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Important For Those Following COVID-19 Pathology (and perhaps Vaccine side effects)
This past week saw a paper published in Nature that sheds light on how the virus causing COVID-19 does damage to the body, and which aligns with much empirical evidence on symptoms. (Link to a plain English summary.)
The authors at UCSF have found that the C19 spike protein, while its primary purpose is to penetrate cell walls, has a secondary effect in binding to a protein called fibrinogen, which is an essential precursor to… blood clots. There’s an affinity between parts of the spike protein and sites along the amino acid chain in fibrinogen – an accidental bonding that’s apparently triggering the clot formation cascade just as bodily damage will do normally. The authors provide evidence for this, as well as secondary effects on inflammation and lung and brain damage. They also perform an experiment in mice using a monoclonal antibody that ameliorates these effects. This seems to be a substantial advance by a credible team, and is likely to trigger plenty of attempts to verify and advance the work.
A natural question arises: Can COVID-19 vaccines trigger the same cascade? The paper has this to say…
…we do not believe that this mechanism is related to the rare clotting complications observed with adenovirus based COVID vaccines because the production of anti-PF4 autoantibodies and ensuing drop in platelet counts are triggered by the vector rather than spike36. In general, COVID-19 RNA vaccines lead to small amounts of spike protein accumulating locally and within draining lymph nodes where the immune response is initiated and the protein is eliminated37. Consistent with the safety of the spike mRNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines prevent post-COVID-19 thromboembolic complications38 and a cohort study in 99 million COVID-vaccinated individuals showed no safety signals for haematological conditions…
The distinction being made is between dead-virus vaccines (the first case) and those using mRNA as a means to get the body to synthesize virus spike protein without any actual virus present. The latter seems reasonable, as the binding to fibrinogen will have the effect of consuming spike protein. An active C19 infection will keep producing more, but as the mRNA is consumed during the formation of spike, there’s a limited amount that can be generated. Again, I expect follow-up studies to confirm this, assuming the observed mechanism is verified by others.
Published in Science and Technology
As far as this content:
“A natural question arises: Can COVID-19 vaccines trigger the same cascade? The paper has this to say…”
What exactly is the adenovirus mentioned and its role inside the vaccine?
Also the exact opposite effects have been determined with regards to the COV vax results in several studies, which Dr McCullough has continued to refer to over the past 18 months.
The spike proteins continue to multiply and have in many subjects been found to not have decreased over any of the past years or months.
Also in the content’s last statement ” a cohort study in 99 million COVID-vaccinated individuals showed no safety signals for haematological conditions…” this could be true in part. During year one of the COV vax program it was understood that participants were in a clinical trial with up to one third of all vax recipients receiving saline material rather than spike proteins containing material. Did this powerful industry, which supposedly maintained records on who received what, select those who had not been given the real vaxxes but still had “vax recipient” as part of the record?
Also please note: Here is a science-based article of Aug 2022 referred to over at “Expose’s” website:
https://expose-news.com/2022/08/24/study-reveals-vaccinated-have-blood-abonormalities/
An Italian study published two weeks ago in the International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research (“IJVTPR”) revealed almost everyone who had been injected had abnormalities after “Covid vaccination.” In 94% of vaccinees’ blood, there was an aggregation of red blood cells and the presence of particles of various shapes and sizes.
The study began in March 2021. Using dark-field microscopy, the researchers analysed blood samples from 1,006 referred to the Giovannini Biodiagnostic Centre for various disorders after being injected with Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna mRNA “vaccines.”
The study authors noted that the “vaccines” are purported to contain at least the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2, but are known also to contain foreign particles that the many promoters of the experimental injections claimed were not in them at all. “Among those foreign components are metallic objects as demonstrated previously in this journal by Lee et al. (2022) which are confirmed in our results.”
Full article at link above.
The above is just one of many well done papers regarding the propensity of COV vaccine recipients to suffer from blood abnormalities as well as to suffer troublesome clotting problems that cannot be alleviated by taking the usual Rx meds. Additionally Dr McCullough now believes that some 50% of all who received the actual mRNA vaxxes for COVID will go on to have some type of heart problems.
