Rewarding Terrorism

 

Don’t you admire countries that reward Arab terrorists and then deny that they are anti-Semitic? That’s what Spain, Norway and Ireland would have us believe as they declare their support of a Palestinian state. Their justifications for this move are absurd and dangerous.

Many countries want to get on that bandwagon:

Earlier in May, 143 of the 193 members of the U.N. General Assembly voted in favor of a resolution requesting Palestine become a full member of the U.N. It previously had U.N. observer status only.

Why is this proposal such a bad idea? First, it’s based on false premises:

‘In the midst of a war, with tens of thousands killed and injured, we must keep alive the only alternative that offers a political solution for Israelis and Palestinians alike: Two states, living side by side, in peace and security,’ said Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre.

What world does Støre live in? What makes him think that the Palestinians would live in “peace and security” if they resided side-by-side with Israel? Why is it the only alternative? As if these expectations were not foolish enough, they also make demands that clearly punish Israel and favor the Palestinians:

The territorial demarcation between the state of Palestine and the state of Israel should be based on the pre-1967 borders, with Jerusalem as the capital of both states, and without prejudice to a final settlement on borders, including the use of land swaps . . .

At the same time as it recognises Palestine as a state, Norway also has clear expectations that the new Palestinian Government will continue the effort to implement democratic reform, strengthen the judiciary and combat corruption.

Do these expectations sound even remotely possible to you?

Needless to say, the Palestinians are celebrating these declarations. They see them as a recognition of the righteousness of their October 7 attack on Israel.

One puzzling statement I read made no sense:

In a few days, Norway will be chairing an international partner meeting about Palestine in Brussels, where the new Palestinian Prime Minister and Government will be presenting their reform plans. We are hoping to make some major progress there,’ said Mr Eide.

It seems that the Norwegians have already been facilitating the Palestinians forming their government and making plans. Did I miss that effort?

Norway is living in a delusional dream, as they make this statement:

The recognition of Palestine as a state means that Norway will consider Palestine to be an independent state with the rights and duties this entails. This includes, among other things, the expectation from Norway that all relations with  Palestine will be founded on the fundamental rules of international law regarding independence, equality and peaceful coexistence (italics are mine).

Whatever makes them think that the Palestinians will comply with their expectations is beyond my understanding.

To add to the lack of credibility of the Palestinians, outsiders are prepared to believe the Palestinian/Hamas public relations and disregard Israel’s. The outsiders have become convinced that the Palestinians are on the brink of famine (which they’ve claimed for months). That belief is contradicted by the evidence:

Specifically, the Israeli researchers found that on average, between January and April, 124 trucks carrying food and humanitarian aid entered Gaza per day. That adds up to 3,211 calories worth of nutrition per Gazan, per day. The World Health Organization standard for calorie consumption is 2,900 per day for average-sized men and 2,200 per day for average-sized women.

Unfortunately, if there is a shortage of food, Hamas is to blame as it collects the aid for its own members and families.

In addition, the Palestinians keep claiming that 35,000 casualties have resulted from the war. The facts are that a large percentage of those killed are Hamas soldiers, not civilians.

Their commitment to the truth is sadly lacking.

The consequences of these declarations are far-reaching. Think of the message this sends to Palestinians and Hamas:

The recognition of a Palestinian state, even if it is merely a symbolic action that has no bearing on the reality on the ground, sends two messages to the Palestinians. First, that terrorism against Jews is justified and worthwhile because the world, instead of punishing you, will reward you for your crimes.

Second, that the Palestinians will not need to negotiate thorny issues with Israel, such as borders and the status of Jerusalem, because the international community will grant them everything on a platter.

Israel has not been consulted in these efforts, which is not only an insult, but is impractical in many ways. These countries want to act as if these decisions are solely in the hands of the Palestinians, who have shown repeatedly that they support Hamas and even participated in the October 7 attack. To assume that the Palestinians will be peaceful neighbors is naïve; when they had the opportunity to govern without Israel, these were the steps they took:

Instead, Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups chose to use the funds to build ‘a city under a city’ — 400 miles of terrorist tunnels from which to attack Israel — because their true goal has always been, and remains, not to live next to Israel, but to replace Israel. Basically, as Hamas openly states in its charter, its aim to eliminate the only homeland of the Jewish people and murder as many Jews as possible. It appears that the Europeans wish to finish the task that Hitler started — the secret reason they are assisting the Palestinians in achieving this goal.

This will not end well.

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  1. TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'. Coolidge
    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'.
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Just visceral loathing.

    Meme That is why you fail - Yoda

    • #31
  2. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Seven  EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.)  So three more may.  I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’.  It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

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  3. J Climacus Member
    J Climacus
    @JClimacus

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

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  4. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    Do you suppose that the Irish Times gives a rip?

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  5. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    AMD Texas (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I really admire the tenacity of Zionist propagandists, with their absurd and unfair framing of the issue. I can’t help but be impressed with the chutzpah, with few exceptions.

