A Brief Glance Back at an Epochal Event in Ancient Times

 

The sacking of Carthage (149 B.C.)? No.

The fall of Constantinople (1453 A.D.)? No.

No, an event in our more modern history, way back in the mists of time: July 13, 2024. We recently marked the one-month anniversary of the date on which the former President of the United States came within 0.39 of an inch of having his brains spattered all over the podium by a bullet fired by a “lone actor”, the result of the now worn and tattered Deep State credo, “Mistakes were made.”

In a sane world, this attempt to assassinate the former President—hopefully the next President—would by now be the subject of exhaustively researched investigative reports by journalists who see such a project as their main chance for a Pulitzer Prize. A few hurriedly-written books would have already hit the shelves; NPR and others would have produced at least one, or more, carefully researched and magnificently produced documentaries on what we would be told by the corporate media, ad nauseam, was an epochal moment in American history. All of these gravely concerned members of the Fourth Branch would have opined that we came within an inch—literally—of civil war and the end of America as we have known it.

Every one of those outcomes would have started immediately after 6:12 pm on July 13, 2024, had the protectee of the arguably criminally negligent Secret Service been the Democrat nominee and quite likely any Republican nominee not named Donald J. Trump.

Every single American with a sentient mind knows, or should know, that this is true and every single American also knows that if you dare say it, you will immediately be branded, by one, if not all, of Hillary’s favorite insults for even wondering whether something more than “mistakes were made” in Butler, PA one month ago. In preparing to comment on these questions, I knew I would have to do my due diligence; go back into the reporting over the past few weeks to try to determine where these reports appeared, under whose auspices they were published, etc., to assure that I did not appear to be just another angry Trump supporter howling helplessly at The Swamp and its creatures. To be clear, I am, indeed, very angry at what has happened (and at what has not happened) and I am as open as I know how to be about being a vociferous and vocal  Trump supporter.

As a lifelong lawyer in the trenches, I am deeply dedicated to the rule of law and the rule of equal justice under the law and I am sickened by what I see as the constant violation of that age-old protection. There can be no better demonstration of unequal, biased, prejudicial treatment of an individual and an incident than the almost total vacuum of wide coverage of the attempt on President Trump’s life over a month ago.

So here are a few observations of my own and others about, as one title referred to it, “The Shot Ignored Around the World,”  in an attempt to offer as objective an analysis as possible of why this monumentally important moment in history has been consigned to the memory hole. I note, in the interest of accuracy, that the following is based on searches on several different platforms as of late August 17, 2024. I also note, for what it’s worth, that new developments keep occurring every day so that by the time this is published there could easily be several more “bombshells” the very next day. For example, while not directly related to July 13, but definitely bearing on the questions of competence swirling around the agency at this time, it was reported a few days ago by Susan Crabtree of Real Clear Politics that an agent abandoned her post at a Trump rally to breastfeed her baby with no permission or warning to the site agent. And the hits, as they say, just keep on coming.

One of the more obvious facts seen when examining this inexplicable security failure is that there has been a great deal of excellent reporting on July 13, the vast majority of which has been done in the world of new digital journalism, independent investigative reporters in online publications (or their own blogs), not—repeat not—the corporate media. Those outlets seem to be spending their time glowingly promoting the “joy” of the Harris-Walz campaign, while more and more Americans are having trouble making ends meet.

The disparity in the way the press has treated the near-murder of a former President and the murder of an American citizen is amply illustrated in this post, The Shot Ignored Around the World: It’s Been One Month Since Trump Was Shot:

I’m not saying that the deep state sent the human sewage who took a shot at Trump. I will say I find it odd that the shooter trained at the same range as some feds from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS). I also find it noteworthy that the shooter appeared in a Black Rock ad.

I’m concerned that we haven’t heard much about the shooter, not to mention those alleged three encrypted accounts that no one is talking about anymore. If he had been wearing a MAGA cap, I suspect we would know his credit score and sperm count by now, but since he was shown to be a “lone wolf” leftist, facts are few.

A very thoughtful post on Substack, The Sins of Omission, goes into some depth on the reasons for the “disappearing” of this story and the apparently deliberate avoidance of uncovering any facts detrimental to the narrative:

For us, an attempted assassination of a Presidential candidate was a very big story. It’s an important story that says important things about the divisions in US society, and perhaps too about which side of those divisions is the side prone to violence and irrational behaviour. It might tell us, to some extent, which side are more innately fascistic, if for example a significant number of those people celebrate an assassination attempt or lament its failure. It might tell us which side are prone to delusions, if for example a third of them insist that the event we all saw unfold and can easily research was staged by its intended victim.

For those of us who are aware that the mainstream media apply focus only where it suits them, that assassination attempt raises a whole flurry of questions that require exactly the kind of continuing discussion and assessment that is not happening.

Some of those questions pertain to the media itself. We might note for instance that CNN had enforced a policy on itself of not reporting on Trump rallies, of ignoring these events as if the levels of support for a Presidential nominee from a main party, the things he is saying, and the enthusiasm of his backers do not matter in an election year.

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But interestingly, the rally at which he was almost murdered was a rally CNN broke their reporting embargo for. It was a rally where several anti Trump mainstream outlets sent reporters to, contrary to their usual policy of deliberately ignoring these rallies.

Surely just an odd coincidence, that.

