Why did Trump Win? It’s not so hard to figure out…

 

Trump won because more people voted for him than voted for Harris.  But that isn’t the question.

The question is, why did more people vote for Trump than Harris?

I’ve been trying to explain to my left-leaning friends, but they can’t or won’t understand. And that, to quote Yoda, is why they fail. If you get in the head of a farmer living in rural wherever, and you try to understand how he thinks, as opposed to how you would think if you were a farmer in rural wherever, or how you think he should think, then you will understand why he voted for Trump. He isn’t dumb. He’s not a racist, nor a fascist nor any of the other -ists and -obes that people use to explain why a person votes for Trump. He simply believes something different than what you believe. He might well be wrong, but no one who calls him a racist or a rube or shares photos of the Statue of Liberty with a gun to her head is going to convince him that he’s wrong.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Good to see you, Spin.

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  2. Spin Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Good to see you, Spin.

    You are still here?  If had but known…

    ha ha…I tried to get King Prawn to rejoin with me as a sort of post election celebration but he’s not celebrating at the sae level as I am….

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Spin (View Comment):
    ha ha…I tried to get King Prawn to rejoin with me as a sort of post election celebration but he’s not celebrating at the same level as I am….

    Give him a howdy for us. A lot of us are still here.

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  4. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    @EKentGolding

    Nice Post

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  5. Knotwise the Poet Member
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    @KnotwisethePoet

    Why should they try to understand!?  You don’t need to understand how Nazis think or why they think the way they do?  You’re just supposed to fight them!

    A lot of people just cannot conceive of the idea that a rational person might consider Trump the better option when electing someone as president out of the choices they were given.

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  6. Spin Coolidge
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    Knotwise the Poet (View Comment):

    Why should they try to understand!? You don’t need to understand how Nazis think or why they think the way they do? You’re just supposed to fight them!

    A lot of people just cannot conceive of the idea that a rational person might consider Trump the better option when electing someone as president out of the choices they were given.

    They should try to understand because it might help them win the next election.  But…ya know!

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  7. Spin Coolidge
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    @Spin

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    ha ha…I tried to get King Prawn to rejoin with me as a sort of post election celebration but he’s not celebrating at the same level as I am….

    Give him a howdy for us. A lot of us are still here.

    He says “Hey”.  That’s all the energy he can muster on a Friday night…

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):
    ha ha…I tried to get King Prawn to rejoin with me as a sort of post election celebration but he’s not celebrating at the same level as I am….

    Give him a howdy for us. A lot of us are still here.

    By all means. I love it when the old-timers come back.

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  9. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    I’ve been listening to the various cable news outfits struggling with Kamala’s loss. They are on the cusp of understanding that they are no longer the straw that stirs the drink. They made fun of Trump for wasting time on podcasts when he could have been putting up with their ill-considered “gotcha” questions on their shows.

    They are also beginning to understand that they cannot convince the population that the economy is wonderful merely by announcing it is.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):
    They are also beginning to understand that they cannot convince the population that the economy is wonderful merely by announcing it is.

    And while the economy may indeed be great FOR THEM, that’s not convincing for a lot of people.

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  11. Richard O'Shea Coolidge
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    @RichardOShea

    America had four years of Trump.

    Then America had four years of Biden.

    The majority of Americans preferred door number one.

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  12. Michael Minnott Member
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    @MichaelMinnott

    Percival (View Comment):

    I’ve been listening to the various cable news outfits struggling with Kamala’s loss. They are on the cusp of understanding that they are no longer the straw that stirs the drink. They made fun of Trump for wasting time on podcasts when he could have been putting up with their ill-considered “gotcha” questions on their shows.

    They are also beginning to understand that they cannot convince the population that the economy is wonderful merely by announcing it is.

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  13. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    Two very good takes:

    https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-shattering-of-the-democratic

    Ruy Teixeira is one of the best libs to read. Too liberal in his politics & economics for me, but he is honest & not a complete partisan hack (which is almost impossible to get from the MSM). I hope the Dems don’t follow the principles he lists at the end of the piece. In a WSJ article/interview today, Ruy points out the Dems problems with cultural issues:

    [on] trans [issues] Mr. Teixeira says, the subject “symbolizes the out-of-touchness … the sort of cultural boutique outlook that people think is just weird.”… the “idea that … there’s no friggin’ difference between a biological man and a biological woman just doesn’t play….. Abortion is another issue on which the Democrats miscalculated.…..unable or unwilling to accept any limits. “So basically we’re talking about up until the time the baby pops out, right? We know from the data that that’s not what most voters feel. They’re very nervous about abortions in the last trimester.”

    https://ilyashapiro.substack.com/p/confessions-of-a-reformed-nevertrumper

    Shapiro nails the main reason to vote for Trump:

    “Trump’s authoritarian rhetoric isn’t good for civic health, but the Democrats are so institutionally bad that it was imperative to remove their hands from the levers of executive power. In other words, the illiberal takeover of the Democratic Party threatened the rule of law more than anything that came out of Trump’s mouth….. Our checks-and-balances are designed to minimize Trump’s idiosyncratic excesses but have proven powerless to push back against the growth and centralization of progressive-oligarchical government”

    addendum- “The happiest man in the USA this week was Donald Trump. The happiest woman was Jill Biden.”

