Hoping for Trump to Win and Not Voting For Him Is Letting Other People do the Dirty Work

 

The choice before the nation is Trump or Biden. Oh, Biden might get replaced, but whoever it would be, he or she would keep on in the same vein as Biden. The Democrats are wholly owned by the far-left progressives.

One might claim to want them both to lose, but alas, that is not an option. Republican or Democrat will win. And if it is the Grand Old Party, that Republican will be Donald J. Trump. Period. There is no way around it.

Now, if one does not want Biden (or whomever) to win, then by default, one wants Trump to win. Oh, one might protest and say “I don’t want either to win” but that is just being childish. We know one or the other will win. I’d like to have $10 billion too. An adult does not act on fantasy. No, if one wants Biden to lose, one wants Trump to win because that is the outcome of Biden losing. It is like chemo. I don’t want to undergo chemo. I also don’t want to die of cancer. Therefore, I want to undergo chemo because it is the only option.

What has crystalized for me in the past few days is that there are people who want Trump to win, but they won’t aid that outcome. They won’t support Trump, even though he is the nominee (something I imagine most of those people would have pilloried Trump for). They won’t send money. They won’t advocate for others to vote for him. Heck, they won’t vote for him. There can be all sorts of excuses. None of those matter at all. The fact of the matter is, these people are happy to let others support Trump, others spend their money and cast their votes for Trump.

This is contemptible to me. Wanting Trump to win but being unwilling to support him is like wanting the Union to win the Civil War but paying for someone else to go fight in your place. Even worse, actually, because at least in the Civil War, money was spent. Maybe it is more like wanting your nation to win a war, but dodging the draft.

The time to complain about Trump is past. He is who the nominee is going to be. If someone wants him to win, then sitting on his or her hands is despicable. At least vote for the man. Show some support. Anything less is hoping to get what you want while others do the dirty, nasty business of supporting a man you find so abhorrent you cannot bring yourself to vote for him. Even if that means Biden might win.

People should not ask others to do their dirty work for them. It is immoral.

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  1. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    I sent him a thousand, the first time I have ever donated to a candidate. I did it exactly for all the reasons you said.

    He will obviously win. Unless they cheat. Which they will obviously do.

    So I don’t know. They are capable of so much more mendacity than we expect, even when we expect a lot.

    Remember in The Untouchables toward the end when all of a sudden the judge agrees to switch the jurys? Kevin had gone to him and told him that his name was on the list too, and if he didn’t play this trial fair it would all be coming out. It was a lie, but it worked, and everybody was surprised, because they thought that they had the whole situation wired.

    We need something like this to happen at the last minute, catch them red handed at something in real time, something they can’t squirm out of. But I have no idea what it would be.

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  2. The Scarecrow Thatcher
    The Scarecrow
    @TheScarecrow

    If Trump spends my thousand on tiny camera to be hidden in the vote counting rooms, and little microphones planted at the counting tables, I will be very pleased.

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  3. Barfly Member
    Barfly
    @Barfly

    I remember making that argument to Mr. Alias here once. He cried like a little girl. “It’s MY VOTE, Barfly!” he wheezed. 

    Any person who’s too good to vote for an imperfect candidate is a poor excuse for a citizen.

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  4. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    It is a worthless sort of moral preening, unless it is a vindictive reaction to our choice. 

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  5. J Climacus Member
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    @JClimacus

    I’ll be voting for Trump, but the GOPe is doing nothing about the vote fraud. They would be just as happy if Trump lost, by fair means or foul. Their own seats are not in jeopardy in safe Red states. I think we are going to see vote fraud that we can’t even imagine.

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    I’ll be voting for Trump, but the GOPe is doing nothing about the vote fraud. They would be just as happy if Trump lost, by fair means or foul. Their own seats are not in jeopardy in safe Red states. I think we are going to see vote fraud that we can’t even imagine.

    Alas yes

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    I’ll be voting for Trump, but the GOPe is doing nothing about the vote fraud. They would be just as happy if Trump lost, by fair means or foul. Their own seats are not in jeopardy in safe Red states. I think we are going to see vote fraud that we can’t even imagine.

