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Binary Option: Anyone on the Public Right Publicly Not Supporting Trump is Supporting Harris
The simple binary outcome of this election is that either Trump or Harris will win. What we have, again, is many on what I am calling the Public Right declaring Trump unfit for office or that they will not vote for him. This helps Harris get elected. There is no squirming out of that. They can say they are being principled all they want to. It does not matter. They can sleep soundly at night, knowing their principles dictated helping Harris, who in theory, stands against everything in which they believe, win.
Thus, I will lay part of the blame for a Trump loss at the feet of the Public Right who did not support him. These include all the Never Trumpers at NRO, and anyone with any voice, any sense of public communications. In the battleground states, a few votes may make the difference. Those few votes could well be swayed by hearing the anti-Trump Public Right come around to supporting Trump.
It is clear to me that those not supporting Trump on the Public Right just don’t care. They don’t care what Biden has done to the nation, they don’t care what Harris will do. It’s all OK. No worries. All that is important is they feel good about themselves. Ironically, this is just like the voters on the left. All that matters to them is feeling good about themselves.
Maybe the anti-Trump Public Right is not so on the Right after all.
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Since we need everyone to win, how does the other side think they will win in the future by pissing off Trump supporters now? Far too many insults have been tossed our way by pundits, politicians, and Republicans. How will they win by normalizing only voting if one’s preferred candidate wins?
Republican Party, not you personally.
It is kinda like standing athwart history sitting this one out.
I think he would actually be consistent and say that “not voting for Haley is the same as voting for Harris”. He might also say that the differences between Harris and Haley are fewer and less than the differences between Harris and Trump.
It’s more like scales in balance. One hundred votes — imagine votes have mass — on each side with the sides representing Trump and Harris. Take one from Trump and picture what happens.
Most haters will hate anyone who promotes our policies and beats them. I will not base my vote on drying to appease the left. I want to destroy and bury their cancerous ideology in the ash heap of history.
In that case the OP title should have been, “Binary Option: Anyone who voted for Trump before and is publicly not supporting Trump now is Supporting Harris.”
Bingo
I’d say the opposite about the differences, but that’s a different post. We disagree about that, but that’s fine.
I’m afraid I don’t agree with you either about Bryan’s consistency. I suspect that if Haley had been nominated, the “binary choice” would disappear. Which is fine, by the way – people should vote or not vote as they see fit. I will.
You actually think that Trump and Harris are less different than Haley and Harris?
No analogy is perfect, so you may feel free to nitpick.
OK, let’s do it. You said “take one from Trump.” How do you decide who is in the “from Trump” category? Is Chuck Schumer in that category?
You are absolutely right, given the position we are in.
But…
We shouldn’t be in this position. Given the state of world affairs and the domestic economy plus immigration, we should be running away with this. And it’s my contention that with one of several other candidates at the head of the ticket we would be. But no. Early in the process any rational, evidence based discussion of the Trump presidency and his election prospects was stymied by the Only Trump crowd who wanted to make themselves feel better about their singleminded loyalty to Trump. They put aside any consideration of what might be best for America. They put aside what Trump’s actual record looks like. They dismissed the fact that he is held in contempt by large swathes of the electorate. It was Trump or bust…largely to prove to themselves that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.
So yeah…given where we are you are right. But we shouldn’t be here in the first place and it’s the Only Trump faction that brought us here.
Trump is not a category. The point of my comment was to illustrate simply the effect of not voting for Trump. It is not a vote for Harris, but can effectively give her the Presidency. But if you want to play silly word games, go ahead and play . . . with yourself.
I was not the person who came up with the mathematical formula with undefined terms. Following the lead of the OP, I’d say it’s a binary. If you didn’t denounce that formula for its undefined terms, you support it.
Yes. But that’s a whole other subject…
As usual, you wrap yourself up in misunderstanding. I said nothing to dispute that the choice is binary. I was attempting to address the idea that not voting for Trump is a vote for Harris, a point I don’t agree with. If you don’t find my analogy persuasive, then ignore it. I don’t care to waste time discussing your nonsense about undefined terms.