Given that the COVID infection itself would have posed much less likely a risk than any healthy individual under 30 would face from being struck by lightning and killed, we have put an entire generation of young people at risk, due to the massive control the Satanic pharmaceutical forces hold over our “health agencies” and our “devoted elected servants.” On top of all the risk, there was never any efficacy to the vaccine as it was a totally worthless product.
My new senior-aged women’s group is almost all Dem women. They all got vaxxed and this spring all of them have had COVID, or tested positive for it. For many this was their 2nd or 3rd round of being COV-infected.
Two women out of 45 stood up in April to announce they have young female relatives who had symptoms of something or other for several weeks. The young women soon found out they had turbo cancers. The women asked for us to pray for their loved ones. The one granddaughter, aged 18, was dead of bone cancer just 3 weeks later. Her last weeks were spent in agony.
Sure this is “anecdotal.” But given the huge numbers of young people now incapacitated by either myo, blood clots or turbo cancers, it is part of a data set that continues to grow larger with each passing minute.
A summary generated by Grok:
(Note my characterization as ‘dead virus’ isn’t quite right. It’s a virus that has been crippled so it won’t replicate in vivo, but it does trigger protein synthesis.)
I have yet to see a credible study showing that vaccine induced spike proteins can multiply using the human cellular machinery after the consumption of the initial vaccine mRNA / virus vector, and propose and test a mechanism for this.
It may well be that a vaccine failed to prevent/suppress a C19 infection, which is a well known outcome, in which case there may be a continuing viral load and hence spike protein being generated, but that’s another thing.
If you have a source to the contrary, please provide.
Ultimately I think any argument about the COVID vaccine boils down to the fact that it doesn’t actually seem to do very much to protect you from contracting COVID.
There is no way any risks associated with the vaccine are worth it considering it doesn’t seem to protect you from contracting covid at all.
Pretty much. Unless you’re in a vulnerable population (elderly, with co-morbidities) it seems like a poor risk/reward tradeoff. There is some evidence that the vaccines may reduce the severity of cases in that population, though it doesn’t prevent them. Beyond that, unless and until there’s a true, full scale randomized clinical trial, with published data, that shows a benefit, I’d stay away.
There’s too much anecdotal evidence for risk and against effectiveness leaking through the censorship to take it on trust, and the censorship itself has to be taken as prima facie evidence of something that won’t stand the light of day. One of the reasons I’m still following this is to see just what.
ETA: I was probably always a silly idea that we’d be able to come up with a highly effective vaccine against a fast mutating, airborne RNA virus. ‘New strain’ is their middle name, and the average time to another one is a lot less than the development and evaluation time for a new vaccine. There’s a reason no one has tried to do a vaccine for the common cold…
I was 64 years old when the pandemic hit. I received the Moderna COVID mRNA vaccine and a few months later the Moderna booster. Four months later I suffered a pulmonary embolism and went to the ER because I could hardly breathe. The attack hit when I was walking downstairs to my living room. Upon examination at the hospital I was told that I had numerous blood clots in my lungs. The episode damaged the lower portion of my heart – the bundle branch – which is now out of rhythm with the upper part of the heart. Essentially I had had a mild heart attack. I had never tested positive for the COVID-19 virus either before or after the episode. I spent 4 days in the hospital and was put on blood thinners for about 6 months.
Prior to the sudden pulmonary embolism I was relatively active. One has to be when caring for an energetic, sometimes very manic autistic adult son; and am up and down the stairs frequently every day. Prior to my attack, I would occasionally walk down to my local park with my basketball to shoot hoops, chase down errant shots, do layups, and generally get a decent workout in for a couple of hours. I’m still on several other medications and on a CPAP machine at night but can no longer vigorously exercise – like playing basketball or running for any length of time without risking further damage to my heart. My cardiologist tells me that the bundle branch in my heart is not repairable. My pulmonary specialist told me about a year and a half ago that all the blood clots in my lungs have disappeared.
My son, also never tested positive for COVID. He was 27 years old when the pandemic hit.