    Alas yes

    And even if Trump gets 100 Million legit votes this time, they’ll claim FJB got 200 Million, and a lot of people will believe it.

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  8. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    I’ll be voting for Trump, but the GOPe is doing nothing about the vote fraud. They would be just as happy if Trump lost, by fair means or foul. Their own seats are not in jeopardy in safe Red states. I think we are going to see vote fraud that we can’t even imagine.

    Alas yes

    And even if Trump gets 100 Million legit votes this time, they’ll claim FJB got 200 Million, and a lot of people will believe it.

    Or a hundred million and seven. No reason to work harder than you have to.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    I’ll be voting for Trump, but the GOPe is doing nothing about the vote fraud. They would be just as happy if Trump lost, by fair means or foul. Their own seats are not in jeopardy in safe Red states. I think we are going to see vote fraud that we can’t even imagine.

    Alas yes

    And even if Trump gets 100 Million legit votes this time, they’ll claim FJB got 200 Million, and a lot of people will believe it.

    Or a hundred million and seven. No reason to work harder than you have to.

    True but they would prefer a “landslide.”

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  10. Buckpasser Member
    Buckpasser
    @Buckpasser

    Conversation with a neighbor:

    Him: So who are you voting for?

    Me: Who’s running?

    Him: Trump, Biden and Kennedy.

    Me: Well, RFK has lost his mind and FJB has no mind.

    Him: Yea, but who are you voting for?……………Nooooooo

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  11. Chris Williamson Member
    Chris Williamson
    @ChrisWilliamson

    There are reasons to vote for one or the other.

    Abortion – I am against it. I’m not sure Trump’s position, but I’m sure of Biden’s position. Trump wins that point for me.

    Deficit and debt – It’s all about social programs swallowing the Federal Government. It’s a wash with both Biden and Trump.

    DEI in the Federal Government – Biden signed an executive order forcing it everywhere the feds have their hands in. I don’t know Trump’s approach to this. I’ll favor Trump on this by default, hoping he rolls that stuff back.

    Age – This is an issue for Biden as we see clips of him. But Trump is just a few years behind. It’s a wash.

    Size of government – A wash. Neither candidate can do anything about it. It’d be great if Trump got rid of Education and more. But I seriously doubt it.

    Supreme Court replacements – I don’t know what Trump will do here, but I do know what Biden will do. Trump by default.

    Taxes – I like the 2017 tax cuts, but without spending cuts, I’m still in hock for a lot of money at the Federal level. A wash.

    Illegal immigration – Trump wins this easily. This may be the tipping point.

    CONCLUSION:  A tepid vote here in Georgia for Trump — maybe. Biden? Not a chance, notwithstanding Adam Kinzinger’s endorsement. Maybe a write-in for Haley?

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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Chris Williamson (View Comment):
    CONCLUSION:  A tepid vote here in Georgia for Trump — maybe. Biden? Not a chance, notwithstanding Adam Kinzinger’s endorsement. Maybe a write-in for Haley?

    If you want Trump to win, then I would argue the moral thing to do is support him. In Georgia this is more than just posturing. Every vote will count. 

    A write in for Haley is helping Biden win because it is not helping Trump win. It will be one or the other. 

     

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  13. W Bob Member
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    @WBob

    Chris Williamson (View Comment):

    There are reasons to vote for one or the other.

    Abortion – I am against it. I’m not sure Trump’s position, but I’m sure of Biden’s position. Trump wins that point for me.

    Deficit and debt – It’s all about social programs swallowing the Federal Government. It’s a wash with both Biden and Trump.

    DEI in the Federal Government – Biden signed an executive order forcing it everywhere the feds have their hands in. I don’t know Trump’s approach to this. I’ll favor Trump on this by default, hoping he rolls that stuff back.

    Age – This is an issue for Biden as we see clips of him. But Trump is just a few years behind. It’s a wash.

    Size of government – A wash. Neither candidate can do anything about it. It’d be great if Trump got rid of Education and more. But I seriously doubt it.

