which instances of child sexual abuse were almost totally ignored?

    By ripping the scab off the wound in a forum that Parliament hasn’t found a way to control (yet) Elon Musk has created what the Left likes to call a “permission structure” for the open discussion of the problem of immigrant rape gangs in the UK.  Since the vote against a national inquiry, a few Labour MPs have changed sides and said they would vote for a national inquiry if the vote were held again (Rotherham’s MP is one of them).

    I don’t actually know if holding a “national inquiry” is even a useful idea.  Keep in mind that the UK’s “national inquiry” into Covid didn’t begin until 2023, drones on through 2025, with public testimony being taken through 2026, that it has no specific end date, and that–as with many British “national inquiries” there’s a good chance the results will never be published in full.  Meanwhile, a considerable number of European countries which are not in thrall to such scleroticism, have held, disposed of, and implemented measures in response to, their own national inquiries into Covid. So there’s no guarantee a national inquiry into immigrant rape gangs would actually tackle the issue or lead to widespread action  by the end of this decade.  In fact, precedent indicates that outcome is rather unlikely.

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    She (View Comment):

    Of course people knew. They simply preferred to avert their eyes. Unfortunately, many twenty-first century Brits are not made of the same stuff as their forebears. They’re easily intimidated by authority, and they don’t like talking about uncomfortable things.

    One of the principal reasons given for Labour not authorizing a national inquiry into the systemic rape of girls and young women in the UK is that there already was such a national inquiry, begun in 2015 and published in 2022 (seven years!), so there was no reason for a new one.

    They’re referring to the Jay Inquiry, (not to be confused with the John Jay Report, which was the result of a a 2004 investigation into “the Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States.”)

    The Jay Inquiry was helmed by Professor Alexis Jay, visiting professor at the University of Strathclyde, and it focused specifically on the sexual abuse of children in Rotherham, Yorkshire.

    It may be superficial, and perhaps not dispositive, but it is certainly (as one of my enterprising relatives in the UK found it) illuminating, that–through all the hundreds of pages of the Jay Inquiry, its prefaces, appendices and references–the word “muslim” appears four times and the word “Catholic” appears 124 times. Guess which instances of child sexual abuse were the focus of the Jay Inquiry? And guess which instances of child sexual abuse were almost totally ignored?

    By ripping the scab off the wound in a forum that Parliament hasn’t found a way to control (yet) Elon Musk has created what the Left likes to call a “permission structure” for the open discussion of the problem of immigrant rape gangs in the UK. Since the vote against a national inquiry, a few Labour MPs have changed sides and said they would vote for a national inquiry if the vote were held again (Rotherham’s MP is one of them).

    I don’t actually know if holding a “national inquiry” is even a useful idea. Keep in mind that the UK’s “national inquiry” into Covid didn’t begin until 2023, drones on through 2025, with public testimony being taken through 2026, that it has no specific end date, and that–as with many British “national inquiries” there’s a good chance the results will never be published in full. Meanwhile, a considerable number of European countries which are not in thrall to such scleroticism, have held, disposed of, and implemented measures in response to, their own national inquiries into Covid. So there’s no guarantee a national inquiry into immigrant rape gangs would actually tackle the issue or lead to widespread action by the end of this decade. In fact, precedent indicates that outcome is rather unlikely.

    To paraphrase Douglas Murray, “We don’t need another bloody report. We need action.”

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  20. Henry Castaigne Member
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    I wrote another essay about the nature of muslim rape gangs here. It goes into the old testament. I think I came up with a good explanation of why some cultures are more rapey than others. 

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  21. Eb Snider Member
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    This British ad using school girls in uniforms welcoming “refugees” into Wales is a bit too on the nose. Wow. Screen shot and then video link below.

    https://x.com/CilComLFC/status/1878137821443072396?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1878137821443072396%7Ctwgr%5Ef98baefa6c4943b861a4e449daf24b2a90762053%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.steynonline.com%2F14917%2Fit-paedos-all-the-way-down

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Eb Snider (View Comment):

    This British ad using school girls in uniforms welcoming “refugees” into Wales is a bit too on the nose. Wow. Screen shot and then video link below.

    https://x.com/CilComLFC/status/1878137821443072396?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1878137821443072396%7Ctwgr%5Ef98baefa6c4943b861a4e449daf24b2a90762053%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.steynonline.com%2F14917%2Fit-paedos-all-the-way-down

    Once again, probably all that’s needed is up to the ?

    The rest is for tracking your activity, what ads to show you…

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  23. Old Bathos Member
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    Eb Snider (View Comment):

    This British ad using school girls in uniforms welcoming “refugees” into Wales is a bit too on the nose. Wow. Screen shot and then video link below.

    https://x.com/CilComLFC/status/1878137821443072396?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1878137821443072396%7Ctwgr%5Ef98baefa6c4943b861a4e449daf24b2a90762053%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.steynonline.com%2F14917%2Fit-paedos-all-the-way-down

    Amazing.

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  24. MarciN Member
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    Where are the parents of these young girls? Why were these kids out and about at dusk and at night as this threat became known?

    I have to think that these young girls are the children of single parents or foster care parents. The population of children in foster care has grown because of illicit drugs. Foster care parents are well meaning, but they are hard to find for teenagers, both in UK and here in the United States, and it’s a very hard job when the parents are dealing with kids who have had a lot of freedom because of parental neglect in their primary home.

    Furthermore, I think this is the biggest problem with the police not investigating these cases as they should have: local parents were not informed strongly enough about the threat that existed (and still exists).

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    Furthermore, I think this is the biggest problem with the police not investigating these cases as they should have: local parents were not informed strongly enough about the threat that existed (and still exists).