The author then heads into territory that may be (will be) termed conspiracy theories by the Trump haters (99.999% of the corporate media) who are simply terrified at the mere possibility that the public might someday get actual answers to these questions which I feel are entirely reasonable:

It can’t be that these Trump-hating media organisations were expecting something particularly dramatic and interesting at this particular rally, sufficient to break their usual embargo, and sufficient to justify filming it all with….should we say, anticipation?

This of course is the territory of ‘conspiracy theory’. God forbid the idea that media organisations that have lied about everything and tried to encourage Trump’s assassination for years would also have some foreknowledge of a likely attack and a salivating desire to film his head being blown off.

What a ridiculous idea. Can you imagine the level of corruption and hate that would entail? Thank goodness we don’t live in THAT reality, but rather the one where no western liberal democracy would encourage assassinations, conduct them, or adjust security to make them easier. No sirree.

Even more reassuringly, we live in a reality where the media are simply the impartial and objective reporters of established facts, who do not routinely lie, and who do not have insanely vicious hatreds of a specific individual. No, no, honestly, we do (stop snickering at the back there).

Rowing back from these dark conspiratorial waters, we can say this much. An assassination attempt on Donald Trump is a huge story. It’s not a story that should completely disappear in three weeks, not unless it’s followed a week later by a nuclear war.

It’s a YUUGE story.

In an article entitled It’s Becoming Clear That Trump Is The Bait In The Regime’s Crab Trap the author had this to say:

…. simple incompetence cannot explain what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, and what happened there was a lot more sinister than that.

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Cheatle also said that the recordings of the radio chatter from the Secret Service on that day are not available. Apparently those recordings have been destroyed. If you understand the concept of spoliation of evidence, as a legal presumption when you destroy evidence it’s to be taken as though that evidence would have been damaging to your cause. And if the Secret Service destroyed the recordings of that radio chatter we can assume there were things on those recordings which would not be beneficial to the Secret Service. (Emphasis mine)

A government agency—the one charged with keeping our leaders safe—destroyed messages from the day its agents almost allowed a former President to be murdered, and one questioning the legality and morality of that action is called a “conspiracy theorist”? Count me in.

More from that post:

And we know that the Secret Service didn’t show up for an advance run-through meeting with the other members of the security team on the morning of July 13.

Then there is the question of Secret Service agents stationed inside the AGR building while Crooks was on the roof, something which is inexplicable. The building had a metal roof; it would have been impossible not to hear him up there.

Here are a couple of questions from a card-carrying conspiracy theorist: What, exactly, was more important to the Secret Service on the morning of July 13 than attending the critically important meeting with other law enforcement officers for a run-through designed to ensure that the unthinkable would not happen? That’s their purpose, but they couldn’t be bothered to be there! How is it even possible that the Secret Service placed its agents inside the AGR building with the excuse that it was hot — 90 degrees — and the roof was slightly (very slightly) sloped? I see roofing contractors on roofs every day here in the Florida Panhandle in 100+ degree heat on very steep, not sloping, roofs. And they are not protecting the former President of the United States!

One may also legitimately ask: Where is the Secret Service officer who was in charge of the entire ill-fated debacle? From It’s Been One Month Since Someone Tried to Assassinate the Former President, and We’re Hearing Crickets:

The woman in charge of planning this debacle has been hidden away, the big boss, Kim Cheatle resigned, which means she doesn’t have to cooperate with the Inspector General’s investigation, and a month has gone by. Nada. Zilch.

One of the standard, and to me the most maddening, lines in most official investigations is “We’re still trying to determine the motive of the shooter.” This occurs often, even when the shooter was heard shouting Allahu Akbar as he fires the weapon. Sure enough, just like clockwork, here is the magic mantra in the official FBI report (emphasis mine):

The FBI is investigating the shooting incident at the July 13 rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, which resulted in one victim’s death and injuries to former President Trump and other spectators, as an assassination attempt and potential domestic terrorism.

While the investigation to date indicates the shooter acted alone, the FBI continues to conduct logical investigative activity to determine if there were any co-conspirators associated with this attack. At this time, there are no current public safety concerns.

The FBI has not identified a motive for the shooter’s actions, but we are working to determine the sequence of events and the shooter’s movements prior to the shooting, collecting and reviewing evidence, conducting interviews, and following up on all leads. We have also obtained the shooter’s telephone for examination.

Admittedly, that was published the day after the incident, so it is entirely possible that they have by now “identified a motive,” but if so, they have not bothered to share it with the American people who have an absolute right to know who was behind this 20-year-old. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether we will have that answer, but I’m not holding my breath waiting for it.

As a measure of the quality of the leadership of the Secret Service, here is the Acting Director philosophizing about the state of our world, using\ words that can only be termed (most politely) as sophomoric:

“This was a failure of imagination – a failure to imagine that we actually do live in a very dangerous world where people do actually want to do harm to our protectees,” Rowe said.

This, from the person in charge of the agency tasked with the protection and security of our highest government officials. Incomprehensible.

To close with what hopefully develops into a positive move in the right direction, Speaker Johnson has appointed a task force to investigate the shooting, and his choice of the Chair does give one reason for hope that it will be a well-organized and effective effort. Chairing the task force will be Congressman Mike Kelly, himself a native of Butler and a Member of Congress with a most impressive record. Here is what he and the ranking member, Jason Crow, had to say:

“At the end of this investigation, the American people … cannot be still wondering what happened,” Kelly said. “We’re going to have a clear answer to what happened. And whatever it is that we have to do, we’re going to do, including having some people subpoenaed.”

But the panel will have to move at a much faster pace than typical congressional investigations to produce a thorough final report by a Dec. 13 deadline.

