Was it Vladimir or Jill?

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Always assume incompetence before looking for conspiracy –Niccolo Machiavelli

Sorry, Niccolo.  I have a Twitter account so I know the Trump assassination attempt was a conspiracy.  It could not be more obvious.  The shooting was a setup.  But by whom?

The tipoff for me was the moment when Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle told us that the roof was unguarded because of the steep slope.  That answer was not just preposterous, it was embarrassing.  Nobody at that level is actually that mentally challenged.  She wanted us to think that she and her underlings were simply incompetent.  Yeah, right.  Nobody is that clueless. But why the misdirection?

Cui Bono? Let’s explore the possibilities.

  1. Putin interfering again for Trump. To make Trump a victim, the bullet was supposed to be close and wound up being too close. Trump’s act of defiance instead of ducking proves he knew. And a news photographer with a high-speed camera to catch the bullet’s path just happened to know when to click?  A plan with this many moving parts had to be the Russians.  Our Deep State is not that good. Or are they?
  2. Deep State. The old trademark shooter ID double switch—a shooter who was a Republican, apparently switches allegiance.  (Lee Harvey Oswald appeared to be a committed commie but really a tool of the CIA.)  The shooter was a failed gun club dropout no doubt secretly retrained.  And dumb enough not to know he would be instantly taken out afterward. This loser checked all the boxes.
  3. The Bidens. The incredibly clear path for a guy in camo with a sniper rifle carrying a new 12-foot ladder walking straight from Home Depot to climb up to the perfect ambush spot?  A security breach that wide required orders from above from Jill’s handpicked SS director.  Is the Big Guy capable of forming that complete thought?  Be serious.  I am looking at you, Dr. Biden.

Feel free to weigh in with new evidence or other theories.

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  1. Django Member
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    12:58 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    The locals have said that they were responsible for traffic and crowd control only, while some reports say that the SS had delegated that building to the locals. I’ve seen kids’ birthday parties better organized.

    FWIW, the Butler Township Commissioner who said the locals were only responsible for traffic and crowd control claimed he actually saw and possesses the event planning documents.

    Will they be made public or at least made available to those in the House and Senate who are insisting on investigations?

    Now that I think of it, they probably should not be made public for security reasons.

    That’s my thought as well. The guy would probably like to release them to take the blame off his people, but likely can’t.

    Bongino is discussing this now. He is saying that the locals and the SS are disagreeing, but that there are text and verbal recordings of the communications. Bongino claims the text records will be made public and if he is correct about the content, the stuff should hit the fan. There will be no place to hide.

    How accurate has Bongino been in the past? I don’t listen to his show, so I can’t judge.

    I’m not a regular listener so I can’t say. Just streamed his show because of his background as an SS agent. 

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
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    1:40 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    It seems we have, after the event and its aftermath, a wrath of information indicating massive weaknesses and gaps in the security surrounding the former President at his appearance in Butler, Pa.

    This has spawned conspiracy theories, (this post?), regarding whether this was a setup.

    Here’s what I see. Such a setup might not really require much if someone’s intent was merely to take advantage of what they saw as an opportunity. Say someone with such an opportunity mindset knew the shooter and his potential inclinations, also knew that lax security could be in place at the Butler event, and communicated this to the shooter.

    That’s all it would take.

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  3. Django Member
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    1:44 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    I don’t know what to make of this: 

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  4. Old Bathos Member
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    2:15 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    Django (View Comment):

    I don’t know what to make of this:

    I don’t know why you people are so concerned.  No one needs a permit or leezence to be on that roof.  Please do not further disturb my trained eye observations of the crowd.

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  5. Django Member
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    3:08 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

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  6. Columbo Member
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    4:15 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    Django (View Comment):

    If they could shoot him that fast AFTER he shot at President Trump, they could have shot him as fast BEFORE he ever fired a shot himself.

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  7. Django Member
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    5:06 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    How typical is he? I don’t know why this snot-licking punk is so upset with conservatives. We’re not the ones who had sex with his wife. Quoting one of the comments. [Open marriage and all that. BTW, Language warning]

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  8. Sisyphus Member
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    5:17 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    Django (View Comment):

    How typical is he? I don’t know why this snot-licking punk is so upset with conservatives. We’re not the ones who had sex with his wife. Quoting one of the comments. [Open marriage and all that. BTW, Language warning]

    Confessing being a serial killer on the Internet. Bold career move.

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  9. notmarx Member
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    5:51 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    Marie Finlay (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):
    Think of it another way: what aspect of federal government activity, with which you have direct experience, works consistently, predictably, efficiently, pleasantly

    When I was directing the development and implementation of electronic Direct Deposit of Social Security payments in the late 1970’s, we did not mandate anything and the option to get a check remains today, as far as I am aware. I’m sure the check option is not promoted today and may be obscured but it is still there. But not for long if we go digital.

    That’s funny, Bob. I just posted a reply to mom’s question stating SSA is a consistently reliable government agency. Now I know who to thank for that. Thank you, Bob!