I’m not a doctor, virologist, or a molecular biologist, so I can’t say whether there was a connection to the episode I experienced and the mRNA vaccine. I did find it disturbing though that some of the information about the new vaccines was withheld from the public even as some in the medical profession had some concerns about them including the sudden appearance of myocarditis episodes effecting younger people and athletes.
It should be noted that the UCSF campus receives generous funding from pharmaceutical firms. Universities of its caliber often receive such aid in the tens of millions of dollars.
Novartis, a pesticide manufacturer, once gave UC Berkeley some 50 million dollars to “help” its science labs out in terms of studying breast cancer. What would be the odds that such monies would see to it that very little would come about by way of a study showing that any toxins made and promoted by Novartis and then used by women would be indicators of women getting breast cancer?
RFK Jr has been noting how much corporate funding is given to universities and colleges across the USA, in such vast proportions that it probably would be easier to name major institutes of higher learning that do not receive funding from corporate giants than from those who do.
In a world where our corporate entities were truly interested in the public’s health, a well done study like the one below would have piqued the interest of the scientists employed by some corporate firm to carry out more studies with larger populations:
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1844677/v1
Persistence of S1 Spike Protein in CD16+ Monocytes up to 245 Days in SARS-CoV-2
Negative Post COVID-19 Vaccination Individuals with Post-Acute Sequalae of COVID-19
(PASC)-Like Symptoms
Bruce K. Patterson1, Ram Yogendra2, Edgar B. Francisco1, , Emily Long1, Amruta Pise1, Eric
Osgood3, John Bream4, Mark Kreimer5, Devon Jeffers6, Christopher Beaty1, Richard Vander
Heide7, Jose Guevara-Coto8,9, Rodrigo A Mora-Rodríguez8
This studt is explained to us lay people by British website “The Expose” in this manner:
“The spike protein from Covid vaccination can persist in a person’s tissues and immune cells for months after vaccination and is associated with ongoing immune system inflammation and debilitating symptoms, a new study by U.S. researchers has found.
“The study, currently in pre-print (not yet peer-reviewed), analysed blood samples from 50 vaccinated people who were suffering from persistent symptoms similar to those seen in Long Covid such as fatigue, brain fog and headache weeks or months after vaccination (an average of 105 days at time of study, ranging from 38 to 245 days). These samples were compared to blood samples from 35 vaccinated people who did not have such symptoms. None of the participants had had Covid, confirmed by antibody and T-cell tests.
“‘The researchers found significantly elevated levels of spike protein in the blood immune cells of those suffering with symptoms similar to Long Covid post-vaccination compared with those without symptoms post-vaccination. This can be seen in the diagram below: the higher levels in the right-hand patient columns compared with the left-hand control columns signify higher levels of spike protein (S1) in two different types of immune cell.'”
Full article at above link.
My comment: The article then goes on to mention that inflammation among the vaccine recipients was also noted, and was higher when compared to the control group.
There is then a discussion of how the same type of spike protein persistence occurred among those who suffered from “Long COVID” situations from having experienced the actual infection.
There is also this article that focuses on the blood analysis of a Swiss banker who was found to have increased levels of spike proteins some 18 months after his final, third injection.
https://principia-scientific.com/covid-vaccines-still-produce-spike-proteins-after-two-years/
From the above article:
The investigation that we present to you began with an intriguing publication by the former Swiss banker Pascal Najadi. SNIP an analysis of his blood revealed to him that his body continues to produce the vaccine’s spike protein more than 18 months after its last Pfizer/BioNTech injection.
Contacted, the interested party provided us with the laboratory results as well as a letter from Prof. Sucharid Bhakdi confirming that “the test results clearly indicate that Mr. Najadi is suffering from long-term irreparable effects caused by the injected mRNA product manufactured by PfizerBiontech” (see sources at the end of the article).
My comment: Bhakdi is well regarded among the pro-health, non-corporate science groups who have formed during the miserable era of Big Money Creating Deadly Protocols.
From a website detailing the credentials of these indie researchers:
After receiving his MD in Germany, between 1972 and 1977, Prof. Bhakdi pursued postdoctoral studies first at the Max Planck Institute for Immunobiology and later at the Protein Laboratory at Copenhagen University. He then took up a professorship at the Institute of Medical Microbiology at Giessen University. In 1990, Prof. Bhakdi was appointed Head of the Institute of Medical Microbiology at Mainz University, a position which he held until his retirement in 2012.
