More Unbelievable Authority

 

So today we have a dude who drove a pickup into a crowd on Bourbon Street, killing ten people; shot at cops, wounding two; and was then apparently shot dead by police.  The bodies are still warm and the FBI assistant SAC for New Orleans says the FBI is taking over the investigation, but that it was not a terror attack.

Isn’t that what an investigation is for?  Why come out and say it’s not terrorism now?

I typed this around 0830 this morning and then had to be on the road until just now.  Apparently now the Feds are admitting there may be more than one actor and talking about ties to ISIS, etc.

Why did this supervisory agent come out of the blocks so hard that it wasn’t terrorism, when multiple indicators said it certainly could be?  We are talking in another conversation about how public health officials destroyed their credibility during COVID, and here is the FBI looking even more stupid than it has since the long anti-Trump campaign started in 2016.

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  1. Old Bathos Member
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    I was surprised by the immediate overt denial of a terror attack rather than some boilerplate about an ongoing investigation.  Apparently, FBI DEI training makes it more important to avoid an accusation of “Islamophobia ” than to get it right.

     

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  2. EODmom Coolidge
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    Who besides our household is counting down to “previously known to authorities?”

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  3. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

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  4. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    Workplace violence. 

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  5. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    Workplace violence.

    He was heard yelling, “This is MAGA Country!!”

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    No surprise here.  I expect the FBI to claim “unknown motive” etc even if multiple people hear yells of “allahu akbar!”

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  7. DonG (¡Afuera!) Coolidge
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    Do you remember when Biden purged all the guys in the military with Betsy Ross flags?   But he kept the ISIS wanna-be’s. 

    I heard there were bombs at the Cathedral in downtown New Orleans.   Today is a holy day of obligation!

    Also, some nutter blew up a Tesla CyberTruck in front of the Trump Casino in Las Vegas.  

    All of Biden’s terrorist hens are coming home to roost. 

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (¡Afuera!) (View Comment):

    Do you remember when Biden purged all the guys in the military with Betsy Ross flags? But he kept the ISIS wanna-be’s.

    I heard there were bombs at the Cathedral in downtown New Orleans. Today is a holy day of obligation!

    Also, some nutter blew up a Tesla CyberTruck in front of the Trump Casino in Las Vegas.

    All of Biden’s terrorist hens are coming home to roost.

    And they’ll likely be blamed on Trump.  Some stupid people will believe it.

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    I was surprised by the immediate overt denial of a terror attack rather than some boilerplate about an ongoing investigation. Apparently, FBI DEI training makes it more important to avoid an accusation of “Islamophobia ” than to get it right.

     

    They went from the denial that it was terrorism to “4-5 accomplices” pretty fast. Kind of like they know something.

    EODmom (View Comment):

    Who besides our household is counting down to “previously known to authorities?”

    Yup.

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  10. Michael Minnott Member
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    What was that saying from the old Soviet Union?  Something along the lines of, “It isn’t confirmed until the official denial.”

    Sad to see this being applicable now in America.

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  11. Andrew Troutman Coolidge
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    Have they told us to hug a Muslim yet?

    ”What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims.” -Norm MacDonald

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  12. Sisyphus Member
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  13. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    DonG (¡Afuera!) (View Comment):
    I heard there were bombs at the Cathedral in downtown New Orleans.   Today is a holy day of obligation!

    NOLA.com has good coverage.  They don’t report bombs at the cathedral, but close enough.

    I’ve been lucky to attend Mass at St. Louis.  They say the St. Michael prayer after every Mass.  They’re cool.

    AP photo/Matthew Hinton

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  14. Full Size Tabby Member
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    OK, I haven’t been paying attention to the New Year’s Day New Orleans matter (we were out visiting my brother and sister-in-law for New Year’s Day). But, on the drive home this afternoon, I heard on the radio the event referred to as a “terror attack” (though it was not clear if that was the term by the FBI or by the news station). But if early in the day the FBI asserted it was NOT a terror attack, then why was the FBI involved? What (other than the potential as a terror attack) gave the federal government jurisdiction over what would otherwise be a local piece of violence?

    I was already on suspicion about whatever the government might say because on the drive to my brother’s I had been listening to more stuff on the alleged drones over New Jersey and elsewhere. The federal government kept (and I think keeps) saying, “We have no idea what they are or where they come from, but there’s nothing to worry about. Clearly not a malevolent foreign actor.” These statement cannot be all simultaneously true. If the government does not know what they are or where they come from, they have no basis on which to assert that there is nothing to worry about. If there truly is nothing to worry about, then the government does know something about what they are and from where they come. 

    On top of years of obvious government mal-information (if not outright dishonesty) about the Covid virus, why should anyone believe anything the federal government says?

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  15. Sisyphus Member
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    The terrorists served the US military in Afghanistan under Obama, working in human resources. There has to be a biopic of the week in this.