“We only have four months here, so it’s going to be a really quick burn,” Crow said. “We’re going to have to make sure that this is accurate. Accuracy is very important here; we don’t want there to be misunderstanding. We don’t want to fuel any of these alternative theories that are flying around.”

Another very good sign that this may be the energetic investigation the public deserves was the interim report of Task Force Member Cong. Clay Higgins of Louisiana spent 3 days in Butler from August 4th through 6th, 2024. His report can be found here. Congressman Higgins represents Southwest Louisiana and was a highly regarded law enforcement officer before entering politics, reaching the rank of Police Captain.  I cannot recommend a complete reading of his report highly enough, as it is like a breath of fresh air after reading the bureaucratic gobbledegook Washington specializes in. The report contains several remarkable items but none more astonishing than this finding about the removal of the assassin’s body by the FBI without the knowledge of the Coroner:

My effort to examine Crooks’ body on Monday, August 5, caused quite a stir and revealed a disturbing fact… the FBI released the body for cremation 10 days after J13. On J23, Crooks was gone. Nobody knew this until Monday, August 5, including the County Coroner, law enforcement, Sheriff, etc. Yes, Butler County Coroner technically had legal authority over the body, but I spoke with the Coroner, and he would have never released Crooks’ body to the family for cremation or burial without specific permission from the FBI.

He also had this to say about the FBI scrubbing the scene of biological evidence, comments which take on additional weight considering his long experience as a law enforcement officer:

The coroner’s report and autopsy report are both “late.” As of Monday, August 5, they were a week late. The problem with me not being able to examine the actual body is that I won’t know 100% if the coroner’s report and the autopsy report are accurate. We will actually never know. Yes, we’ll get the reports and pictures, etc, but I will not ever be able to say with certainty that those reports and pictures are accurate according to my own examination of the body. Again, similar to releasing the crime scene and scrubbing crime scene biological evidence… this action by the FBI can only be described by any reasonable man as an obstruction to any following investigative effort. Please note, Mr. Chairman, that on J23, the day that Crooks was cremated, both the Homeland Security Committee and the Oversight Committee had begun House Committee jurisdictional investigation into J13, and Speaker Johnson had already stated that he was forming an Official Congressional investigative body. Why, then, by what measure, would the FBI release his body to the family for cremation? This pattern of investigative scorched earth by the FBI is quite troubling.

Of concern, however, is the statement of one of the members indicating they will have to rely to a certain extent on the Secret Service, an inexplicable reliance at this point:

Rep. Lou Correa (D-Calif.), a member of the task force, said the tight turnaround leaves the task force in a position of having to “trust but verify” that the Secret Service is already taking needed steps to rectify known issues.

“These candidates were out last weekend campaigning, so this stuff is happening in real time. That’s my frustration, is we don’t have time,” Correa said. “We have time to do the check, the verify, but the Secret Service has to be on it yesterday.”

One month later, we still have very few answers to questions the public is entitled to, like the following puzzle:

And then there is the fact Thomas Crooks, known by his classmates as a computer geek, had no social media. Which is a lie; he encrypted his socials. And apparently had offshore bank accounts? A 20-year-old who emptied bedpans and served pudding cups at a nursing home?

At a time when faith in our institutions like the DHS, FBI, DOJ, and now the Secret Service has hit rock bottom, it seems we must place all our hope on this task force to finally provide some answers. Without casting any aspersions on Rep. Kelly and his task force, who may well do a superlative job, the best that can be said is that, at this point, there is scant reason for optimism.

Finally, I want to point out how deeply and sadly I dislike having to express that pessimistic outlook, but it is the one logic inexorably leads me to. Would that it were not true.

God Help us.

And may God Bless America.

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  1. Jim George Inactive
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    Headedwest (View Comment):
     

    I have allowed myself to express my feelings about your comment as follows:

    :-)!   Spot on!

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  2. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    “Conspiracy” may be too specific a word for what is going on. We don’t have a term for a general culture of casual complicity, of deliberate indifference, of a shared commitment to half-a**ed execution of one’s duties.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if a miasma of contempt wafts through our institutions where Trump is concerned, and if that in turn prompts individuals who might be competent under other circumstances to phone it in, perhaps not quite admitting to themselves and each other that, shoot, how bad would it really be if something happened?

    That doesn’t require the same kind of secrecy and complicity as does what we normally consider to be a “conspiracy.” It just means a bunch of people repeatedly making less-good choices — choices that, taken individually, could be defended as perhaps not ideal but certainly not clear-cut evidence of bad intent.

    Given the track record of the alphabet agencies vis-à-vis Trump, that seems entirely plausible.

    True, but just indifference etc existed before Trump. I don’t think they would need to be MORE indifferent because of Trump, for something like this to happen. Even more than once, which could have happened considering the later example of the agent who left her post to breast-feed her baby. Why was the baby – or her, for that matter – even there?!?!? Not because they were indifferent to Trump.

    I’m not describing mere indifference, KE. I’m describing a kind of situational indifference, a tendency to underperform when he-who-must-not-be-named is the subject.

    I have no idea how competent the Secret Service is on a daily basis. What I’m suggesting is that, whatever that benchmark, it may be reduced, subtly but systemically and therefore significantly, where the orange man is concerned.

    And were that the case, then yes, it’s entirely possible that a nursing mother was part of this particular detail precisely because the staffing officer decided that, since the lady had to be put somewhere, why not let her tag along on the Trump thing? I mean, it’s not like the guy deserved the very best, right?