I don’t blame you. Maybe we’ll have to wait for the inventor of the mathematical formula with undefined terms to deal with it.
No it would still exist. The contrast is much less in some ways. I suspect Harris would be further ahead. Haley appeals to a small amount of suburban republican voters. It isn’t clear to me that those are the significant factor in this election. Additionally she would be I suspect stronger on the pro-life side, which I would be in favor of, thus the abortion issue would be more of a wedge against her than it is against Trump. Elite Republicans love Haley but she has a pretty limited appeal outside of that group.
It is a binary choice because Harris is actively lying about her positions. She is going to rule as the most left wing president in US history. Here is what the NT right is endorsing by endorsing Harris:
For all these reasons. It should be very hard for a so called conservative to vote for Harris. Essentially you have made a prudential calculation to accept all of this to settle an internal political score.
There are those that say because of J6 we can’t allow Trump to ever be president again. This might have been a fair argument before seeing the 4 years of the Biden-Harris administration. I would argue that what we have seen in terms of weaponization of the administrative state against disfavored political opponents is far more dangerous to the United States than J6 ever was.
You left an important item out of your list: 13. Continued inflation to make the rich richer and the unrich poorer.
I did not insult anyone. I stand by it. I believe that many on the Public Right are more interested in voting their feelings than the good of the country.
Well, I did not say that. I said that the Public Right being against Trump supports Harris. I did not mention voting.
I would, however say to anyone, that if you wanted Niki to win, then you should support her, same as for Trump.
Nope. Not talking about votes. I am talking about people of the Public Right, i.e. pundits, political types, journalists, and so forth.
Above I have spelled out I would be totally consistent.
Now your choices are to admit you were wrong in your mind reading or to call me a liar.
Which is it going to be, Jean?
Maybe the anti Trump Public Right is not so on the Right after all.
Maybe the problem lies with your definition of “the Right.” The term actually covers a wide range of opinions, some in obvious opposition to others. It has always been that way.
I suspect your defintion of “the Right” can be summed up as, “Whatever Trump thinks.”
Having said that, there truly are some whose hatred of Trump caused them to dump all their previous conservative principles. I have very little regard for them.
No.
It is the GOP and the Public Right who got us here. Three decades of taking the social conservatives for granted. Three decades of making promises they had no intention of keeping. Three decades of defeat after defeat. Even when the GOP held the House, the Senate, and the White House, they were unable to close the border.
No, this is not the fault of “Only Trump”. This is the fault of their betters, who have long made promises they failed to keep. Long taken them for granted. They plowed the fields. They planted the seeds. They provided the fertilizer and water. And they are appalled with their harvest. The GOP had decades to follow through. It failed. Now there is Trump.
Oh, and by the way, part of so many people hating Trump? Well, the GOPe and the Against Trump(tm) Public Right have done their best to make him hated. Instead of defending him, instead of supporting him, they attacked him.
For instance National Review is Against Trump, despite the fact he was the most conservative administration since Reagan. Imagine if the Public Right had pulled behind Trump like they did Bush.
You are doing a lot of mind reading here. I wish I could be as good at it.
No, what I mean is that the Anti Trump Public Right, who espouses conservative ideals, is in fact supporting someone who is, as Raxxalan put it:
I question anyone claiming to be a conservative or on the political right who is supporting these 12 things. Heck, I support things to the right of Trump. He is just he most conservative person in the race.
This is true. And I understand the impulse. It explains 2016. But there were other, better, solutions than Trump in 2024. But Only Trump had the bit in their teeth and here we are. We got stampeded by lawfare I to circling the wagons around Trump. The Left WANTED to run against Trump. The bait and switch with Biden was already in the works (Who decided on the pre-convention debate)
Going to vote straight Rep regardless. Hoping for the best.
But it didn’t have to be this way.
Except it’s not just you voting, it’s millions of people. And if you’re as good at math as you claim to be, you should be able to understand that not voting for Trump represents a +1 vote net change, as one vote for Harris was not cancelled out; while actually voting FOR Harris INSTEAD OF Trump represents a +2 vote change, since it takes away a vote FOR Trump AND adds a vote FOR Harris. A total shift of 2, not just 1.