    Supreme Court replacements – I don’t know what Trump will do here, but I do know what Biden will do. Trump by default.

    Taxes – I like the 2017 tax cuts, but without spending cuts, I’m still in hock for a lot of money at the Federal level. A wash.

    Illegal immigration – Trump wins this easily. This may be the tipping point.

    CONCLUSION: A tepid vote here in Georgia for Trump — maybe. Biden? Not a chance, notwithstanding Adam Kinzinger’s endorsement. Maybe a write-in for Haley?

    Many people describe themselves as “fiscal conservatives but social liberals.” I never heard anyone describe themselves as the opposite, fiscal liberals but social conservatives. I always wondered what that would even look like. What kind of voter would fit that description? Now I know: MAGA voters who don’t care about the debt and don’t want entitlement reform. 

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  14. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Chris Williamson (View Comment):
    Size of government – A wash. Neither candidate can do anything about it. It’d be great if Trump got rid of Education and more. But I seriously doubt it.

    He promised to cut 2 regulations for each new regulation proposed. Data from the national archives show that he cut 8 regulation for each new one proposed.

    Between FY 2017 and FY 2019, the Trump Administration has cut nearly eight regulations for every new, significant regulation—more than fulfilling the promise of Executive Order 13771 to cut two regulations for every new regulation imposed – national archives 

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  15. Bishop Wash Member
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    Chris Williamson (View Comment):
    DEI in the Federal Government – Biden signed an executive order forcing it everywhere the feds have their hands in. I don’t know Trump’s approach to this. I’ll favor Trump on this by default, hoping he rolls that stuff back.

    Trump signed an executive order banning Critical Race Theory being included in government training classes. I remember the Air Force Headquarters pulling training for a few months while they went over the content. Biden rescinded that on day one

    I’m surprised by the number of people who are treating this campaign as though it’s 2016 and Trump is an unknown. He was President. He has a record. He did and did not do things. Some say that pass performance doesn’t predict future results but I know for sure who I’m voting for this year. I didn’t in 2016 until I stepped into the voting booth.

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  16. Django Member
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    @Django

    Does anyone really believe that the age issue is a “wash”? It clearly isn’t as anyone who watches the two knows. We all age differently and the contrast between Biden and Trump is partial confirmation. Biden regularly loses battles with his teleprompter. Trump’s teleprompter goes out and he launches into a stand-up routine about how you can’t get good work done today. He talks off-the-cuff for almost two hours on a warm day with only a water bottle in front of him. Take a clip out of context and he can seem a bit vague, but it happens, even to pros. As proof, listen to Lenny Bruce Live at the Curran Theatre. He was hilarious at points, but there were many slow moments. Same with Trump. Biden has to take ten days off from his day job to rehearse answers — I’d bet he has been tipped off — about how well he has functioned in his day job. ’nuff said. 

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  17. Bishop Wash Member
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    Django (View Comment):
    Biden has to take ten days off from his day job to rehearse answers — I’d bet he has been tipped off — about how well he has functioned in his day job. ’nuff said. 

    Molly mentioned on her podcast yesterday a reason I hadn’t thought of, but it should have been obvious. Aside from figuring out the right dosages for his medical cocktail, which I figured was happening, Molly guesses that they’ve been slowly adjusting his sleep schedule so he will be awake and functioning during the early night. How sad that we don’t have a functioning press corps to ask why the President of the United States has to abandon his job for ten days to prepare for a debate. 

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  18. Painter Jean Moderator
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    What has crystalized for me in the past few days is that there are people who want Trump to win, but they won’t aid that outcome. 

    Why should they bother? You’ve stated many times here that voting doesn’t matter. Why do you write, “aid that outcome,” when you’ve assured us that the outcome won’t matter? 

    People should not ask others to do their dirty work for them. It is immoral. 

    Who is asking that?

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  19. Django Member
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    @Django

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    Biden has to take ten days off from his day job to rehearse answers — I’d bet he has been tipped off — about how well he has functioned in his day job. ’nuff said.