    Technically true, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are nursing mothers on the details for FJB and Kamala and anyone else. In fact I would be more surprised if there AREN’T.

    I think I’d be surprised if there were; neither of us knows. But, just for the sake of discussion: Can we wonder how many of those other, hypothetical nursing mothers might be inclined to excuse themselves without notifying a superior? One could imagine that “Sally,” the woman who allegedly neglected her martial duties to attend to her maternal ones, might have a reputation for unreliability in that regard, so that even amongst the nursing mothers she tends to be a low performer (in terms of her security function, not lactation).

    Anyway, we’re in the weeds. The point of my comment should be pretty clear.

    [ And once I decided that this was too weedy and needn’t be pursued further, I guess I could have deleted the “Sally,” since a pseudonym saved me no additional typing. ]

    Well, Cheatle as head of the SS was known to be prioritizing “diversity” over quality. Nursing mothers on protective duties would seem like something she would emphasize and encourage.

    I hope we can agree that you proffering reasons for the agency to exhibit incompetence in no way diminishes the possibility that the agency might tend toward even greater incompetence when dealing with one particularly disliked individual under its ostensible protection.

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  3. Henry Racette Member
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    I think there are questions about the assassination attempt that demand answers.

    I think past events in the DoJ agencies relating to Trump make this a special case, even by assassination standards, and so those answers should be transparently arrived at, credible, and made available forthwith.

    I think the media’s antipathy toward any coverage of the assassination attempt is almost certainly politically motivated and will tend to undermine our ability to get those answers.

    I think we should continue to draw attention to it on those platforms that allow us to do so.

    (I also think it’s a mistake to be too snarky toward our fellow members about this.)

     

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    “Conspiracy” may be too specific a word for what is going on. We don’t have a term for a general culture of casual complicity, of deliberate indifference, of a shared commitment to half-a**ed execution of one’s duties.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if a miasma of contempt wafts through our institutions where Trump is concerned, and if that in turn prompts individuals who might be competent under other circumstances to phone it in, perhaps not quite admitting to themselves and each other that, shoot, how bad would it really be if something happened?

    That doesn’t require the same kind of secrecy and complicity as does what we normally consider to be a “conspiracy.” It just means a bunch of people repeatedly making less-good choices — choices that, taken individually, could be defended as perhaps not ideal but certainly not clear-cut evidence of bad intent.

    Given the track record of the alphabet agencies vis-à-vis Trump, that seems entirely plausible.

    True, but just indifference etc existed before Trump. I don’t think they would need to be MORE indifferent because of Trump, for something like this to happen. Even more than once, which could have happened considering the later example of the agent who left her post to breast-feed her baby. Why was the baby – or her, for that matter – even there?!?!? Not because they were indifferent to Trump.

    I’m not describing mere indifference, KE. I’m describing a kind of situational indifference, a tendency to underperform when he-who-must-not-be-named is the subject.

    I have no idea how competent the Secret Service is on a daily basis. What I’m suggesting is that, whatever that benchmark, it may be reduced, subtly but systemically and therefore significantly, where the orange man is concerned.

    And were that the case, then yes, it’s entirely possible that a nursing mother was part of this particular detail precisely because the staffing officer decided that, since the lady had to be put somewhere, why not let her tag along on the Trump thing? I mean, it’s not like the guy deserved the very best, right?

    Technically true, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are nursing mothers on the details for FJB and Kamala and anyone else. In fact I would be more surprised if there AREN’T.

    I think I’d be surprised if there were; neither of us knows. But, just for the sake of discussion: Can we wonder how many of those other, hypothetical nursing mothers might be inclined to excuse themselves without notifying a superior? One could imagine that “Sally,” the woman who allegedly neglected her martial duties to attend to her maternal ones, might have a reputation for unreliability in that regard, so that even amongst the nursing mothers she tends to be a low performer (in terms of her security function, not lactation).

    Anyway, we’re in the weeds. The point of my comment should be pretty clear.

    [ And once I decided that this was too weedy and needn’t be pursued further, I guess I could have deleted the “Sally,” since a pseudonym saved me no additional typing. ]

    Well, Cheatle as head of the SS was known to be prioritizing “diversity” over quality. Nursing mothers on protective duties would seem like something she would emphasize and encourage.

    I hope we can agree that you proffering reasons for the agency to exhibit incompetence in no way diminishes the possibility that the agency might tend toward even greater incompetence when dealing with one particularly disliked individual under its ostensible protection.

    I would say the 4 for Trump vs 12 for Jill would be more indicative of that, more than a nursing mother.

    But were there really only 4 at the Trump event, or was that just the “Ground” people not counting snipers, or something?

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  5. Headedwest Inactive
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    [Redacted for rudeness]

    I was responding to a characteristically rude employee post.

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    [Redacted for rudeness]

    I was responding to a characteristically rude employee post.

    They thought THAT was rude?

    Wow.

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  7. The Reticulator Member
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    What is the simplest explanation, the one that makes the fewest assumptions? Did dozens of people conspire to kill Mr Trump and manage to keep this a secret? Or is the USSS so massively incompetent as to be unable to stop a single murderous teenager until after he had killed one citizen and wounded three others? The destruction of evidence is compatible with both scenarios.

    Figure out which explanation is the simplest and you will likely know the truth.

    William of Occam, c.1287-1347.

    It wouldn’t take dozens of people conspiring. One supervisor or director misallocating resources could do it.