    Hey, this is UK.  If the police told parents what was going on, they might have to arrest themselves/each other for “hate speech.”

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  26. She Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Where are the parents of these young girls? Why were these kids out and about at dusk and at night as this threat became known?

    I have to think that these young girls are the children of single parents or foster care parents. The population of children in foster care has grown because of illicit drugs. Foster care parents are well meaning, but they are hard to find for teenagers, both in UK and here in the United States, and it’s a very hard job when the parents are dealing with kids who have had a lot of freedom because of parental neglect in their primary home.

    Furthermore, I think this is the biggest problem with the police not investigating these cases as they should have: local parents were not informed strongly enough about the threat that existed (and still exists).

    I don’t think involving the parents (if you can find either or both of them) about the minutiae of this disgraceful scandal would do a thing.  Take what you know of the worst parts of San Francisco or Portland and its effect on the youth in such cities; multiply the hopelessness tenfold, and transfer it to the industrial midlands and north of the UK; adding in a stunning influx of a largely legal and unassimilated first, second, and third generation population of migrants from a vastly different culture; throwing in a social safety net beyond the dreams of most in this country, one which funds the lifestyle and allows the abuses to continue unabated; find (it doesn’t seem particuarly hard to do) a hefty contingent of corrupt local and metropolitan coppers; and ice the cake with a population who–no matter what they are told–simply look away from, or–when they can–fire or destroy (see Steyn, Mark) those who make their lives uncomfortable by talking about matters that mustn’t be mentioned in polite company lest someone (preferably from a “protected group”) be “upset” or “offended.”

    We talk in this country about the chilling effect of things like the prosecution of Daniel Penny, or the way in which the “See Something, Say Something” campaign was often twisted to target those who brought suspicious behavior to the attention of the authorities with claims of racism or one or another form of “phobia.”  There’s no comparison between that and the climate of fear that exists in the UK, where people are jailed for YEARS for a hot-tempered remark that one person complains of as offensive, or where cavalcades of police appear on the doorstep of a Telegraph reporter on a Sunday morning to charge her with incitement to racial hatred because of an ill-advised tweet from a little more than a year before (made in the aftermath of October 7), one which she swiftly deleted shortly after posting. 

    People in Britain are terrified of being thought of as racist, and of being prosecuted as such and having their livelihoods and their freedoms taken away.  And they have good reason to be.

    There’s your chilling effect.  

     

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  27. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    I am currently rereading Douglas Murray’s The Strange Death of Europe. In it he details the rape gangs. The thing he emphasizes is that the people in power knew what was happening, knew that it was insane to continue to allow the flow of immigrants into the country, but simultaneously also knew that there was nothing that they could do to stop it. 

    Whether what they believed was true or simply a confirmation of their incompetence isn’t determined. However, the fact that they did nothing but double down on their “diversity” nonsense and attacked those who challenged it demonstates how little they cared about the people they claimed to serve. What they demonstrated is that their desire to stay in power transended any real desire to fulfill the functions of their offices but, rather, the overwhelming desire to simply stay in power for its own sake. There is nothing unique about that. Joe Biden is a prime example of that, an absolute avatar of it having spent his entire career using his various offices to enrich himself and his family at the expense of the safety and security of the people of the United States. He is far from alone in that. Nancy Pelosi is another outstanding example of that. There are, likely, hundreds of such pieces of garbage sitting in the US Congress and Senate. 

    What happened in Britain is appalling, no question. However, we are yet to learn the full story of what is happening to thousands of illegal immigrants being admitted into our country under the Biden administration’s “benign” neglect.

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  28. She Member
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    Bari Weiss, Julie Bindel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the topic. Well worth a listen

    It’s excellent.  For those who prefer to read, rather than listen, the transcript is here: https://www.thefp.com/p/bari-weiss-uk-grooming-gangs-cowardice-of-the-west

    What the two guests (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who needs no introduction, and Julie Bindel–a left-wing, radical feminist with a hefty dose of sanity about certain matters for which she’s paid a heavy price over the years) make clear, in even starker terms than I’ve been using here, is that this isn’t a matter of the “authorities” overlooking, or not doing enough, to inform the public–particularly the parents of pre-teen and adolescent girls–of the dangers of immigrant rape gangs in something upwards of fifty cities and towns throughout the United Kingdom.  It’s a result of the systematic enablement of such rape gangs by  those “authorities,” whether they be in social services, the police force, the justice system, and/or local and national politics.  Enablement which results from cowardice and a fear of breaking down “community standards” (LOL) of tolerance and multiculturalism, coupled with a fear of loss of reputation, of being cancelled, run out of town, or physically harmed by complaining or taking a stand in favor of native-born girls, usually from difficult and poverty-ridden backgrounds, against often wealthy and influential rape gang syndicates.  For that’s what they are: organized syndicates.

    It’s the rape equivalent (and then some) of the Royal Mail Post Office scandal, which took over two decades to fully unpick, and during which over seven hundred English sub-postmasters were wrongly accused of fraud and theft because of a fault in the computer system running the post offices.  Hundreds of innocents were jailed and some committed suicide from the shame, humiliation, and financial and social destruction heaped upon them, until one man with a limited resources and a spine of steel, who simply wouldn’t give up, shamed the government into doing something about it, and–even then–not before a television network ran a miniseries–Mr Bates vs the Post Office–over four nights which galvanized public outrage at the behavior of the Post Office and the government, and finally the lid came off.

    I hope Britain is approaching that point again. Once Keir Starmer is done with his plan to recompense Gerry Adams, and up to 400 others for their time spent in a British jail in the 1970s, I’m sure he’ll get right on it.  There’s quite a bit of public outrage about that, but unfortunately, the victims of the IRA bombs are largely unavailable for comment.

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