    Molly mentioned on her podcast yesterday a reason I hadn’t thought of, but it should have been obvious. Aside from figuring out the right dosages for his medical cocktail, which I figured was happening, Molly guesses that they’ve been slowly adjusting his sleep schedule so he will be awake and functioning during the early night. How sad that we don’t have a functioning press corps to ask why the President of the United States has to abandon his job for ten days to prepare for a debate.

    That hadn’t occurred to me, but it’s probably on the list. Imagine this as an engineering problem and take the “risk management/mitigation” approach. You just ask, “What can go wrong, and how do we deal with the possibilities?” Energy level? Well, Red Bull/Adderall, but what’s his regular bedtime? Can we get a hint on the questions so he won’t have to think on the fly? Can we make certain the camera is not on him during Trump’s time? We don’t want to have a clip of him ranting into a muted microphone. And so on .  .  .

    The team that prepares that perambulating corpse will earn its fee. 

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  20. MarciN Member
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    @MarciN

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):
    Biden has to take ten days off from his day job to rehearse answers — I’d bet he has been tipped off — about how well he has functioned in his day job. ’nuff said.

    Molly mentioned on her podcast yesterday a reason I hadn’t thought of, but it should have been obvious. Aside from figuring out the right dosages for his medical cocktail, which I figured was happening, Molly guesses that they’ve been slowly adjusting his sleep schedule so he will be awake and functioning during the early night. How sad that we don’t have a functioning press corps to ask why the President of the United States has to abandon his job for ten days to prepare for a debate.

    Just as an aside, if that’s true, it’s pretty remarkable that doctors could achieve that. 

    God bless American medicine! :) 

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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Chris Williamson (View Comment):

    There are reasons to vote for one or the other.

    Abortion – I am against it. I’m not sure Trump’s position, but I’m sure of Biden’s position. Trump wins that point for me.

    Deficit and debt – It’s all about social programs swallowing the Federal Government. It’s a wash with both Biden and Trump.

    DEI in the Federal Government – Biden signed an executive order forcing it everywhere the feds have their hands in. I don’t know Trump’s approach to this. I’ll favor Trump on this by default, hoping he rolls that stuff back.

    Age – This is an issue for Biden as we see clips of him. But Trump is just a few years behind. It’s a wash.

    Size of government – A wash. Neither candidate can do anything about it. It’d be great if Trump got rid of Education and more. But I seriously doubt it.

    Supreme Court replacements – I don’t know what Trump will do here, but I do know what Biden will do. Trump by default.

    Taxes – I like the 2017 tax cuts, but without spending cuts, I’m still in hock for a lot of money at the Federal level. A wash.

    Illegal immigration – Trump wins this easily. This may be the tipping point.

    CONCLUSION: A tepid vote here in Georgia for Trump — maybe. Biden? Not a chance, notwithstanding Adam Kinzinger’s endorsement. Maybe a write-in for Haley?

    Many people describe themselves as “fiscal conservatives but social liberals.” I never heard anyone describe themselves as the opposite, fiscal liberals but social conservatives. I always wondered what that would even look like. What kind of voter would fit that description? Now I know: MAGA voters who don’t care about the debt and don’t want entitlement reform.

    The American people have not really cared about the debt and don’t want entitlement reform. It is not a MAGA thing. 

    But, who will you vote for?

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    What has crystalized for me in the past few days is that there are people who want Trump to win, but they won’t aid that outcome.

    Why should they bother? You’ve stated many times here that voting doesn’t matter. Why do you write, “aid that outcome,” when you’ve assured us that the outcome won’t matter?\

    People should not ask others to do their dirty work for them. It is immoral.

    Who is asking that?

    If you want Trump to win, you are.

    You have been quite clear, Jean, that you will not vote for Trump. Now, I don’t think you want Biden to win, so that means you want Trump to win. You are just unwilling to do anything to support that win. 

    Now, if, in fact, you do want Biden to win, please let me know. 

     

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  23. Painter Jean Moderator
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    What has crystalized for me in the past few days is that there are people who want Trump to win, but they won’t aid that outcome.

    Why should they bother? You’ve stated many times here that voting doesn’t matter. Why do you write, “aid that outcome,” when you’ve assured us that the outcome won’t matter?\

    People should not ask others to do their dirty work for them. It is immoral.

