Abortions, Abortions and more Abortions!

 

Before I ever set foot in this country, I viewed America as the land to be for anyone who values liberty. Even more so, to me, America was the apex of the civilized world. Then, after my first month on an American college campus, I learned about “women’s right to choose.” It turned out that Americans kill babies on an industrial scale. Talk about culture shock!

As November 5th approaches, all I see on TV are pro-abortion ads. Granted, I only watch 30 minutes of TV in the breakroom at work each day, but that’s still one too many. What’s with Democrats and abortion? What about the women who vote on the basis of it? Do they have nothing to worry about besides abortion? Economic security? Physical safety? Or even world peace? It’s all abortions, abortions, and more abortions. Do they have no agency over their own bodies at all? It’s like an obsession with them.

In Angkor, at Vrah Vishnuloka temple, more commonly known as Angkor Wat, the bas-relief of Judgment of Yama: Heaven and Hell, there is a short scene of abortion being carried out as well as images of women who had abortions being tortured in the last level of hell. Khmer belief holds that a fetus is not developing into a person; rather, he is already a person as the soul enters at the moment of insemination. And his soul, which has his individual identity—not just his mother’s flesh but a unique life—along with all of his characteristics, even if they have yet to manifest, and his past karma. Abortion thereby halts the soul’s progression, and that is against God; Vishnu is known as “the protector of the future infant.”

If you think this is just a religious mumbo jumbo, because of course I had been told by feminist classmates that exact thing, go 270 miles south of Angkor to Phnom Penh, at Tuol Sleng museum, formerly Khmer Rouge’s S-21 prison, where a picture of a female prisoner holding her baby hung in a room. Do you know how that baby was killed? By having his head bashed against the tree as bullets were too precious to waste. And he was not the only baby to be killed this way; many, many more babies met this same end. Tell me, is there a difference between a Democrat advocating for abortion—even abortion at and after birth—and the Khmer Rouge murdering a newborn child? After all, the killing is done in pretty much the same way.

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  1. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Excellent observations.  I remember that one of the bumper stickers frequently seen back in the 70s read, “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”

    Well, men still can’t get pregnant but somehow abortion has become a sacrament.

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  2. Doctor Robert Member
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    You have identified the fundamental sin of modern America, DMak.  It’s unconscionable.

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  3. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
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    If Harris does win, it will be because a substantial number of Americans have made abortion one of their highest values. And a sinful nation such as that deserves the suffering to come.

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  4. Western Chauvinist Member
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    DMak: Khmer belief holds that a fetus is not developing into a person; rather, he is already a person as the soul enters at the moment of insemination. And his soul, which has his individual identity—not just his mother’s flesh but a unique life—along with all of his characteristics, even if they have yet to manifest

    This is very close to the Catholic argument I listened to on a podcast today. It’s not even a religious argument, it’s scientific fact. Every person who ever lived started as a fertilized egg with a unique genetic identity from her mother (I use the feminine purposefully). The “embryo” is a living human organism and the point of abortion is to kill it. These are facts. 

    If things go south over the next weeks, months, years in America, it could well be divine comeuppance for the “industrial scale” abortion practices we’ve adopted thanks to Democrats — the Party of Death.

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  5. Andrew Troutman Coolidge
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    Fantastic post.

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  6. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    I can’t speak to the locally-made ads you see, DMak, but the Kamela Harris ads on this topic are blatantly dishonest.  Donald Trump is not on a crusade to ban abortion in all 50 states.  He has kind of dithered back and forth on this, but has landed on the (in my opinion, correct) position that this is a state issue and the federal government should leave it alone.  There are surely some Republicans in Congress who want a federal ban, but I think the majority believe this is and should remain a state issue.

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  7. Doctor Robert Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    I can’t speak to the locally-made ads you see, DMak, but the Kamela Harris ads on this topic are blatantly dishonest. Donald Trump is not on a crusade to ban abortion in all 50 states. He has kind of dithered back and forth on this, but has landed on the (in my opinion, correct) position that this is a state issue and the federal government should leave it alone. There are surely some Republicans in Congress who want a federal ban, but I think the majority believe this is and should remain a state issue.