    Yes, and if DHS were broken up into component parts, it would be easier for whistleblowers to call attention to problems instead of being isolated and punished.   As it is, the DHS is a monolith that is hard to reform.  Break it up, and it will be easier to remove the elements that serve no good purpose, and to reform the rest.   

    Maybe other people will have other ideas, but the lack of discussion about what needs to be done is what makes me angry about those who go hunting for conspiracy theories instead of working on the problem.  (I was going to use a different word than hunting, then figured I should tone it down a bit.) Members of Congress aren’t going to do anything unless the public demands it.  They might resist making changes anyway, but we shouldn’t make it easy for them to do nothing.  

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    Or, as the Dems will say, “what about J6?”

    That was a Democrat set-up, as well, and the confirming evidence is the now non-event of the J6 Pipe Bombs at the DNC and RNC HQs building.

    J6 Pipe Bombs? Never heard of it.

    Those were planted just in case another narrative was needed.  J6 “worked,” so the pipe bomb story was buried.

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    Or, as the Dems will say, “what about J6?”

    That was a Democrat set-up, as well, and the confirming evidence is the now non-event of the J6 Pipe Bombs at the DNC and RNC HQs building.

    J6 Pipe Bombs? Never heard of it.

    Those were planted just in case another narrative was needed. J6 work, so the pipe bomb story was buried.

    Yes. That’s why we haven’t heard of it. If Pelosi and crew had not been able to, in their mind, turn the protest riot into a perceived insurrection, then the pipe bomb would have been an attempted assassination of the Vice-President-Elect by the Trump Protesters. Wasn’t needed.

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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    [Redacted for rudeness]

    In view of the late hour I will make this very brief although I definitely will have more to say about this redaction tomorrow. As I have no idea who made the decision this, by definition, cannot possibly be taken as a personal comment. I will just say for now that anyone who considers what @headedwest said was “rude” would not last five minutes in any courtroom I tried cases in, especially some of the rougher venues like New Orleans. This is quite concerning and I would very much appreciate being informed of what standards require a comment that a certain person’s contributions are not interesting to be deemed “rude.” 

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    What is the simplest explanation, the one that makes the fewest assumptions? Did dozens of people conspire to kill Mr Trump and manage to keep this a secret? Or is the USSS so massively incompetent as to be unable to stop a single murderous teenager until after he had killed one citizen and wounded three others? The destruction of evidence is compatible with both scenarios.

    Figure out which explanation is the simplest and you will likely know the truth.

    William of Occam, c.1287-1347.

    One of these explanations is a deep state operation designed to distract people into speculating on deeper, darker motives and away from instituting reforms in the administrative state based on evidence that everyone can see. It was a close call, but it seems to be working. The administrative state is saved again!

    Yes, that’s a conspiracy theory.

     

    Well, it’s a good one!

    And there is Hanlon’s Razor- ‘Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect.’ I tried hard in the early days of this grotesquerie to try to apply that to this horror but it has become impossible. I saw it phrased somewhere as “seek first to understand” and I have spent a lot of time trying to understand how there could be so many different layers of incompetence at one time but it just asking too much to believe the old bureaucrats’ slogan “Mistakes Were Made” this time. Too many oviously deliberate obfuscations – cremating the body? 3 offsore accounts for this loser? visible for an HOUR before they let Trump get on the stage? line of fire perch and no one on the roof because it had a 1 degree slope? no comms between local law enforcement and the SS (curious that they go by that prticular acronym, of all they could chooses from?)?, FBI hoses down the crime scene the day after the shooting, which a veteran law enforcement officer says “is never done”?, SS sends second and third string people and only 4 of their own people while sending 12 to Jill’s hastily arranged indoor function?, Cheatle resigns immediately after disastrous appearance before Congress thus making it harder to get her to testify further? Biden assigns her SS protection after her resignation for the first time in the history of the SS?, SS couldn’t be bothered to attend the planning meeting the morning of the rally?, reports of Crooks actually walking around the scene in plain sight a good while before Trump took the stage openly carrying a long gun?, the AGR building was deliberately cut out of the SS perimeter?- just for a few examples among many and we’re supposed to believe that this was just a minor little slip up and we, the SS, really, honestly, promise honest-Injun it will never happen again? Of all the insults which have been heaped on Americans over the past decade this one might well be the most brazen of all, or at the very least in the very top rank. So much “neglect” in the words of Hanlon’s Razor it is hard, if not impossible, to think it did not reach the level of actual “malice”!

    And don’t forget that CNN coincidentally showed up that day. The more I think about that the more I start to believe that there just might be a lot more people involved than we would normally credit – the ol’ “c’mon, somebody would talk eventually” attitude. But we just watched what happens to people who try to talk, about Covid, about Gaza, about Biden, anything about Kamala, etc. So I’m not so sure anymore that a cabal couldn’t get away with something like this. 

    And didn’t CNN do this before? Weren’t they mysteriously conveniently on the scene, at 11 at night no less, when … was it one of the surprise FBI raids on someone?

    • #41
  12. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    What is the simplest explanation, the one that makes the fewest assumptions? Did dozens of people conspire to kill Mr Trump and manage to keep this a secret? Or is the USSS so massively incompetent as to be unable to stop a single murderous teenager until after he had killed one citizen and wounded three others? The destruction of evidence is compatible with both scenarios.

    Figure out which explanation is the simplest and you will likely know the truth.

    William of Occam, c.1287-1347.

    One of these explanations is a deep state operation designed to distract people into speculating on deeper, darker motives and away from instituting reforms in the administrative state based on evidence that everyone can see. It was a close call, but it seems to be working. The administrative state is saved again!

