Guilty of Being Orange

 

Well, the media is having their field day now.

 

 

 

The only surprising thing to me was that it took the jury this long to find a verdict.  I thought that just 2 hours would be required.  As this drug on into the second day of deliberations, I wondered if one or two jurors were actually going to stand their ground due to the way the trial was run. But nope.  The fix was in from the get-go and now the Biden campaign will start with non-stop “convicted felon” blather, despite the likelihood that this will be overturned on appeal.

Well, I say that, because one would assume that the decision will be overturned, but perhaps it won’t be.  It certainly won’t be soon.  Assuming it has to go to the NY Supreme Court first, then to the US Court of Appeals, and then on to SCOTUS, it might be finalized around the time that the next Presidential election is getting close to a vote…maybe even longer.

So, President Biden and the Propaganda Press have their win, and damn the consequences.  Honestly, I want Ken Paxton to file corruption charges against Biden as soon as he can (either Jan 21 of 25 or, heaven-forbid, Jan 21 of 29.  Mollie Hemingway asked on her podcast yesterday where the GOP leadership is on this. She noted that John Thune (SD-Establishment) could not answer the question of whether he would vote for Trump if he were convicted.  That should have been an easy question to answer.  That he could not easily give such an answer tells us a great deal about him and what is so wrong with the GOP.

I doubt that this verdict, or the two cases in NY — the 30+-year-old sexual assault civil case or Leticia James’ inflated real estate civil case — have changed any votes, but is there anyone on R> who honestly was going to vote for Trump and now will not?  Is there anyone who was not planning on voting for Trump and now will?  I suspect there are more of the latter than the former, but let’s conduct a survey.  I’ll add the first three comments and we shall see.

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  1. Drew in Texas Coolidge
    Drew in Texas
    @Dbroussa

    Like this comment if this verdict will not change your vote

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  2. Drew in Texas Coolidge
    Drew in Texas
    @Dbroussa

    Like this comment if you will not vote for Trump because of this verdict.

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  3. Drew in Texas Coolidge
    Drew in Texas
    @Dbroussa

    Like this comment if you will now vote for Trump because of this verdict.

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  4. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    This seems like a huge news story, but it might not be.  The sentencing day will be more important and the verdict news might be out of the cycle by Saturday.

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  5. philo Member
    philo
    @philo

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    This seems like a huge news story, but it might not be. The sentencing day will be more important and the verdict news might be out of the cycle by Saturday.

    I suspect the headlines Trump generates over the next several days will be more important. 

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  6. Annefy Coolidge
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    DJT’s website for campaign donations has crashed. I’ll hit refresh for as long as I have to.

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  7. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

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  8. Drew in Texas Coolidge
    Drew in Texas
    @Dbroussa

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    This seems like a huge news story, but it might not be. The sentencing day will be more important and the verdict news might be out of the cycle by Saturday.

    I doubt that this will be out of the news cycle until after the election is over, and if Trump wins, it will STILL be in the news cycle.  The entire purpose of this trial was to convict Trump of something…anything…and thus be able to call him a felon.

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  9. WillowSpring Member
    WillowSpring
    @WillowSpring

    Won’t change my vote for Trump, but will increase donations.

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  10. DrewInNewMexico Member
    DrewInNewMexico
    @BishopWash

    Well, I guess the Ricochet leadership and moderators are happy. Any decent appeal court will overturn it but then again a legit court wouldn’t have gotten this far. 

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  11. Joker Member
    Joker
    @Joker

    Way to go Manhattan. Way to go.

    DA, judge, and yes jury.

    No effect on my vote.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Channeling episode 2 of “WKRP.”

    Annefy voted twice!

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  13. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Thank you for the concise take on the situation.

    Trump got thrown under the same fiery wheels of justice that so many in the J6 crowd have experienced.

    I listened to a Sacramento “right wing” station while on the road today. The host of the show seemed to imply that when the verdict was released, if it came out against Trump, well then karma for Trump’s past playboy days will have finally caught up to with him.

