Delaware Jury Convicts Hunter Biden

 

Hunter Biden, the president’s son, was found guilty of three felony gun charges this morning. No sentencing date has been set.

Because they are federal charges the president has the option of pardoning his son but told ABC News on June 6 that he would not.

More details as they become available.

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  1. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    so – will FJB pardon Hunter?

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  2. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    so – will FJB pardon Hunter?

    Perhaps he won’t be allowed to until after the election.

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  3. DrewInNewMexico Member
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    So now we go back to saying justice-involved person instead of convicted felon, right? 

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  4. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    DrewInNewMexico (View Comment):

    So now we go back to saying justice-involved person instead of convicted felon, right?

    Drug addicted, justice-involved person 

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  5. Jim George Member
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    Ricochet Editors' Desk: Because they are federal charges the president has the option of pardoning his son but told ABC News on June 6 that he would not.

    And if you can’t believe Joe Biden who can you believe? 

    Just saw a message noting that the Convicted Felon Club is no longer exclusive; will really be amusing to see how many pretzels they turn themselves into trying to make this one fit the narrative. 

    Glimmer of hope, or am I just being totally Pollyannish in trying to see some light at the end of this bleak tunnel we’ve been in for the last 3 years?

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  6. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    DrewInNewMexico (View Comment):

    So now we go back to saying justice-involved person instead of convicted felon, right?

    Drug addicted, justice-involved person

    Please, sir, “drug addicted” is such an ugly phrase. “Chemically impaired”? “Addiction victim”?

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  7. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Jim George (View Comment):
    And if you can’t believe Joe Biden who can you believe?

    Especially when he gives “my word as a Biden.”

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  8. Jim George Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):
    And if you can’t believe Joe Biden who can you believe?

    Especially when he gives “my word as a Biden.”

    Bravo!

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  9. Some Call Me ...Tim Coolidge
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    Is there a prisoner swap in the works?  DJT for Hunter?

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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Some Call Me …Tim (View Comment):

    Is there a prisoner swap in the works? DJT for Hunter?

    Maybe they’ll share a cell. That way Hunter gets Secret Service protection too.

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  11. Old Bathos Member
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    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun.  Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional.  A weak but kinda fun legal approach.  (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The crowning Biden insult to America will be to put Hunter Biden forward as the champion of gun rights. 

    I wonder if his estranged daughter Navy Joan will be invited to appear with him prior to sentencing to make him look cuddly and fatherly.

    Will the DOJ/FBI frame some jurors to get a mistrial?  Let’s keep an eye on that guy who orchestrated both the Whitmer kidnap entrapment plot and the FBI handling of J6.

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  12. Jim George Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The crowning Biden insult to America will be to put Hunter Biden forward as the champion of gun rights.

    I wonder if his estranged daughter Navy Joan will be invited to appear with him prior to sentencing to make him look cuddly and fatherly.

    Will the DOJ/FBI frame some jurors to get a mistrial? Let’s keep an eye on that guy who orchestrated both the Whitmer kidnap entrapment plot and the FBI handling of J6.

    Before we had the Biden Crime Family inflicted upon us, all of your comments would have been seen as delicious, but hilarious, parody. Now…. every single word of is entirely possible, if not probable, with this gang of street thugs. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun.  Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional.  A weak but kinda fun legal approach.  (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    I maintain what I put in another post, Hunter Biden should not be the FIRST person to avoid criminal punishment for illegal purchase/possession of a gun, because of the 2nd Amendment.

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  14. Old Bathos Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    I maintain what I put in another post, Hunter Biden should not be the FIRST person to avoid criminal punishment for illegal purchase/possession of a gun, because of the 2nd Amendment.

    But it would be weirdly delicious if Biden’s sleazoid incompetence strengthened gun rights and added a couple of new SCOTUS conservatives in the next four years.  What a legacy!

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  15. WilliamDean Coolidge
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    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    DrewInNewMexico (View Comment):

    So now we go back to saying justice-involved person instead of convicted felon, right?

    Drug addicted, justice-involved person

    Please, sir, “drug addicted” is such an ugly phrase. “Chemically impaired”? “Addiction victim”?