2. Research
Prof. Bhakdi’s research is described in 314 PubMed-listed publications that he authored or co-authored, many of which are highly cited. The following summary will highlight some selected major contributions.
https://doctors4covidethics.org/about-sucharit-bhakdi-md/
Do you have any evidence that this particular team, study or paper are improperly influenced by some specific contribution or other means?
Did you notice that the study provides specific evidence for C19 leading to persistent clotting as a pathology?
Two things to take notice of:
First, even if there was a study that could prove that everyone who is now suffering from an ailment they claim is COV vax-related could be proven to be mistaken, the fact remains that the COVID vaxxes provided no benefit. (Unless one counts the psychological benefit that some people felt reassured about their lives once jabbed up. Some people felt that way right until the moment they died.)
Secondly, it should be noted that in any discussion regarding COVID that purports to get to the bottom of things scientifically, the independent researchers are like David to the corporate world’s Goliath.
One thing that the corporate world depends on is that the average person out in the public is a headline reader. Of course the corporate news world understands this, and in its obsequience to the Deep State, the news world has turned most situations, no matter how important, into mere headlines.
If a person watched TV from 2020 to 2022, the headlines went from “COVID is having people in China drop dead in 5 days” to “Drastic measures like lock downs and masking up must occur or we Americans will all die in 5 days” to “Hospitals are now in over flow mode” with the continual backdrop of the daily count of how many people died in any given state.
There was never any discussion about any of this. The chances of an alternative view being presented on traditional media were nil.
Fauci awarded himself the title of “Science” and that was that. Although due to the good luck we here on ricochet possessed, we witnessed our own Peter Robinson interviewing Dr Battacharya early on. This researcher then shed needed light on how insignificant the number of serious cases of COVID actually happened to be, with the fatality count also being much less than what Corporate Talking heads were claiming.
The corporate world also relies on the fact that if they churn out more “studies” and surveys than the independent researchers do, and if they much more frequently broadcast those items across such publications like “The Lancet” or “Nature”, again in greater quantities than the indie scientists could ever hope to attain, they will win the hearts and minds of the public.
The fact that organizations like “The Lancet” will retract any indie studies if push comes to shove from Big Corporate, further ensures that the indie scientists must rely on alternative media.
Censorship saw to it that with doctors who went against the CDC and NIH protocols for COVID were stripped of their licenses, while indie researchers saw their research papers’ publication possibilities to be similar to a snowball’s time in hell.
Then the “real scientists” could announce that “everyone is one the same page with us here at AstraZenica.” (Or Pfizer. Or Moderna.)
Of course none of this would ever occur if the indie scientists had the same deep pockets as Big Pharma. If every other commercial on TV was some 2 minute presentation by Dr McCullough and his observations regarding myocarditis suffered after the COV vax, or of Steve Kirsch explaining how many elderly had to die as a result of the COV vaccine for even one elderly person to avoid being infected, the early days of the public willingly going along with all the crap that was inflicted on us would not have ever happened.
Of course as it was, all of these advantages did work in the immediate day to day realities of a “novel infection taking over the world and capable of killing us all.” But in the long term, people start to wake up.
The number of people now dubious about vaccine safety and vaccine necessity has gone from 13 to 15% up to 37%. Families whose relatives had been held hostage by hospitals and killed by COV protocols are now having their day in court. So many of us are aware of turbo cancers among young people at rates far surpassing what was the norm back in 2019. (Since young people who were healthy to begin with did not ever get COVID prior to being vaxxed up for it, Long COVID is an unlikely explanation. It is also apparent that those young people who did not get vaxxed do not get “turbo cancer.”)
We should expect to get Covid19 every year or two. It has become another part of the Common Cold family of viruses. Immunity does not last. If your body kept its immune response at peak for every disease, it would kill you.
It seem like mixing spike protein into the bloodstream is a very bad idea. Normally, the body will keep that on the surface of the lungs and things are OK. However, injecting into the arm seems to be very risky.