    Who is asking that?

    If you want Trump to win, you are.

    You have been quite clear, Jean, that you will not vote for Trump. Now, I don’t think you want Biden to win, so that means you want Trump to win. You are just unwilling to do anything to support that win.

    Now, if, in fact, you do want Biden to win, please let me know.

     

    I won’t vote for Trump because it won’t matter. I live in a blue state. You’ve indicated that it doesn’t matter, presumably even for those who do live in swing states, so I don’t see why you should be so upset. I’m agreeing with you, after all – it doesn’t matter, at least for me. I disagree with you in regards to voters in swing states, as I think it actually does matter in those states, but maybe you can convince them otherwise. And please address my question – just who is asking for others to “do their dirty work for them?” 

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  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    What has crystalized for me in the past few days is that there are people who want Trump to win, but they won’t aid that outcome.

    Why should they bother? You’ve stated many times here that voting doesn’t matter. Why do you write, “aid that outcome,” when you’ve assured us that the outcome won’t matter?\

    People should not ask others to do their dirty work for them. It is immoral.

    Who is asking that?

    If you want Trump to win, you are.

    You have been quite clear, Jean, that you will not vote for Trump. Now, I don’t think you want Biden to win, so that means you want Trump to win. You are just unwilling to do anything to support that win.

    Now, if, in fact, you do want Biden to win, please let me know.

     

    I won’t vote for Trump because it won’t matter. I live in a blue state. You’ve indicated that it doesn’t matter, presumably even for those who do live in swing states, so I don’t see why you should be so upset.

    I just explained it above. I wager there is not one other person who read this you does not understand what I mean. I think the election is going to go for Biden regardless of what we do. That does not mean we should not try to win anyway. So yes, I don’t think the vote will give us the win. It still matters morally. I hope that clears it up for you.

    I’m agreeing with you, after all – it doesn’t matter, at least for me. I disagree with you in regards to voters in swing states, as I think it actually does matter in those states, but maybe you can convince them otherwise. And please address my question – just who is asking for others to “do their dirty work for them?”

    You are asking others to do the dirty work of electing Trump for you, if you want Trump elected but wont vote for him. You are one of those people. You want Trump to win, but you want others to do the work of making it happen so you don’t have too. 

    So yeah, when people engage in immoral behavior, it can result in my being upset with that person. 

     

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  25. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    W Bob (View Comment):
    Many people describe themselves as “fiscal conservatives but social liberals.” I never heard anyone describe themselves as the opposite, fiscal liberals but social conservatives. I always wondered what that would even look like. What kind of voter would fit that description? Now I know: MAGA voters who don’t care about the debt and don’t want entitlement reform. 

    We’ve all been conditioned to think that if you know where someone stands on 2-4 issues, you know where they stand on pretty much everything.  But there’s no logical reason to believe that if someone agrees with me on abortion and gun control, of course, they ought to agree with me on gay marriage, reforming entitlements, labor unions, free trade, tax policy, Ukraine vs. Russia, Israel vs. Hamas, states’ rights, subsidization of various industries, the culpability of carbon dioxide in global warming, and subsidies for college tuition.

    There are plenty of people who are conservative on abortion, gay rights, and forcing public schools to display the Ten Commandments in every classroom, but who will vote for a higher minimum wage and denounce conservative fiscal policies as being the tools of greedy corporations.

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  26. Painter Jean Moderator
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    I think the election is going to go for Biden regardless of what we do. That does not mean we should not try to win anyway. So yes, I don’t think the vote will give us the win. It still matters morally. I hope that clears it up for you.

    No, not really. I disagree with you in that I think the votes of those in swing states do in fact matter. In my state? Nope.

    You are asking others to do the dirty work of electing Trump for you, if you want Trump elected but wont vote for him. You are one of those people. You want Trump to win, but you want others to do the work of making it happen so you don’t have too. 