    Biden’s troubled child.

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  16. carcat74 Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The crowning Biden insult to America will be to put Hunter Biden forward as the champion of gun rights.

    I wonder if his estranged daughter Navy Joan will be invited to appear with him prior to sentencing to make him look cuddly and fatherly.

    Will the DOJ/FBI frame some jurors to get a mistrial? Let’s keep an eye on that guy who orchestrated both the Whitmer kidnap entrapment plot and the FBI handling of J6.

    How can you frame jurors after the conviction? Oh, wait, what was I thinking…….?

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  17. carcat74 Member
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    `

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    I maintain what I put in another post, Hunter Biden should not be the FIRST person to avoid criminal punishment for illegal purchase/possession of a gun, because of the 2nd Amendment.

    There’s a case before the SC right now fighting against possession of a gun illegally, by an unsavory character. He was convicted, I believe, on a domestic abuse violation? If the SC says the conviction was wrong, Hunter won’t be the first.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    carcat74 (View Comment):

    `

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    I maintain what I put in another post, Hunter Biden should not be the FIRST person to avoid criminal punishment for illegal purchase/possession of a gun, because of the 2nd Amendment.

    There’s a case before the SC right now fighting against possession of a gun illegally, by an unsavory character. He was convicted, I believe, on a domestic abuse violation? If the SC says the conviction was wrong, Hunter won’t be the first.

    Small comfort, if any.  The first case – and maybe the first few MILLION cases – should be about those who only had non-violent previous convictions.

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  19. Steve Fast Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun.  Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional.  A weak but kinda fun legal approach.  (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The question on the background check asks about current use or addiction, not previous use:

    Yes No
    f. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

    He was currently addicted to drugs when he purchased the firearm, which seems like a very reasonable limitation on 2A. He would have a stronger case if the conviction [edit: for lying on the firearms background check] were for prior use and if he were no longer using.

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  20. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The question on the background check asks about current use or addiction, not previous use:

    Yes No
    f. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

    He was currently addicted to drugs when he purchased the firearm, which seems like a very reasonable limitation on 2A. He would have a stronger case if the conviction were for prior use and if he were no longer using.

    A skilled lawyer could probably construct a plausible argument that even current drug use should not deprive a person of basic human rights, including those explicitly mentioned in the US constitution. But going there would raise doubts about any background check program in connection with the exercise of basic constitutional rights. But Hunter making such an argument would be politically very inconvenient for Hunter’s father.

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  21. DrewInNewMexico Member
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    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    DrewInNewMexico (View Comment):

    So now we go back to saying justice-involved person instead of convicted felon, right?

    Drug addicted, justice-involved person

    Please, sir, “drug addicted” is such an ugly phrase. “Chemically impaired”? “Addiction victim”?

    Biden’s troubled child.

    You can’t go after Presidents’ children, don’t ya know.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInNewMexico (View Comment):

    WilliamDean (View Comment):

    Eustace C. Scrubb (View Comment):

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    DrewInNewMexico (View Comment):

    So now we go back to saying justice-involved person instead of convicted felon, right?

    Drug addicted, justice-involved person

    Please, sir, “drug addicted” is such an ugly phrase. “Chemically impaired”? “Addiction victim”?

    Biden’s troubled child.

    You can’t go after Presidents’ children, don’t ya know.

    Of course that only applies to Democrats!  And their middle-aged “children.”

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  23. Skyler Coolidge
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    With all the blatant corruption he has committed, they feel like this is a victory?  This is a pissant charge.  All it does is piss off people on the other side.  If he were found guilty of peddling his father’s influence, that would be important.  

    This is not important at all.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    With all the blatant corruption he has committed, they feel like this is a victory? This is a pissant charge. All it does is piss off people on the other side. If he were found guilty of peddling his father’s influence, that would be important.

    This is not important at all.

    The tax case is more about influence-peddling.  That’s still pending.

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  25. Old Bathos Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The question on the background check asks about current use or addiction, not previous use:

    Yes No
    f. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

    He was currently addicted to drugs when he purchased the firearm, which seems like a very reasonable limitation on 2A. He would have a stronger case if the conviction were for prior use and if he were no longer using.