Even if it was a decently done, non-corporate influenced scientific study, the fact remains that young people had almost a zero chance of getting COVID. (Assuming they were healthy.)
Yet young people were mandated to get vaccinated in order to have admission to a given college or university. or to get their diploma if they were already students and were in the process of completing their education.
Young people serving in our military were also mandated to get the COV vaccines or they would be drummed out of the service.
the military kept a truly magnificent set of data on those who underwent the COV vaccination program and what the outcome for these people ended up being. The findings are horrific.
Again bear in mind the fact that for anyone under the age of 30, the chances of getting a serious infection of COVID and dying were roughly the same as being struck and killed by lightning. Also remember that to be in the military, the individual has yearly health screenings. Those who are unfit are honorably discharged. So this data base is comprised of young healthy people.
Here is the data from the US Military’s own epidemiological study as it was presented before orders were given to “augment the findings.”
Off of this link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/30/military-database-shows-alarming-increase-in-adverse-medical-conditions-after-forced-covid-vaccination/
Increase in the military service population’s serious ailments:
Heart Attacks +269%
Pericarditis +175%
Myocarditis +285%
Pulmonary Embolisms +467%
Cerebral Infarction +393%
Bell’s Palsy +319%
Guillain-Barre +250%
Immunodeficiencies +275%
Menstrual Irregularity +476%
Multiple Sclerosis +487%
Miscarriage +306%
HIV +590%
Chest Pain +1,529%
Labored Breathing +905%
[Article on the data Here]
Attorney Thomas Renz also appeared on The War Room with Steve Bannon to discuss the issues.
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Comments I selected off of Conservative Tree House:
Blind no longer January 31, 2022 7:35 am
WOW!!!!! The stats don’t lie!
I watched this episode of War Room on Friday (I never miss War Room now). It seems the rise in all cause morbidity is costing the insurance companies gazillions. The insurance companies may be the way this all gets revealed.
We can hope and pray for the truth to be revealed before millions more die from the globalists evil “Depopulate” and destroy America plan goes any further.
Given a PRC strategy in play, the US Military would have been a primary target from the get-go. The rest of us are collateral damage. Meanwhile, our ‘betters’ in the Pentagram and the government policy-making sewer formally redefine Military Readiness as service member compliance with ‘all that’ PC crapulence.
God. Help. Us.
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Midwest January 31, 2022 8:21 am Reply to DeplorableCheckIn
The spike proteins shut down the natural immunity
That’s right! The original spike protein the WUHAN lab got from Fort Detrick had an HIV protein spliced into it. If you remember Tony Fauci’s involvement back in the 1980s when HIV-AIDS began to spread. It spread through the contaminated blood supply that he knew about. The spread of HIV throughout the population was a huge boon in profits for the Pharmaceutical industries to this day, because anyone with HIV is totally dependent on pharmaceutical drugs to control their HIV from becoming full blown AIDS that would then kill them. So in a similar fashion they’ve performed the same operation in order to force the victims of their gene therapy injections who will now be totally dependent on using the drugs, pills, injections for the rest of their lives. Much more detailed than that but this is pretty much the connection between HIV and COVID-19.
VAIDS. Vaccine Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
Vaccine Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (VAIDS): ‘We should anticipate seeing this immune erosion more widely’ | Education News (educationviews.org)
I followed Dr Vladimir Zelenko’s protocol. He was one of the first to promote *early* therapeutics. Then came AFLDS, Dr Peter McCullough, the Fleming method.. etc.. These are true medical professionals who put ethics and safety before their personal inconvenience.
All these other quacks. have forever sullied their reputations, by aggressively withholding life saving treatments, and pushing poison death shots for their Big Harma sponsors…
“Gov Newson shown on national tv with Magic Johnson; NEITHER masked.”
That is a feature, not a bug, of Democrats such as CA Gov Newsom:
April 2, 2020 California Governor Newsom: “Yes, We Will Use Coronavirus to ‘ReImagine a Progressive Era’ There is opportunity for reimagining a progressive era as it pertains to capitalism … absolutely we see this as an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”
For Democrats COVID is an opportunity and a tool.