    So if Mollie Hemingway is concerned that the Republicans themselves are not supportive of Trump, she certainly has a good reason to be.

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  14. Terry Mott Member
    Terry Mott
    @TerryMott

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men.  One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks.  I guess we’ll see.

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  15. Annefy Coolidge
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Thank you for the concise take on the situation.

    Trump got thrown under the same fiery wheels of justice that so many in the J6 crowd have experienced.

    I listened to a Sacramento “right wing” station while on the road today. The host of the show seemed to imply that when the verdict was released, if it came out against Trump, well then karma for Trump’s past playboy days will have finally caught up to with him.

    So if Mollie Hemingway is concerned that the Republicans themselves are not supportive of Trump, she certainly has a good reason to be.

    The “Republicans” are feckless to the point of being dangerous and I regret my change in registration in 2016

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  16. Annefy Coolidge
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

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  17. Annefy Coolidge
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    I’m curious. Who do you think is NOT going to vote for Trump now due to the conviction? 

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

    I guess white people might be why “Back the blue, until it happens to you” was invented.

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  19. Annefy Coolidge
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

    I guess white people might be why “Back the blue, until it happens to you” was invented.

    I come from a long line of people suspicious of law enforcement so that doesn’t apply to me. 

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  20. Terry Mott Member
    Terry Mott
    @TerryMott

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    I’m curious. Who do you think is NOT going to vote for Trump now due to the conviction?

    I’m sure there are quite a few who will refuse to vote for a “felon”.  It’s a big country, with all sorts of people.  I have a friend who is pretty conservative but had already declared he’d not vote for Trump this time around.  This isn’t due to the conviction, per se, but due to the prosecutions and, I think, the J6 stuff.

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  21. Annefy Coolidge
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    I’m curious. Who do you think is NOT going to vote for Trump now due to the conviction?

    I’m sure there are quite a few who will refuse to vote for a “felon”. It’s a big country, with all sorts of people. I have a friend who is pretty conservative but had already declared he’d not vote for Trump this time around. This isn’t due to the conviction, per se, but due to the prosecutions and, I think, the J6 stuff.

    The person you just described wasn’t going to vote for DJT.

    I’m talking about people who were going to vote for DJT, and now will not due to his “conviction”. Which is what will change the numbers.

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  22. AMD Texas Coolidge
    AMD Texas
    @DarinJohnson

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

    I guess white people might be why “Back the blue, until it happens to you” was invented.

    I still back the Blue 90% of the time. I have police officers and criminals in my family. Sorry but the POPO happens to be the most trustworthy out of that group. I don’t believe that is a coincidence or different in the general pop except maybe New York and Cal if forn I ayyy

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

    I guess white people might be why “Back the blue, until it happens to you” was invented.

    I still back the Blue 90% of the time. I have police officers and criminals in my family. Sorry but the POPO happens to be the most trustworthy out of that group. I don’t believe that is a coincidence or different ion the general pop.

    10% is still way too high.  And frankly, a far larger share than that still aren’t “the good ones” because they do nothing about the bad ones.  So they aren’t really “good” either.

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  24. AMD Texas Coolidge
    AMD Texas
    @DarinJohnson

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    I’m curious. Who do you think is NOT going to vote for Trump now due to the conviction?

    I’m sure there are quite a few who will refuse to vote for a “felon”. It’s a big country, with all sorts of people. I have a friend who is pretty conservative but had already declared he’d not vote for Trump this time around. This isn’t due to the conviction, per se, but due to the prosecutions and, I think, the J6 stuff.

    I have a couple of similar friends. They both bought the J6 drivel but that was because they absolutely detested Trump because of his persona. They could never see past that to the things he did right…like govern.

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  25. Acook Coolidge
    Acook
    @Acook

    I have a friend who is basically conservative but hates Trump. Didn’t vote for him last time (I think she went 3rd party), probably doesn’t matter in our state. But she’s probably going to vote for him this time, and it’s all due to this lawfare.   After the verdict came out, she had a text to me before I could get one to her. She was disgusted. But more inclined to vote for him. 