    A skilled lawyer could probably construct a plausible argument that even current drug use should not deprive a person of basic human rights, including those explicitly mentioned in the US constitution. But going there would raise doubts about any background check program in connection with the exercise of basic constitutional rights. But Hunter making such an argument would be politically very inconvenient for Hunter’s father.

    Lawyer should go for it:  A drug user has to consort with dangerous people because of his addiction and therefore has a greater need for a weapon for self-defense than other citizens. It would be fun to argue that before SCOTUS when Hunter’s case gets there.

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  26. Django Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    There is nothing in the Second Amendment that says you have to be sane or sober to own a gun. Andy McCarthy thinks Hunter will try to appeal on that basis-drug-related restrictions on gun ownership are unconstitutional. A weak but kinda fun legal approach. (The trial judge did not bite on that).

    The crowning Biden insult to America will be to put Hunter Biden forward as the champion of gun rights.

    I wonder if his estranged daughter Navy Joan will be invited to appear with him prior to sentencing to make him look cuddly and fatherly.

    Will the DOJ/FBI frame some jurors to get a mistrial? Let’s keep an eye on that guy who orchestrated both the Whitmer kidnap entrapment plot and the FBI handling of J6.

    I heard a chat show host today say he was hoping for an acquittal because of the boost it would give to Trump and his legal team. Is it possible that the jurors were told “you will convict”? No matter what the verdict, Hunter won’t serve a day. Slow Joe will pardon him, either immediately after being reelected or immediately before leaving office if he loses. 

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  27. Skyler Coolidge
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

     

    Lawyer should go for it: A drug user has to consort with dangerous people because of his addiction and therefore has a greater need for a weapon for self-defense than other citizens. It would be fun to argue that before SCOTUS when Hunter’s case gets there.

    I would argue that they need to prove that he bore arms while under the influence.  Lots of people drink or do drugs but only bear arms when sober.  I think that is a perfectly reasonable argument.  I doubt it would succeed though.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

     

    Lawyer should go for it: A drug user has to consort with dangerous people because of his addiction and therefore has a greater need for a weapon for self-defense than other citizens. It would be fun to argue that before SCOTUS when Hunter’s case gets there.

    I would argue that they need to prove that he bore arms while under the influence. Lots of people drink or do drugs but only bear arms when sober. I think that is a perfectly reasonable argument. I doubt it would succeed though.

    It sure wouldn’t succeed in Hunter’s case, since he took photos and video of himself with the gun, while smoking crack etc.

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  29. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    I think the jury did the best thing for Hunter. I knew he was a junky – but I didnt realize the scope or scale of that addiction… He should take his 5 years or whatever he gets… get into  a rehab program and get his head straight…Those years might be ‘bonus’ years for him.

    FJB not pardoning Hunter, might be the first good act of parenting FJB could ever made. Its amazing that Hunter is still alive after all the drugs he’s taken – its even more amazing that he didnt kill a dozen children or nuns in a DUI accident…

    So the jury in my mind did the responsible thing and convicted him…

    BTW, this charge and conviction is not lawfare… IF anyone else had done this they’d have been in prison for years already.

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  30. Skyler Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    I think the jury did the best thing for Hunter. I knew he was a junky – but I didnt realize the scope or scale of that addiction… He should take his 5 years or whatever he gets… get into a rehab program and get his head straight…Those years might be ‘bonus’ years for him.

    FJB not pardoning Hunter, might be the first good act of parenting FJB could ever made. Its amazing that Hunter is still alive after all the drugs he’s taken – its even more amazing that he didnt kill a dozen children or nuns in a DUI accident…

    So the jury in my mind did the responsible thing and convicted him…

    BTW, this charge and conviction is not lawfare… IF anyone else had done this they’d have been in prison for years already.

    Biden’s handlers will let him go to jail, if indeed he is so sentenced, just as a way to help him sober up.  After the election he will be pardoned.  What parent wouldn’t?  But before the election he will not be pardoned because so many people will react as you have.  It makes Biden appear “responsible” as a parent.

    I seriously doubt he’ll get jail time.  

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