    To be fair and clear, he was apparently only involved in the payments side of it. There’s still a lot of incompetence etc in the SSA as a whole.

    In fact, there is an increasing amount of incompetence at SSA. I had a 21 year career there, ending in local management. For about 25 years the agency was not allowed to recruit from among the brightest possible choices, actively recruited people unsuited to customer service, and had an abysmal training program. Upper management ground down those of us who tried to insist on quality and accuracy; they just want to process the numbers and collect their 5 figure bonuses. Social Security itself is not too bad, but the SSI program is a mess. I’m glad I’m out. I do hear that the new Commissioner is doing some good things.

    When you call in to SSA, pray for an old-timer.  

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    6:00 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    notmarx (View Comment):

    Marie Finlay (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):
    Think of it another way: what aspect of federal government activity, with which you have direct experience, works consistently, predictably, efficiently, pleasantly

    When I was directing the development and implementation of electronic Direct Deposit of Social Security payments in the late 1970’s, we did not mandate anything and the option to get a check remains today, as far as I am aware. I’m sure the check option is not promoted today and may be obscured but it is still there. But not for long if we go digital.

    That’s funny, Bob. I just posted a reply to mom’s question stating SSA is a consistently reliable government agency. Now I know who to thank for that. Thank you, Bob!

    To be fair and clear, he was apparently only involved in the payments side of it. There’s still a lot of incompetence etc in the SSA as a whole.

    In fact, there is an increasing amount of incompetence at SSA. I had a 21 year career there, ending in local management. For about 25 years the agency was not allowed to recruit from among the brightest possible choices, actively recruited people unsuited to customer service, and had an abysmal training program. Upper management ground down those of us who tried to insist on quality and accuracy; they just want to process the numbers and collect their 5 figure bonuses. Social Security itself is not too bad, but the SSI program is a mess. I’m glad I’m out. I do hear that the new Commissioner is doing some good things.

    When you call in to SSA, pray for an old-timer.

    And if you mail them anything important, send it certified with return receipt, so you can prove that they got it when they claim they didn’t.  That’s saved me from significant problems a few times.  Even if you end up having to re-send because they “lost” it, the receipt proves that you originally sent it “timely.”

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  11. Columbo Member
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    7:51 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 18, 2024

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    How typical is he? I don’t know why this snot-licking punk is so upset with conservatives. We’re not the ones who had sex with his wife. Quoting one of the comments. [Open marriage and all that. BTW, Language warning]

    Confessing being a serial killer on the Internet. Bold career move.

    Being liberal means never having to say you’re sorry.

    Ryan O’Neal played me in Love Story. And, I invented the internet.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    8:46 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

    Django (View Comment):

    I tend to assume incompetence and laziness, but did the team assigned to the roof notify the shooter that there would be no team there? Now that . . . a government agency has the shooter’s phone, will we find out that the shooter had received a call?

    EDIT: I do not know whether the reports are accurate, but I’ve heard and read that the shooter bought fifty rounds of ammo and a ladder that morning after borrowing his dad’s rifle.

    “fifty rounds of ammo”.

     

    You mean “one box”.

     

    It’s not like they sell bullets individually.

     

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  13. Miffed White Male Member
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    8:47 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Viva Frei uses the phrase “LIHOP” Let It Happen On Purpose. The idea is that the people in charge set up circumstances where a bad thing can happen. It applies to Jul13 and Jan6.

    That’s my belief on Epstein.  He wasn’t murdered, but he was allowed [possibly encouraged] to kill himself.

     

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    8:52 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

    David Foster (View Comment):

    I think it is most likely incompetence, but a particular kind of incompetence which is bred by the thinking of our present-day ‘progressive’ Left grafted on to general bureaucratic mindlessness. . A few of stores…

    –In the UK, a woman was left at the bottom of an abandoned mineshaft for six hours, despite the fact that the human and technical capabilities to rescue her were available. Apparently, safety rules banned firefighters from saving her.

    A senior fire officer at the scene admitted that crews could only listen to her cries for help, after she fell down the 60ft shaft, because regulations said their lifting equipment could not be used on the public. A memo had been circulated in Strathclyde Fire and Rescue stations months previously stating that it was for use by firefighters only.

    The woman, who had two children, died as she was (finally) being rescued.