    And yet we all know in our hearts that DMak and Western are right; that abortion should be illegal except to save maternal life; that a federal ban on elective abortions would be both enlightened politics and the end of the Republican party.

    We are all complicit in the sins of our neighbors, even as the Free States were in 1860.

    Abortion should be, not “safe, legal and rare” (per Bill Clinton), but rare, safe and legal in special cases.

    Something I posted three years ago remains relevant here.

    https://ricochet.com/1041752/necessary-abortions/

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    I can’t speak to the locally-made ads you see, DMak, but the Kamela Harris ads on this topic are blatantly dishonest. Donald Trump is not on a crusade to ban abortion in all 50 states. He has kind of dithered back and forth on this, but has landed on the (in my opinion, correct) position that this is a state issue and the federal government should leave it alone. There are surely some Republicans in Congress who want a federal ban, but I think the majority believe this is and should remain a state issue.

    Like slavery.

    Right?

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    And yet we all know in our hearts that DMak and Western are right; that abortion should be illegal except to save maternal life;

    Except the use of the word “abortion” for a life-saving procedure for the mother dilutes the intent behind 99.9% of abortions — which is to kill an innocent human being. Catholic hospitals and doctors are morally permitted to save the mother’s life even if it causes the death of her child, because it is not their intent to kill the child. They would be morally obligated to try to save both the mother and child if it was at all feasible.

    I think we should come up with a better term than “legal abortion” for a life-saving procedure for the mother which has the incidental effect of terminating her baby’s life.

    Otherwise, yes, we all know it’s wrong to purposely kill innocent humans. But, even a staunch pro-lifer like me knows we have to change the culture — pretty much one person at a time. More harm than good would come from Republicans adopting an absolutist (federal ban) position at this point. People need to be convinced abortion is bad for women, bad for society (including men), and especially bad for children and family formation.

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  10. Andrew Troutman Coolidge
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    Abortion is their reason to turn off their stories and get out of bed in the….afternoon.

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  11. Doctor Robert Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    More harm than good would come from Republicans adopting an absolutist (federal ban) position at this point. People need to be convinced abortion is bad for women, bad for society (including men), and especially bad for children and family formation.

    Western, this was exactly my point above (“enlightened politics”) and in the recent exchange we had on another post.

    Elective abortion IS bad for women, IS bad for society (including men), and IS especially bad for children and family formation.

    Medical Termination of Pregnancy (“MTP”) might be a moniker to use for necessary cases.   Remember that of my 8 examples, one was conducted at St Francis in Hartford, another at Mercy in Springfield, MA.  The Catholic exception clearly exists.

    Leftist comments about ectopic pregnancy and miscarriages are BS and a smokescreen.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    More harm than good would come from Republicans adopting an absolutist (federal ban) position at this point. People need to be convinced abortion is bad for women, bad for society (including men), and especially bad for children and family formation.

    Western, this was exactly my point above (“enlightened politics”) and in the recent exchange we had on another post.

    Elective abortion IS bad for women, IS bad for society (including men), and IS especially bad for children and family formation.

    Medical Termination of Pregnancy (“MTP”) might be a moniker to use for necessary cases. Remember that of my 8 examples, one was conducted at St Francis in Hartford, another at Mercy in Springfield, MA. The Catholic exception clearly exists.

    Leftist comments about ectopic pregnancy and miscarriages are BS and a smokescreen.

    Maybe it would be even better to not even refer to the “pregnancy termination.”  Maybe call it an “appendectomy” or whatever, and along the way, the pregnancy cannot be sustained.

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  13. Doctor Robert Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    More harm than good would come from Republicans adopting an absolutist (federal ban) position at this point. People need to be convinced abortion is bad for women, bad for society (including men), and especially bad for children and family formation.

    Western, this was exactly my point above (“enlightened politics”) and in the recent exchange we had on another post.

    Elective abortion IS bad for women, IS bad for society (including men), and IS especially bad for children and family formation.

    Medical Termination of Pregnancy (“MTP”) might be a moniker to use for necessary cases. Remember that of my 8 examples, one was conducted at St Francis in Hartford, another at Mercy in Springfield, MA. The Catholic exception clearly exists.

    Leftist comments about ectopic pregnancy and miscarriages are BS and a smokescreen.