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  26. Drew in Texas Coolidge
    Drew in Texas
    @Dbroussa

    Annefy (View Comment):
    I come from a long line of people suspicious of law enforcement so that doesn’t apply to me. 

    Still waiting for anyone on R> to vote for that outcome.  Right now it is 28 no change, 1 will now vote, and 0 will now not vote.

    https://ricochet.com/1649791/guilty-of-being-orange/

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Acook (View Comment):

    I have a friend who is basically conservative but hates Trump. Didn’t vote for him last time (I think she went 3rd party), probably doesn’t matter in our state. But she’s probably going to vote for him this time, and it’s all due to this lawfare. After the verdict came out, she had a text to me before I could get one to her. She was disgusted. But more inclined to vote for him.

    There’s a good argument to be made that even if someone (foolishly) thinks Trump was a BAD president, it’s important to vote for him now just because of what’s been done to him, and to all of us.

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  28. AMD Texas Coolidge
    AMD Texas
    @DarinJohnson

    kedavis (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

    I guess white people might be why “Back the blue, until it happens to you” was invented.

    I still back the Blue 90% of the time. I have police officers and criminals in my family. Sorry but the POPO happens to be the most trustworthy out of that group. I don’t believe that is a coincidence or different ion the general pop.

    10% is still way too high. And frankly, a far larger share than that still aren’t “the good ones” because they do nothing about the bad ones. So they aren’t really “good” either.

    Yes, I know your talking point and, as I said, I have both sides in the family.  A far larger amount than you give credit do oppose the bad ones. They just don’t post inflammatory youtube videos because they see them as counterproductive.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Drew in Texas (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):
    I come from a long line of people suspicious of law enforcement so that doesn’t apply to me.

    Still waiting for anyone on R> to vote for that outcome. Right now it is 28 no change, 1 will now vote, and 0 will now not vote.

    https://ricochet.com/1649791/guilty-of-being-orange/

    The 1 “will now vote” doesn’t really count because it’s Annefy who also voted “no change.”

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    It’s been recently reported that Trump is doing better than normal among blacks, especially younger black men. One theory is that this group that as been conditioned to believe “the man” is out to get them — that the justice system is the “just us” system — is feeling more sympathetic to Trump because he’s being prosecuted persecuted.

    I suspect that the number of votes that Trump loses due to the conviction may be less than the number he gains, especially from younger blacks. I guess we’ll see.

    Not to go off topic, but I’m a 65 year old granny, white and solidly middle class. And I have no faith in the justice system, so I think the attitude you’ve spoken of is not just limited to blacks.

    I’ll go into details if requested (don’t want to derail the thread), but I’ve had my share of experiences with cops and with judges; even prosecutors and investigators when I assisted on an attempted murder trial. Every. Single. Experience. has worn my trust down to nil.

    I guess white people might be why “Back the blue, until it happens to you” was invented.

    I still back the Blue 90% of the time. I have police officers and criminals in my family. Sorry but the POPO happens to be the most trustworthy out of that group. I don’t believe that is a coincidence or different ion the general pop.

    10% is still way too high. And frankly, a far larger share than that still aren’t “the good ones” because they do nothing about the bad ones. So they aren’t really “good” either.

    Yes, I know your talking point and, as I said, I have both sides in the family. A far larger amount than you give credit do oppose the bad ones. They just don’t post inflammatory youtube videos because they see them as counterproductive.

    It seems unlikely that you go around with your police relatives and see them in their day to day activities.

    I’d be happy to see any videos of “good cops” stopping the bad ones.  They would certainly get coverage, not ignored.  The only one I’ve ever seen is where one cop pulled back a sergeant or something who was threatening the life of a handcuffed etc suspect; that’s the one where none of the other cops standing around did anything, and when the sergeant or something grabbed that GOOD cop by the throat, the other cops STILL did nothing.  And that one good cop wound up leaving because the other cops turned on them.  Essentially, the entire department.

    But, do go on.

     

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