Val January 31, 2022 12:50 pm Reply to George Dixon
Not just Democrats. There are many Rinos just itching to finally destroy the Constitution, too.
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Ivan Awfulitch January 31, 2022 12:32 pm Reply to jwmson
jwmson, not that I need to tell you this because you already know, but I will for those who are late to class,
“It has never been about your safety or for the safety of others. It has been about making sure subjects comply”
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tonyE January 31, 2022 8:13 pm Reply to jwmson
Pretty much similar down here in The OC, SoCal.
Even at CVS, where they have a sign, “masks required” you can waltz in, no mask, and NOBODY will bother you. Sure, many wear a mask , and there’s a line to get the mRNA shot boosters….
Costco is funny. You gotta wear a mask to walk in, but take five steps in and take it off. Plenty of people do it.
Interesting note… the Chinese all wear masks ( we got lots of Chinese immigrants down here ). As a rule of thumb, the Asian were masks… even when we go to the Japanese and Korean supermarkets. I don’t, they don’t bug me. I mean, it’s like they don’t care.
It’s only a matter of time before the Asians stop wearing masks too.
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MO Pragmatist January 31, 2022 8:08 am
“These vaccines will save lives. Period. They are safe. They are effective.” Ever heard the term “truer words have never been spoken”? Well, these are falser (is that a word?) words being spoken by the pResident and his DoD Secretary What’s His Name! Figures don’t lie but liars figure. These figures contain only and all of the adverse reactions to the “vaccine” (I use the word lightly) of all military personnel. Granted, there are some members who may not be in the best shape, but, on the whole, the military is far healthier than the general public. And just remember Leroy Jethro Gibbs’ Rule No. 39; “There is no such thing as a coincidence”!
Here is one other point: there are two different types of blood clots that are noticed among those who suffer from such.
One is a type of blood clot that is significant enough that it can be detected by Cat scans or MRI tests.
The other is of a different type, wherein the capillaries are flooded with spike proteins and are then shut down. To detect this type of blood clot, then a d-Dimer test must be done. It must be done within a small amount of time after the individual has gotten their vaccine. (A week or so afterwards.)
Dr Charles Hoffe discusses this second type of clotting situation, which he has observed among his own patients:
https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/
The headline is unfortunate, but the info in the article is enough to give a person pause.
In your excellent description of the adenovirus, it is stated from quoted material that:
It has been proven over the last 18 months that the genetic material can indeed integrate into the human DNA. The person who patiently walked me through how this is accomplished is someone with the nom de plume of jikkyleaks who posts on twitter. This person is very respected in the tiny world of specialists who deal with the inner working of cells, molecular biology etc.
It was an extremely complicated explanation, involving understanding transfection, lipid nano particles and more. My brain was able to hold the contents of the explanation for about a week, after which time I needed to re-read the whole damn explanation. (Somewhere on my hard drive I have the whole explanation. I have no idea if I can find it or not.)
also
An article from an Australian news outlet “The Spectator” as well as a tweet about it reveals the significance of discovering that there was DNA contamination in certain batches of the mRNA vaccines.
“Other scientists soon confirmed McKernan’s findings, though the amount of DNA contamination was variable, suggesting inconsistency of vial contents depending on batch lots. One of these scientists was cancer genomics expert Dr Phillip Buckhaults, who is a proponent of the mRNA platform and has received the Pfizer Covid vaccine himself.
“In September of this year, Dr Buckhaults shared his findings in a South Carolina Senate hearing. ‘I’m kind of alarmed about this DNA being in the vaccine – it’s different from RNA, because it can be permanent,’ he told those present.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/scientists-shocked-and-alarmed-at-whats-in-the-mrna-shots/
McKernan, who has 25 years’ experience in his field, ran the experiment again, confirming that the vials contained up to in his opinion, some 18-70 times more DNA contamination than the legal limits allowed by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
In particular, McKernan was alarmed to find the presence of an SV40 promoter in the Pfizer vaccine vials. This is a sequence that is, ‘…used to drive DNA into the nucleus, especially in gene therapies,’ McKernan explains. This is something that regulatory agencies around the world have specifically said is not possible with the mRNA vaccines.