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  16. Sisyphus Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    But if early in the day the FBI asserted it was NOT a terror attack, then why was the FBI involved?

    Texas plates in a Louisiana murder?

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    But if early in the day the FBI asserted it was NOT a terror attack, then why was the FBI involved?

    Texas plates in a Louisiana murder?

    Yeah, that would be enough. The murder weapon crossed state lines, or at least its license plates did. It’s enough of a hook to hang a federal hat on.

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    According to my Twitter feed, yes, because leftists don’t have the money to do something like that.  

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  19. Sisyphus Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    According to my Twitter feed, yes, because leftists don’t have the money to do something like that.

    Not after sinking a billion and a half into the titanic Kamala.

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  20. The Reticulator Member
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    Tex929rr: sn’t that what an investigation is for?  Why come out and say it’s not terrorism now?

    I’ll put this in the same bin with Bill Clinton telling us, “We may never know…” almost before Vince Foster’s body had time to reach room temperature, and the media telling us 2020 was the cleanest election ever even before enough time had passed for anyone to evaluate that.

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  21. Percival Thatcher
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    According to my Twitter feed, yes, because leftists don’t have the money to do something like that.

    Antifa may still have a farthing or two to rub together. The Tesla truck contained fireworks. Antifa is fond of using fireworks in its explosive devices.

    Not dispositive. Just a thing to keep in mind.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    According to my Twitter feed, yes, because leftists don’t have the money to do something like that.

    Antifa may still have a farthing or two to rub together. The Tesla truck contained fireworks. Antifa is fond of using fireworks in its explosive devices.

    Not dispositive. Just a thing to keep in mind.

    And you’d think that for renting a Tesla, they’d have gotten some pretty strong identification.

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    According to my Twitter feed, yes, because leftists don’t have the money to do something like that.

    Antifa may still have a farthing or two to rub together. The Tesla truck contained fireworks. Antifa is fond of using fireworks in its explosive devices.

    Not dispositive. Just a thing to keep in mind.

    And you’d think that for renting a Tesla, they’d have gotten some pretty strong identification.

    Two electric trucks, both from Turo?

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  24. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    or a Latin Mass Catholic

    or a parent protesting at a PTA

    or a pro-life advocate who is praying in front of a planned parenthood

     

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Lemme guess, Shamsud-Din Jabbar is an extreme right winger.

    or a Latin Mass Catholic

    or a parent protesting at a PTA

    or a pro-life advocate who is praying in front of a planned parenthood

     

    Because Christopher Wray warned us that those people were the real threat.

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  26. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    I saw a post on X this morning about the grooming scandal in the UK.  It talked about how so many politicians and law enforcement officials were more worried about the effect the scandal had on race relations than the actual rape of thousand of young women.  This summary was that all the government cared about was good intentions, as if that was the only metric that mattered.

    I think that’s what is at work here.  It was instinctive for this supervisory agent to say “not terrorism”.  It’s more important to mouth platitudes than to, you know, enforce the law.

    Kash Patel needs to do the sort of wholesale firing that Elon Musk did at Twitter.  X has something less than ten percent of the workforce they had before he bought the company.  Ten percent of the current FBI staff of actual hard core agents would get much more done for the country than the current load.

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  27. Columbo Member
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    So much hope for Kash Patel’s success in transforming the FBI.

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  28. Some Call Me ...Tim Coolidge
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    DonG (¡Afuera!) (View Comment):
    I heard there were bombs at the Cathedral in downtown New Orleans. Today is a holy day of obligation!

    NOLA.com has good coverage. They don’t report bombs at the cathedral, but close enough.

    I’ve been lucky to attend Mass at St. Louis. They say the St. Michael prayer after every Mass. They’re cool.

     

    AP photo/Matthew Hinton

    NOLA.COM has dropped its paywall so you can read all their coverage for free. 
    All churches in the archdiocese pray the Prayer to St. Michael after Mass.  It’s pretty good. 
    The FBI pretty quickly backed away from the “this is not a terrorist attack” statement by the agency spokesmoron.  I think we should drop that particular criticism.  All parties involved seem to be working together to figure out what happened.  

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  29. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):

    The FBI pretty quickly backed away from the “this is not a terrorist attack” statement by the agency spokesmoron. I think we should drop that particular criticism. All parties involved seem to be working together to figure out what happened.

    Why?  All they had to do was say the investigation was ongoing.  It was early; waiting to release more information would make sense.  But she was one hair trigger to say it wasn’t a terrorist attack.  It’s institutional or she is inept.  Either way we deserve to know. 

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):
    The FBI pretty quickly backed away from the “this is not a terrorist attack” statement by the agency spokesmoron.

    “Spokesmoron” is pretty good, but I think I still prefer “spokes-hole.”

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