    —

    –This from Minnesota in 2017. When the fire alarm went off at Como Park High School, a 14-year-old girl was rousted out of the swimming pool, and–dripping wet and wearing only a swimsuit–directed to go stand outside were the temperature was sub-zero and the wind chill made it much worse. Then, she was not allowed to take refuge in one of the many cars in the parking lot because of a school policy forbidding students from sitting in a faculty member’s car. As the blogger Bookworm notes: Even the lowest intelligence can figure out that the rule’s purpose is to prevent teachers from engaging sexually with children. The likelihood of a covert sexual contact happening between Kayona and a teacherunder the actual circumstances is ludicrous. The faculty cars were in full view of the entire school. There was no chance of illicit sexual congress. But the whole nature of bureaucratic rules, of course, is to forbid human judgment based on actual context. Fortunately for Kayona, her fellow students hadn’t had human decency ground out of them by rules: “…fellow students, however, demonstrated a grasp of civilized behavior. Students huddled around her and some frigid classmates [sic], giving her a sweatshirt to put around her feet. A teacher coughed up a jacket.” As the children were keeping Kayona alive, the teachers were workingtheir way through the bureaucracy. After a freezing ten minutes, an administrator finally gave permission for the soaking wet, freezing Kayla to set in a car in full view of everybody. So I have no difficulty believing that they *really did* make a ‘safety’ decision based on the slope of the roof.

    Except that photos show that the snipers who took out the shooter were on a roof that clearly had a steeper slope than the roof the shooter was on.

    Gross incompetence is the Best Case scenario.

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  15. Django Member
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    9:42 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    I tend to assume incompetence and laziness, but did the team assigned to the roof notify the shooter that there would be no team there? Now that . . . a government agency has the shooter’s phone, will we find out that the shooter had received a call?

    EDIT: I do not know whether the reports are accurate, but I’ve heard and read that the shooter bought fifty rounds of ammo and a ladder that morning after borrowing his dad’s rifle.

    “fifty rounds of ammo”.

     

    You mean “one box”.

     

    It’s not like they sell bullets individually.

     

    The report said “fifty rounds“. Why it was phrased that way I don’t know.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    9:53 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

    Django (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    I tend to assume incompetence and laziness, but did the team assigned to the roof notify the shooter that there would be no team there? Now that . . . a government agency has the shooter’s phone, will we find out that the shooter had received a call?

    EDIT: I do not know whether the reports are accurate, but I’ve heard and read that the shooter bought fifty rounds of ammo and a ladder that morning after borrowing his dad’s rifle.

    “fifty rounds of ammo”.

     

    You mean “one box”.

     

    It’s not like they sell bullets individually.

     

    The report said “fifty rounds“. Why it was phrased that way I don’t know.

    It sounds scarier to people who don’t know anything about guns.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    12:40 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

    Percival (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’ve seen reports that the shooter climbed a ladder to get on the roof, and reports that he did not, but rather climbed on an AC unit and then hoisted up to the roof. I’ve seen reports that he bought a 5-foot ladder at Home Depot, which wasn’t found, and doesn’t appear to have been tall enough to reach the roof in any event. I’ve seen reports that a local cop climbed a ladder, without an indication of where the ladder came from. I’ve seen reports of witnesses having seen the shooter earlier, crossing a field, and now there are reports that he was near the magnetic screening, all without any mention that he was carrying a ladder.

    From the early reporting, I had the impression that there was already a ladder in place that he used to climb up to the roof, which I thought was an indication that he had assistance. Now, I don’t know whether or not that is true.

    The day before the shooting:

    After his stop at the gun shop, Crooks went to a Home Depot, where he purchased a five-foot ladder. A receipt for the ladder was later found in his pocket.

    Whether or not he used the ladder, or what became of it, I do not know.

    A 5-foot ladder doesn’t get you to the roof of anything.  Maybe you meant 15-foot?  As an extension ladder, it wouldn’t be 15 feet long when being carried.

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    2:33 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 19, 2024

     

     

    Edit:  In case you were wondering about the relevance, that got posted in the wrong thread.

     

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  19. Sisyphus Member
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    12:30 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 20, 2024

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

     

     

    Edit: In case you were wondering about the relevance, that got posted in the wrong thread.

     

    Reminds me of every investment guy ever.

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  20. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    8:12 AM EDT ⋅ Jul 20, 2024

    kedavis (View Comment):
    A 5-foot ladder doesn’t get you to the roof of anything.  Maybe you meant 15-foot?  As an extension ladder, it wouldn’t be 15 feet long when being carried.

    a  5 foot ladder on top of a big A/C unit is what I saw in one picture.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    8:05 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 20, 2024

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    A 5-foot ladder doesn’t get you to the roof of anything. Maybe you meant 15-foot? As an extension ladder, it wouldn’t be 15 feet long when being carried.

    a 5 foot ladder on top of a big A/C unit is what I saw in one picture.

    Odd.  I’ve also read reports of a 10-foot ladder.

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  22. Bob Thompson Member
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    10:53 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 20, 2024

    Information from a source I consider reliable, Chris Martenson from Peak Prosperity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LouUbMYb7Bc&t=1s.

     

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  23. randallg Member
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    2:16 PM EDT ⋅ Jul 21, 2024

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    If it’s posted on X it must be true therefore all 3 choices are true and hundreds of people to include the Secret Service, local law enforcement, Democrats, Republicans, the FSB, neo-Nazis, and Antifa had a secret meeting and found a shooter to attend the Trump event and managed to keep it a secret.

    Same ones who pulled off 9/11.

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