    Yes, that’s a conspiracy theory.

    Well, it’s a good one!

    And there is Hanlon’s Razor- ‘Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect.’ I tried hard in the early days of this grotesquerie to try to apply that to this horror but it has become impossible. I saw it phrased somewhere as “seek first to understand” and I have spent a lot of time trying to understand how there could be so many different layers of incompetence at one time but it just asking too much to believe the old bureaucrats’ slogan “Mistakes Were Made” this time. Too many oviously deliberate obfuscations – cremating the body? 3 offsore accounts for this loser? visible for an HOUR before they let Trump get on the stage? line of fire perch and no one on the roof because it had a 1 degree slope? no comms between local law enforcement and the SS (curious that they go by that prticular acronym, of all they could chooses from?)?, FBI hoses down the crime scene the day after the shooting, which a veteran law enforcement officer says “is never done”?, SS sends second and third string people and only 4 of their own people while sending 12 to Jill’s hastily arranged indoor function?, Cheatle resigns immediately after disastrous appearance before Congress thus making it harder to get her to testify further? Biden assigns her SS protection after her resignation for the first time in the history of the SS?, SS couldn’t be bothered to attend the planning meeting the morning of the rally?, reports of Crooks actually walking around the scene in plain sight a good while before Trump took the stage openly carrying a long gun?, the AGR building was deliberately cut out of the SS perimeter?- just for a few examples among many and we’re supposed to believe that this was just a minor little slip up and we, the SS, really, honestly, promise honest-Injun it will never happen again? Of all the insults which have been heaped on Americans over the past decade this one might well be the most brazen of all, or at the very least in the very top rank. So much “neglect” in the words of Hanlon’s Razor it is hard, if not impossible, to think it did not reach the level of actual “malice”!

    And don’t forget that CNN coincidentally showed up that day. The more I think about that the more I start to believe that there just might be a lot more people involved than we would normally credit – the ol’ “c’mon, somebody would talk eventually” attitude. But we just watched what happens to people who try to talk, about Covid, about Gaza, about Biden, anything about Kamala, etc. So I’m not so sure anymore that a cabal couldn’t get away with something like this.

    And didn’t CNN do this before? Weren’t they mysteriously conveniently on the scene, at 11 at night no less, when … was it one of the surprise FBI raids on someone?

    Not a bad thought, but even CNN occasionally needs fresh material that they can chop up to make it look like Trump is “lying” or “dictatorial” or something.  Maybe just “weird.”

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  13. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    What is the simplest explanation, the one that makes the fewest assumptions? Did dozens of people conspire to kill Mr Trump and manage to keep this a secret? Or is the USSS so massively incompetent as to be unable to stop a single murderous teenager until after he had killed one citizen and wounded three others? The destruction of evidence is compatible with both scenarios.

    Figure out which explanation is the simplest and you will likely know the truth.

    William of Occam, c.1287-1347.

    One of these explanations is a deep state operation designed to distract people into speculating on deeper, darker motives and away from instituting reforms in the administrative state based on evidence that everyone can see. It was a close call, but it seems to be working. The administrative state is saved again!

    Yes, that’s a conspiracy theory.

    Well, it’s a good one!

    And there is Hanlon’s Razor- ‘Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect.’ I tried hard in the early days of this grotesquerie to try to apply that to this horror but it has become impossible. I saw it phrased somewhere as “seek first to understand” and I have spent a lot of time trying to understand how there could be so many different layers of incompetence at one time but it just asking too much to believe the old bureaucrats’ slogan “Mistakes Were Made” this time. Too many oviously deliberate obfuscations – cremating the body? 3 offsore accounts for this loser? visible for an HOUR before they let Trump get on the stage? line of fire perch and no one on the roof because it had a 1 degree slope? no comms between local law enforcement and the SS (curious that they go by that prticular acronym, of all they could chooses from?)?, FBI hoses down the crime scene the day after the shooting, which a veteran law enforcement officer says “is never done”?, SS sends second and third string people and only 4 of their own people while sending 12 to Jill’s hastily arranged indoor function?, Cheatle resigns immediately after disastrous appearance before Congress thus making it harder to get her to testify further? Biden assigns her SS protection after her resignation for the first time in the history of the SS?, SS couldn’t be bothered to attend the planning meeting the morning of the rally?, reports of Crooks actually walking around the scene in plain sight a good while before Trump took the stage openly carrying a long gun?, the AGR building was deliberately cut out of the SS perimeter?- just for a few examples among many and we’re supposed to believe that this was just a minor little slip up and we, the SS, really, honestly, promise honest-Injun it will never happen again? Of all the insults which have been heaped on Americans over the past decade this one might well be the most brazen of all, or at the very least in the very top rank. So much “neglect” in the words of Hanlon’s Razor it is hard, if not impossible, to think it did not reach the level of actual “malice”!

    And don’t forget that CNN coincidentally showed up that day. The more I think about that the more I start to believe that there just might be a lot more people involved than we would normally credit – the ol’ “c’mon, somebody would talk eventually” attitude. But we just watched what happens to people who try to talk, about Covid, about Gaza, about Biden, anything about Kamala, etc. So I’m not so sure anymore that a cabal couldn’t get away with something like this.

    And didn’t CNN do this before? Weren’t they mysteriously conveniently on the scene, at 11 at night no less, when … was it one of the surprise FBI raids on someone?

    Not a bad thought, but even CNN occasionally needs fresh material that they can chop up to make it look like Trump is “lying” or “dictatorial” or something. Maybe just “weird.”