    No, I am not asking others to do anything. I assume other people do what I do, which is to vote for people they want to vote for, and to not vote for people they don’t want to vote for. It’s really that simple. I’m not expecting anyone to do anything in regards to any specific candidate – that’s their business, not mine. If they want to “do the dirty work,” as you put it, fine. If they don’t want to (or don’t see it as you do), that’s fine too. I don’t feel any need to expend emotional outrage and moral judgment on the voting choices of other people. I don’t assume that kind of lofty moral superiority.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Chris Williamson (View Comment):

    There are reasons to vote for one or the other.

     

    Deficit and debt – It’s all about social programs swallowing the Federal Government. It’s a wash with both Biden and Trump.

    For just the spending side, maybe.  But Trump’s economy was more capable of withstanding it.  And such an economy might, in time, even overcome it.

    So, not “a wash.”

     

    DEI in the Federal Government – Biden signed an executive order forcing it everywhere the feds have their hands in. I don’t know Trump’s approach to this. I’ll favor Trump on this by default, hoping he rolls that stuff back.

    And in fact he did “roll back” a lot of it, which FJB then immediately re-rolled after taking office.

     

    Age – This is an issue for Biden as we see clips of him. But Trump is just a few years behind. It’s a wash.

    If you’re looking at just the number, sure.  But Biden has been enfeebled for years/decades already.  Trump has, so far, not shown the same problems.  That could change, sure, but anyone could have a stroke or something.  So then it comes to the VP.  Do you want President Kamala?

    So, not “a wash.”

     

    Size of government – A wash. Neither candidate can do anything about it. It’d be great if Trump got rid of Education and more. But I seriously doubt it.

    Considering what Trump did regarding Title IX etc, there’s more evidence here than you seem to be aware of.

    So, not “a wash.”

     

    CONCLUSION: A tepid vote here in Georgia for Trump — maybe. Biden? Not a chance, notwithstanding Adam Kinzinger’s endorsement. Maybe a write-in for Haley?

    Under the circumstances, especially, a write-in for Haley – or anyone else – cannot be taken seriously.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    W Bob (View Comment):

    Chris Williamson (View Comment):

    There are reasons to vote for one or the other.

    Abortion – I am against it. I’m not sure Trump’s position, but I’m sure of Biden’s position. Trump wins that point for me.

    Deficit and debt – It’s all about social programs swallowing the Federal Government. It’s a wash with both Biden and Trump.

    DEI in the Federal Government – Biden signed an executive order forcing it everywhere the feds have their hands in. I don’t know Trump’s approach to this. I’ll favor Trump on this by default, hoping he rolls that stuff back.

    Age – This is an issue for Biden as we see clips of him. But Trump is just a few years behind. It’s a wash.

    Size of government – A wash. Neither candidate can do anything about it. It’d be great if Trump got rid of Education and more. But I seriously doubt it.

    Supreme Court replacements – I don’t know what Trump will do here, but I do know what Biden will do. Trump by default.

    Taxes – I like the 2017 tax cuts, but without spending cuts, I’m still in hock for a lot of money at the Federal level. A wash.

    Illegal immigration – Trump wins this easily. This may be the tipping point.

    CONCLUSION: A tepid vote here in Georgia for Trump — maybe. Biden? Not a chance, notwithstanding Adam Kinzinger’s endorsement. Maybe a write-in for Haley?

    Many people describe themselves as “fiscal conservatives but social liberals.” I never heard anyone describe themselves as the opposite, fiscal liberals but social conservatives. I always wondered what that would even look like. What kind of voter would fit that description? Now I know: MAGA voters who don’t care about the debt and don’t want entitlement reform.

    Also, “fiscally conservative but socially liberal” is something of an oxymoron because being socially liberal is VERY expensive.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    There are plenty of people who are conservative on abortion, gay rights, and forcing public schools to display the Ten Commandments in every classroom, but who will vote for a higher minimum wage and denounce conservative fiscal policies as being the tools of greedy corporations.

    Those people:

     

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  30. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    I won’t vote for Trump because it won’t matter. I live in a blue state.

    It actually does matter. Low information voters and Demoncratic Propagandists care about the popular vote. Every blue state voter that doesn’t register their disapproval of Biden helps him.

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