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  14. Ekosj Member
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    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings  +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.   
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.   

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  15. Spin Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.

    Where do you find these stats?  

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  16. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    Spin (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.

    Where do you find these stats?

    Not at Whitehouse.gov…nor MSNBC…nor CBS…nor NPR….nor ABC…nor NBC…

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  17. Macho Grande' Coolidge
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Knotwise the Poet (View Comment):

    Why should they try to understand!? You don’t need to understand how Nazis think or why they think the way they do? You’re just supposed to fight them!

    A lot of people just cannot conceive of the idea that a rational person might consider Trump the better option when electing someone as president out of the choices they were given.

    They should try to understand because it might help them win the next election. But…ya know!

    I’m not sure Jen’s the person to be giving other people definitions of what an “error” is, or really, speaking to people, generally, should be avoided, by her.

    Long walk.  Short pier.  That kind of thing.

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  18. Ekosj Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.

    Where do you find these stats?

    The St Louis Fed runs a user friendly data aggregation website called FRED

    Inflation numbers:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL

    average hourly earnings:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000011

    You have to do a little arithmetic  but the raw data is there   (And much much more)   

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  19. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.

    “Not a thing comes to mind.”

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.

    “Not a thing comes to mind.”

     

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  21. Henry Racette Member
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    I’ve moved around more than is prudent and sensible. (That and raising six kids are the reasons I’ll probably never be able to retire — not that I want to.) I’ve lived in New York, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Florida, Texas, and Ohio. I’ve lived in cities, towns, suburbs, and rural farmland.

    In the vast swath of non-urban America where I’ve spent most of my life there are an awful lot of people who don’t care much about politics, who are lifelong Democrats or lifelong Republicans, who go to church or don’t but don’t sneer at people who do, who drive pickup trucks and own guns, who raised kids — and who have basic common sense. Sense enough not to vote for someone who has a history of radicalism that she sort of half disowns, who is obviously desperate to avoid the press, who can’t or won’t answer a simple question, and who appears to have no accomplishments and no qualification save that of occupying an office thanks to her possession of melanin and a vagina.

    This was a common sense election. The mystery, if there is one, is how our cities manage to function at all.

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  22. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I’ve moved around more than is prudent and sensible. (That and raising six kids are the reasons I’ll probably never be able to retire — not that I want to.) I’ve lived in New York, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Florida, Texas, and Ohio. I’ve lived in cities, towns, suburbs, and rural farmland.

    In the vast swath of non-urban America where I’ve spent most of my life there are an awful lot of people who don’t care much about politics, who are lifelong Democrats or lifelong Republicans, who go to church or don’t but don’t sneer at people who do, who drive pickup trucks and own guns, who raised kids — and who have basic common sense. Sense enough not to vote for someone who has a history of radicalism that she sort of half disowns, who is obviously desperate to avoid the press, who can’t or won’t answer a simple question, and who appears to have no accomplishments and no qualification save that of occupying an office thanks to her possession of melanin and a vagina.

    This was a common sense election. The mystery, if there is one, is how our cities manage to function at all.

    Bill Maher: “For months Democrats have been saying, ‘How is this even close?’ and they’re right, it wasn’t,” 

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  23. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    there is also the 4 years of FJB and Harris – the inflation, open border, attack on US energy production, Afghanistan debacle, crime, DEI, law fair, the FBI overreach, the cover of up Hunter antics/Biden Inc ….

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  24. Macho Grande' Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Average earnings vs inflation:

    Obama 8 years

    Earnings + 19.24%
    Inflation +15.0%
    Net gain 4.24% over 8 years

     

    Trump

    Earnings +15.15%
    Inflation +7.8%
    Net Gain 7.315%

     

    Biden/Harris

    Earnings +18.47%
    Inflation + 19.9%
    Net Loss – 1.4%

    Regular Americans did better under Trump than under Obama and MUCH better than under BidenHarris.
    AND under Trump they were respected and not called bitter clingers, deplorables or fascist garbage.

    Where do you find these stats?

    The St Louis Fed runs a user friendly data aggregation website called FRED

    Inflation numbers:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL

    average hourly earnings:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000011

    You have to do a little arithmetic but the raw data is there (And much much more)

     

    Or build your own fun graphs!  See the red dash and dot line at the bottom? That’s federal spending, about 4 trillion/year prior to the pandemic.  Spike up then, and hasn’t dropped since, because, y’know, we’re still fighting Covid to the tune of an additional 2 trillion per year.

    Top line in green is read GDP, gov’t spending is a component of it, and you can see that the GDP line, post-Covid and recovery, the growth, is largely in gov’t spending.

    There’s a lot more at Fred, including the tables, it’s a great site.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1A5qK

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