    Well, you know we gotta have professional journalists out there.

    • #43
  14. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think there are questions about the assassination attempt that demand answers.

    I think past events in the DoJ agencies relating to Trump make this a special case, even by assassination standards, and so those answers should be transparently arrived at, credible, and made available forthwith.

    I think the media’s antipathy toward any coverage of the assassination attempt is almost certainly politically motivated and will tend to undermine our ability to get those answers.

    I think we should continue to draw attention to it on those platforms that allow us to do so.

    (I also think it’s a mistake to be too snarky toward our fellow members about this.)

     

    Why do you think we should do that?  What’s the purpose of drawing attention to anything? 

    Are you opposed to reforms that would make it harder for the USSS to be incompetent and make it harder to stonewall requests for information?   

    • #44
  15. Jim George Inactive
    Jim George
    @JimGeorge

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    What is the simplest explanation, the one that makes the fewest assumptions? Did dozens of people conspire to kill Mr Trump and manage to keep this a secret? Or is the USSS so massively incompetent as to be unable to stop a single murderous teenager until after he had killed one citizen and wounded three others? The destruction of evidence is compatible with both scenarios.

    Figure out which explanation is the simplest and you will likely know the truth.

    William of Occam, c.1287-1347.

    One of these explanations is a deep state operation designed to distract people into speculating on deeper, darker motives and away from instituting reforms in the administrative state based on evidence that everyone can see. It was a close call, but it seems to be working. The administrative state is saved again!

    Yes, that’s a conspiracy theory.

     

    Well, it’s a good one!

    And there is Hanlon’s Razor- ‘Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect.’ I tried hard in the early days of this grotesquerie to try to apply that to this horror but it has become impossible. I saw it phrased somewhere as “seek first to understand” and I have spent a lot of time trying to understand how there could be so many different layers of incompetence at one time but it just asking too much to believe the old bureaucrats’ slogan “Mistakes Were Made” this time. Too many oviously deliberate obfuscations – cremating the body? 3 offsore accounts for this loser? visible for an HOUR before they let Trump get on the stage? line of fire perch and no one on the roof because it had a 1 degree slope? no comms between local law enforcement and the SS (curious that they go by that prticular acronym, of all they could chooses from?)?, FBI hoses down the crime scene the day after the shooting, which a veteran law enforcement officer says “is never done”?, SS sends second and third string people and only 4 of their own people while sending 12 to Jill’s hastily arranged indoor function?, Cheatle resigns immediately after disastrous appearance before Congress thus making it harder to get her to testify further? Biden assigns her SS protection after her resignation for the first time in the history of the SS?, SS couldn’t be bothered to attend the planning meeting the morning of the rally?, reports of Crooks actually walking around the scene in plain sight a good while before Trump took the stage openly carrying a long gun?, the AGR building was deliberately cut out of the SS perimeter?- just for a few examples among many and we’re supposed to believe that this was just a minor little slip up and we, the SS, really, honestly, promise honest-Injun it will never happen again? Of all the insults which have been heaped on Americans over the past decade this one might well be the most brazen of all, or at the very least in the very top rank. So much “neglect” in the words of Hanlon’s Razor it is hard, if not impossible, to think it did not reach the level of actual “malice”!

    And don’t forget that CNN coincidentally showed up that day. The more I think about that the more I start to believe that there just might be a lot more people involved than we would normally credit – the ol’ “c’mon, somebody would talk eventually” attitude. But we just watched what happens to people who try to talk, about Covid, about Gaza, about Biden, anything about Kamala, etc. So I’m not so sure anymore that a cabal couldn’t get away with something like this.

    And didn’t CNN do this before? Weren’t they mysteriously conveniently on the scene, at 11 at night no less, when … was it one of the surprise FBI raids on someone?

    Roger Stone. Tipped off (allegedly!) by the reptilian Andrew Weissman. Guns drawn on his deaf wife. Your tax dollars at work. Have a nice day! 😎

    • #45
  16. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    Jim George (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    [Redacted for rudeness]

    In view of the late hour I will make this very brief although I definitely will have more to say about this redaction tomorrow. As I have no idea who made the decision this, by definition, cannot possibly be taken as a personal comment. I will just say for now that anyone who considers what @ headedwest said was “rude” would not last five minutes in any courtroom I tried cases in, especially some of the rougher venues like New Orleans. This is quite concerning and I would very much appreciate being informed of what standards require a comment that a certain person’s contributions are not interesting to be deemed “rude.”

    Jim, people can dispute the contents of a comment to their heart’s desire.  Announcing that a particular member ruins posts by commenting is a personal attack.  If you need someone to blame, you can blame me.

    • #46
  17. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    I’ll list a few professions that are in disarray in America.

    Journalism

    Education

    Medicine

    Banking

    Law

    I guess I was a professional in the field of banking but limited to money transfer operations. I think that is working effectively today but there is an effort afoot to corrupt it in the sense of making the information related to each and every funds transfer every individual makes available to the central government.

    Digital currency in effect does not serve the people as individuals. Individual freedom is a first principle of the founding of America.

    I don’t support or defend professional fields that work against this principle.

    • #47
  18. Old Bathos Member
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    I heard a stand-up comedian say that if the government had actually planned an assassination, the fiasco at Butler is what we were likely to get. 

    If there is a conspiracy it will not be that the idiot shooter was in league with the feds but that someone knew what he was planning (or that Iran et al were planning) and decided to let it play out relying on the incompetence of the third-string personnel assigned to create a master narrative of a screw up by loser government employees.   