    Maybe it would be even better to not even refer to the “pregnancy termination.” Maybe call it an “appendectomy” or whatever, and along the way, the pregnancy cannot be sustained.

    “Uterine evacuation”, anyone?

     

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  14. Freeven Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I think we should come up with a better term than “legal abortion” for a life-saving procedure for the mother which has the incidental effect of terminating her baby’s life.

    I’m of a similar mind. I’d toss the word legal, because laws can be changed, and it’s really the morality rather than the legality that is at the heart of it. I’d retain the word abortion, however, as it’s a reminder that an innocent life is being lost, and because any softer term can and will be abused by the Left. Perhaps “life-saving abortion” would be an improvement, though it sounds like your intent is to put the focus on the life-saving procedure rather than the abortion, which is an undesirable consequence.

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  15. Kozak Member
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    DMak: What’s with Democrats and abortion? What about the women who vote on the basis of it? Do they have nothing to worry about besides abortion?

    Abortion is the Democrats only sacrament.  It’s Holy Writ.

    Women who vote solely on the basis of abortion are the core of the current Democratic Party.  

    They would burn the entire world down as long as they could get abortions up until the 4th trimester.

    Finally. I love the commercials aimed at men, REAL men. Democratic men. Who talk about how important it is for them to ensure their daughters have an absolute, unrestricted right to abort their Grandchildren.

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  16. Kozak Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Medical Termination of Pregnancy (“MTP”) might be a moniker to use for necessary cases.   Remember that of my 8 examples, one was conducted at St Francis in Hartford, another at Mercy in Springfield, MA.  The Catholic exception clearly exists.

     

    Yeah.  Your first 2 examples really aren’t “abortions”, MTP is actually a much more accurate description..  You could save the mother without killing the infant in those cases as they are (barely) viable.

    The problem is when reasonable reasons for MTP, morph into unreasonable ones.  The “health of the mother” goes from , “she’s in danger of permanent severe injury or death” to, ” mothers emotionally upset and wants it aborted”.

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Leftist comments about ectopic pregnancy and miscarriages are BS and a smokescreen.

    30 years in the ER. And I can’t remember a single time an “emergency abortion” was needed.

    Ectopics aren’t viable. Not really an abortion. Miscarriages are Spontaneous Abortions by definition.

    Rare cases of eclampsia, but those are almost always later in pregnancy after 20 weeks, so viability is there you don’t have to murder the child to save the mother.

    I always found it interesting that I could have one woman in a room who was pregnant and wanted to abort a healthy child, and I was supposed to be casual and supportive of her decision.

    Down the hall in another room was another woman who I just had to tell she had miscarried, and watched her as she wept for her lost child.  Completely devastated.   

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  17. Old Bathos Member
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    Based on the ads, the MD and VA suburbs of DC will compete to see which region produces the first candidate to have personally performed an abortion on an undocumented trans minor. 

    The specter of  GOP Senate majority (including Larry Hogan) voting on any abortion restriction much less a federal ban is so ignorant of political reality… the Eloi showed more independence and judgment when moving to the Morloch sirens than abortion fetishists do when prompted.  The post-Dobbs reality that abortion is no longer a federal issue is not grasped by persons with a very limited understanding of civics.  Not only is Maryland still home to over 30,000 abortions a year, we are now host to an estimated 3,000 out-of-state abortion seekers. The baby-killers should be celebrating Dobbs for making their state an abortion Mecca.

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  18. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    DMak: It’s all abortions, abortions, and more abortions. Do they have no agency over their own bodies at all? It’s like an obsession with them.

    It is a strong issue for Democrats.  First, women are easy to manipulate, because they are more empathetic than men.  Not empathy for babies, but other women who feel “trapped” by pregnancy.  Second, most people are ignorant about abortion law and abortion procedures.  Most people think that overturning Roe made abortion illegal everywhere (it is legal in all states with some restrictions).   Most people think that abortion magically undoes a pregnancy, when it really is just killing and then delivering the baby. 

    All of this ignorance is because the pro-life movement, politicians, and churches have been failing to inform the people, while the abortion industry has been very busy spreading lies.  This is a cultural battle.

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  19. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Elective abortion IS bad for women, IS bad for society (including men), and IS especially bad for children and family formation.