SNIP
‘There is a very real hazard,’ he said, that the contaminant DNA fragments will integrate with a person’s genome and become a ‘permanent fixture of the cell’ leading to autoimmune problems and cancers in some people who have had the vaccinations. He also noted that these genome changes can ‘last for generations’.
My comment: if this is the case, it means a certain amount of the COV vaccines that the public received had this problem, not that all the vaccines did.
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I have no beef with the UCSF study’s finding of blood clotting outcomes resulting from the COVID 19 infection. That seems to be a finding that medical people and individuals have been noting all along and it is good to have study demonstrating the mechanism for how this happens.
My beef comes from the researchers announcing a separate thesis, one which they did not undertake in an actual study to the effect that they stated:
Consistent with the safety of the spike mRNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines prevent post-COVID-19 thromboembolic complications38 and a cohort study in 99 million COVID-vaccinated individuals showed no safety signals for haematological conditions…
There is just too much evidence to the contrary. (As noted in some of my prior replies to you.)
An adenoviral vector will provide DNA to produce protein, and will continue to produce protein in that cell until the cell dies. It is fairly persistent, but it does not replicate (only the initial cells infected will produce the spike)
mRNA is degraded faster, but it is not really “consumed” when making protein. mRNA can be translated into proteins multiple times.
I’d be curious if this effect is seen more or less with Novovax (a purified spike protein, like TDaP)
From what I understand, the vaccine is not designed to be injected into the bloodstream, but injected into tissue. I’ve been wondering if the reports of side effects are related to accidental injections into the bloodstream.
How many anecdotes does it take to make a meaningful statistic? Reminds me of that old saying attributed to Stalin:
The death of one man is a tragedy; the death of millions is a statistic.
If Stalin was still around, he might add “And statistics don’t count in the USA unless they are bandied about the news networks 24/7.”
Which apparently is just not going to happen with stats related to COV vax injuries and fatalities.
No one cares if they get a cold like disease- which COVID is often like after the vaccine-but for many people with underlying problems (elderly, diabetes, obesity, hypertension etc- which includes more than 40% of American adults) getting full blown COVID (ie w/o the vax) can be a problem.
Vaccines for fast onset respiratory diseases rarely prevent “getting” the infection- but they do prevent severe outcomes- which is much, much more important.
The vaccine is “worth it”for the vast majority of Americans-particularly early in the pandemic when there was little to no natural immunity -despite all the anti-vaxxer nonsense about clotting problems from the vax, the risk of thrombosis related problems is lower after the vaccine than after a COVID infection-and that has been repeatedly demonstrated in multiple studies.
https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/covid-19-vaccines-reduce-risk-heart-attacks-strokes-2024a1000e9b?ecd=wnl_tp10_daily_240804_MSCPEDIT_etid6717453&uac=297191CJ&impID=6717453&sso=true
Oh goody. I’ve got Carol posting as if this is a pro-vaccine article, and MiMac going after me for being anti-vax. I just love
strawmenrational debate.LOL
I had the same thought.
I’m not going to quote the whole thing because it’s already up there.
What I’m going to say is this:
There is no rational cost benefit analysis for young people to get the vaccine. There’s no cost benefit analysis for middle-aged people to get the vaccine. There might be an argument for people who are in a high-risk group.
You cannot link to any study to prove to me anything about the effectiveness of the covid vaccine. The reason for that is the government lied about its effectiveness from day one. They continue to lie about its effectiveness for months. I no longer will believe anything said by anybody in support of the vaccine because it has been lied about so much. You posted a link to a study. Prove that study is not a pile of lies.
Especially a study coming out of the UK.
The medical establishment lied and lied and lied and lied and lied about everything having to do with covid-19. I will not believe anything that they have to say ever again about covid-19 . And to be honest, I’m pretty unlikely to believe anything they have to say about any vaccine or disease or anything else for the rest of my life. There is zero reason to trust a medical establishment who actively suppressed other doctors and other researchers who disagreed with a narrative. The narrative was a lie. They knew it was a lie and they went with it anyway.
Personally, I think anybody trusting them is a fool.