    I have a theory that the refusal of the feds to release the JFK assassination files as expressly required by law is not that the CIA/LBJ/etc was actually complicit in murder but that the level of incompetence, corruption, and stupidity accidentally uncovered in various investigation channels was so bad that Congress would revisit the value of the agencies involved if the public knew.

    The coverup is not worse than the crime if it is successful.  Often it is worth the risk.

    • #48
  19. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I think there are questions about the assassination attempt that demand answers.

    I think past events in the DoJ agencies relating to Trump make this a special case, even by assassination standards, and so those answers should be transparently arrived at, credible, and made available forthwith.

    I think the media’s antipathy toward any coverage of the assassination attempt is almost certainly politically motivated and will tend to undermine our ability to get those answers.

    I think we should continue to draw attention to it on those platforms that allow us to do so.

    (I also think it’s a mistake to be too snarky toward our fellow members about this.)

     

    Why do you think we should do that? What’s the purpose of drawing attention to anything?

    Why do I think we should continue to draw attention to the assassination and the circumstances surrounding it? Because, as I said, I think there are questions that should be answered, and I think the mainstream media won’t push for that, for political reasons. So I think the alternative media should. We’re part of the alternative media.

    Are you opposed to reforms that would make it harder for the USSS to be incompetent and make it harder to stonewall requests for information?

    Not at all. I’m hugely in favor of increased transparency and accountability across all government.

    • #49
  20. Jim George Inactive
    Jim George
    @JimGeorge

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    [Redacted for rudeness]

    In view of the late hour I will make this very brief although I definitely will have more to say about this redaction tomorrow. As I have no idea who made the decision this, by definition, cannot possibly be taken as a personal comment. I will just say for now that anyone who considers what @ headedwest said was “rude” would not last five minutes in any courtroom I tried cases in, especially some of the rougher venues like New Orleans. This is quite concerning and I would very much appreciate being informed of what standards require a comment that a certain person’s contributions are not interesting to be deemed “rude.”

    Jim, people can dispute the contents of a comment to their heart’s desire. Announcing that a particular member ruins posts by commenting is a personal attack. If you need someone to blame, you can blame me.

    I shall not “blame” you but I will note my disagreement with a policy that deems a comment, dare I use these words on this free speech platform, offensive speech for noting a member’s (?- Staff?) comments are not interesting just as one would do in any  conversation. I have now re-read the “offending” comment of the Member ? Staff? person and have decided, if I may be so bold as to risk saying the following which might be deemed offensive, it is so filled with sarcasm and snark as to not be worthy of response as there is really very little to “respond” to. 

    Thank you for the courtesy of your kind and prompt response. (Shame I have to say that was not snark, but was genuine).

    Jim

     

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  21. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Carthage was destroyed in 146 BC.  Corinth, too, as it happened.

    • #51
  22. Jim George Inactive
    Jim George
    @JimGeorge

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Carthage was destroyed in 146 BC. Corinth, too, as it happened.

    My information came from Victor Davis Hanson’s new book The End of Everything, How Wars Descend Into Annihilation. It appears you are technically correct if referring to the final year of the siege and perhaps I should have listed the entire 3 year span of the attack, 149-146, instead of just the beginning of the horrible savagery led by Roman Consul Scipio Aemilanus. I cannot recommend Hanson’s book too highly; perhaps you’ve read it but it discusses, in addition to Carthage, Alexander the Great’s obliteration of Thebes (335 BC), the fall of Constantinople and the annihilation of the Aztec Empire (1521). I’m reporting on the book in our book club next month so I’ve read it very carefully and it is superb. The phenomena of hubris and over confidence are present in all four wars and I found the book full of implied warnings for America in 2024. (The image is of page 59 should you want to take a look at it.) 

    • #52
  23. God-Loving Woman Coolidge
    God-Loving Woman
    @GodLovingWoman

    “What a ridiculous idea. Can you imagine the level of corruption and hate that would entail? Thank goodness we don’t live in THAT reality, but rather the one where no western liberal democracy would encourage assassinations, conduct them, or adjust security to make them easier. No sirree.”

    The arrogant beast of calloused malevolence is right there behind a very thin curtain, more so now given enabling tech and censorious movements. What has happened to us?

     It’s stunning to me that the media throws to the side all previously held regard for honesty and integrity in trade for membership in the club, a club that naively rolls along thinking they are justified in lying and that somehow they will end up on top. After all, they ve got connections. How these people sleep is beyond comprehension. 

    Chilling. But their plans are not inevitable.  Things will get harder before they get better. Faith is powerful. 

    • #53
  24. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    God-Loving Woman (View Comment):

    “What a ridiculous idea. Can you imagine the level of corruption and hate that would entail? Thank goodness we don’t live in THAT reality, but rather the one where no western liberal democracy would encourage assassinations, conduct them, or adjust security to make them easier. No sirree.”

    The arrogant beast of calloused malevolence is right there behind a very thin curtain, more so now given enabling tech and censorious movements. What has happened to us?

    It’s stunning to me that the media throws to the side all previously held regard for honesty and integrity in trade for membership in the club, a club that naively rolls along thinking they are justified in lying and that somehow they will end up on top. After all, they ve got connections. How these people sleep is beyond comprehension.

    Chilling. But their plans are not inevitable. Things will get harder before they get better. Faith is powerful.

    And since many of those who think they are/will be on top are actually on the softer side, they can be expected to fall away as conditions worsen.

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