    Right. But, the appeal I would make to women especially is that abortion pits them against their (maternal) nature. It is natural for men to — ahem — want spread their seed around, but women’s nature is to nest and nurture. There’s variability, of course, but the generalization can be made accurately and is useful to our understanding.

    Lefties claim to love nature right up until they don’t. My friend who’s worked the prayer lines outside the abortion clinic has talked to young women (there to support the patient) and pointed out that they wouldn’t eat a “conventionally” grown vegetable, but they’ll pop the Pill or RU-486 without a second thought. She phrased it more delicately, of course — probably in the form of questions.

    Abortion and contraception also set women up for sexual exploitation by irresponsible men who wish to use them and walk away. This is bad for men, too, who became (western) civilized over the centuries largely by Christian women requiring exclusivity and permanence. A man’s status became dependent upon his commitment to the protection of and provision for his family. 

    I like something @scottwilmot posted recently which is a pro-life message showing adorable, toothless babies. Most women are going to have trouble resisting that message — even the childless kitten-lovers. 

     

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  20. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    DMak: And he was not the only baby to be killed this way; many, many more babies met this same end.

    I read an article once that discussed forced abortions in China.  The article included a photo of a woman in a hospital bed with her dead child on the bed with her.  They wouldn’t discharge her until the family came up with the money to pay for the abortion.  

    And as Doctor Robert noted above, the juxtaposition between the woman seeking an abortion and a woman who has miscarried is on display in any fertility practice’s waiting room.  We are in hearts and minds territory and our culture is deeply disordered when children are viewed as commodities and not children.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    DMak: What’s with Democrats and abortion? What about the women who vote on the basis of it? Do they have nothing to worry about besides abortion?

    Abortion is the Democrats only sacrament. It’s Holy Writ.

    Women who vote solely on the basis of abortion are the core of the current Democratic Party.

    They would burn the entire world down as long as they could get abortions up until the 4th trimester.

    Finally. I love the commercials aimed at men, REAL men. Democratic men. Who talk about how important it is for them to ensure their daughters have an absolute, unrestricted right to abort their Grandchildren.

    Greg Gutfeld recently suggested they form a group, Fathers Against Grandchildren, although “the acronym would be unfortunate.”

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  22. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    As it stands, abortion is a state issue. Let each individual state finance the abortions committed within its jurisdiction. No Federal funds. 

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  23. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    As it stands, abortion is a state issue. Let each individual state finance the abortions committed within its jurisdiction. No Federal funds. 

    Why should the state pay for this?  Let Bill Gates pay for them all.

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  24. Eb Snider Member
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    Tell me, is there a difference between a Democrat advocating for abortion—even abortion at and after birth—and the Khmer Rouge murdering a newborn child? After all, the killing is done in pretty much the same way.

    Yes, there is absolutely a difference. If you haven’t learned it yet, then you have not been fully Americanized. Abortion in the USA is a commercial industry.  It’s just business for some.

    I used to be casual on this subject, but when you dig into the details you discover things. That’s partly why the Abortion issue in the USA can’t be discussed openly and honestly on a national level. There is also an organized lobby for it like other commercial industries.

     

    PS: If you are not already familiar read up on the Philadelphia Kermit Gosnell case and the defense details of the trial.

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  25. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Eb Snider (View Comment):
    I used to be casual on this subject, but when you dig into the details you discover things.

    Like the comedian once said, “abortion is just a medical procedure….where a baby is murdered.”

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  26. GrannyDude Member
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    This is the conviction, as far as I can tell, of the “feminist” left: 

    Sexual intercourse, no matter how meaningless, coerced, boring or exploitative, is worth literally killing for.  

    There is no other right that they are willing to stand up and be counted for. 

      

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    This is the conviction, as far as I can tell, of the “feminist” left:

    Sexual intercourse, no matter how meaningless, coerced, boring or exploitative, is worth literally killing for.

    There is no other right that they are willing to stand up and be counted for.

    And even there, they aren’t doing the killing themselves.

    They rely on others, especially men, to do it FOR them.

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  28. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
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    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):

    If Harris does win, it will be because a substantial number of Americans have made abortion one of their highest values. And a sinful nation such as that deserves the suffering to come.

    But she didn’t win!!! Huzzah!

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