This does not mean I am against the old vaccines that actually worked as vaccines. You take a measles vaccine and you don’t get measles. That’s a vaccine.
The covid-19 vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting covid. You get it anyway and just say that it would have been much worse when you got sick. Frankly flies in the face of all of the people who have gotten covid who had the vaccine and got very sick. Or the fact that covid is doing what every other disease does and becoming less dangerous over time. No, there’s no evidence that having the vaccine. Does anything at all for you. And there is evidence that this novel vaccine may cause problems and young people.
So you go get yourself vaccinated. Get your booster every 2 weeks or whatever it is they recommend. I’m never going to take one of those again and I will like to make sure my family never takes one of those again. And I’m sorry any of us were injected by it in the first place.
The observations cited by the authors seem dubious at best. If the spike protein is binding to fibrinogen, antibody formation to PF4 are not necessarily relevant to the pathogenicity of the Spike protein. Antibody formation to PF4 I don’t believe is what produces clots but the binding of spike protein to fibrinogen induces the clotting. Speculating that the Spike protein is sequestered by lymph nodes and destroyed also seems dubious. Agents are included in the vaccines to assure that the mRNA coding for the spike protein are widely distributed in the body and have prolonged action, specifically, lipid nano particles to provide wide distribution of the mRNA through the body and N1 methylpseudouridine employed to prolong injected mRNA function. The long term fate of mRNA in cells is unknown. It is possible that reverse transcriptase may act to incorporate spike protein coding in to cellular DNA, possibly even in germ cells, raising a concern for inter generational transmission of spike protein. It isn’t really clear in which cells the spike proteins are made but after vaccination the mRNA particles are found in liver, bone marrow and ovaries. Also it is estimated that in about 1 in 800 injections, the vaccine is injected directly into the blood stream, so vaccine particles can be distributed throughout the body, apparently even crossing the blood brain barrier to enter the CNS. A report out of Australia showed that mENA lipid nano particles are distributed throughout the body , including lymph nodes, spleen, and bone marrow. The same report also showed spike proteins in the bloodstream for up to 14 days following vaccination.
It seems that the comments of these researches do not concord with what is known about the vaccines.
Remember, this is the journal Nature. The journal that published the smears Fauci and Collins perpetrated against those ‘fringe’ scientists, Battacharya, Kulldorf, and Gupta (arguably the top epidemiologists on the planet) after their promulgation of the Great Barrington declaration.
I would take this article with the amount of salt required to cure a Smithfield ham. That is before reading it. So I’ll try to do that when time permits.
Why did the researchers who were the authors of the UCSF study find it necessary to muddy the waters by inserting the following commentary??
“In general, COVID-19 RNA vaccines lead to small amounts of spike protein accumulating locally and within draining lymph nodes where the immune response is initiated and the protein is eliminated37. Consistent with the safety of the spike mRNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines prevent post-COVID-19 thromboembolic complications38 and a cohort study in 99 million COVID-vaccinated individuals showed no safety signals for haematological conditions…”
That is not what their study looked at. (In the legal world, the judge would say, “Your client opened the door to this discussion the moment they started in on the notion of the vaccines being safe.”)
But many people feel that the entire COVID hoax was about the programs to go ahead and do as Bill Gates urged us “have all 7 billion people on the planet get vaccinated.”
I know some people did have a serious case of COVID and did then end up with blood clots.
However I am still waiting for the all important survey that shows that for people who did not live in Western societies, especially for those living in African, Asian and Pac Rim nations where people feeling slightly ill then run out to the local convenience stores and buy over-the-counter HCQ, there were few serious cases of COVID. It is in the serious cases that one has to worry about blood clots, chronic fatigue, brain fog and/or heart issues. And those serious cases occurred in our Western societies where HCQ w/ zinc, ivermectin, hi vitamin regimens and even early treatment were all banned.
In that one province in India, where ivermectin use was encouraged as a prophylactic for that region’s 270 million people, relatively few people had COVID. (Until some bought and paid for official came in and insisted on people getting COVID vaxxed. Then the same problems began to show up there.)
Yes, do try reading the paper. You are reacting to a small fraction of the summary, which mostly tells you what they did not test.