    Netanyahu and Ban Gvir are exceptions. I can’t summon even a grudging admiration for them. Just visceral loathing.

    I have visceral loathing of anti-Semites and anti-Zionist propagandists. Take of that what you will

    I’m certainly with you on that; that’s why I stopped reading a certain member’s posts, too much off the wall hatred.

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  6. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    No state has a ‘right to exist’.  But in terms of recognising each other, I’d imagine that would be part of making peace.

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  7. Charles Mark Member
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    @CharlesMark

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    The Irish Times has a strong Pro-Palestinian bias, and the editorial from which this quotation is taken reflects that bias. Some of the countries who have ruminated about recognising a state of Palestine have held back, on the basis that “the timing isn’t right”. 
    Both Hamas and Iran have welcomed the action of the three States, and Hamas has called it the result of their “resistance”. The move has clearly emboldened Hamas and in my view amounts to taking a side in an active war. 

    Ireland often talks about bringing the benefit of its experience of helping to reach peace in Northern Ireland through the Good Friday Agreement. That agreement would never have been reached if the IRA and other paramilitaries had not first decommissioned their arms and sworn off violence- which is the reverse of what is happening in the present case. 

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  8. J Climacus Member
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    @JClimacus

    Zafar (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    No state has a ‘right to exist’. But in terms of recognising each other, I’d imagine that would be part of making peace.

    Unfortunately Hamas is dedicated to destroying and replacing Israel, not living alongside her. So the creation of a Palestinian state would solve nothing as far as peace is concerned.

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  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Zafar (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    No state has a ‘right to exist’. But in terms of recognising each other, I’d imagine that would be part of making peace.

    You could have stopped at “No”.

     

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  10. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    No state has a ‘right to exist’. But in terms of recognising each other, I’d imagine that would be part of making peace.

    Unfortunately Hamas is dedicated to destroying and replacing Israel, not living alongside her. So the creation of a Palestinian state would solve nothing as far as peace is concerned.

    Great, now do that for Likud and its charter platform.

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  11. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Seven EU members already recognise Palestine: Palestine: Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden and Cyprus. (I think some of the Eastern European ones ‘inherited’ that from Soviet times.) So three more may. I think it’s a mistake to cast it as ‘rewarding Hamas’. That’s like casting recognition of Israel as ‘condoning the Nakba’. It is not really helpful.

    From the Irish Times:

    Recognising the Palestinian State now, based on the UN recognised borders of 1967, allows Palestine negotiate the terms of its existence with the increasing support of global nations. Ireland, having itself broken free of the yoke of colonialism, is perfectly placed to understand the importance, albeit symbolic, of this recognition. We have learned on this island that terrorism only flourishes the absence of a just society for all, and isolating terrorists only comes about when a peaceful alternative is presented. Nobody supporting the recognition of the Palestinian state could want Hamas to be part of any government therein

     

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    No state has a ‘right to exist’. But in terms of recognising each other, I’d imagine that would be part of making peace.

    You could have stopped at “No”.

     

    Tell me why states have a ‘right to exist’. I’ll wait.

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  12. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Prior to Oct 7, 2023 there was a de-facto 3 state solution. Israel, Gaza, West Bank. Each had international borders. Each had some degree of international relations with countries not on their borders. 

    This new recognition erases or melds two of those entities into one. My question is who is the leader of this new entity. 

    All of this is theater. 

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  13. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Tell me why states have a ‘right to exist’. I’ll wait.

    Well, one of them does, because God said so about 3500-ish years ago.

    But you are right, there is no ‘right’ for a Palestinian state to exist.

    This was pretty succinct, are you glad you waited?

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  14. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    • #44
  15. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Will the new Palestine recognize the right of Israel to exist?

    No state has a ‘right to exist’. But in terms of recognising each other, I’d imagine that would be part of making peace.

    You could have stopped at “No”.

     

    Tell me why states have a ‘right to exist’. I’ll wait.

    Glad you agree that the Palestinians have no right to a state.

    On the other hand, Israel does exist and has the means to defend itself and keep existing.

     

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  16. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    On the other hand, Israel does exist and has the means to defend itself and keep existing.

    And it is a good thing that the Palestinians don’t.

    • #46
  17. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Zafar (View Comment):
    No state has a ‘right to exist’.

    We must put Zafar’s words in context: Traditional Islamic doctrine recognizes no legitimate authority other than Islam: The very concept of the nation-state is blasphemy. And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.

    Similarly, when Muslims talk about “making peace”, they only mean a temporary truce until they are ready to resume making war.

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  18. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I really admire the tenacity of Zionist propagandists, with their absurd and unfair framing of the issue. I can’t help but be impressed with the chutzpah, with few exceptions.

    Netanyahu and Ban Gvir are exceptions. I can’t summon even a grudging admiration for them. Just visceral loathing.

    It takes an admirable tenacity to flaunt your anti-Jewish propaganda and absurd framing of their issues on this conservative website.  I can’t help but be impressed with your Chutzpah, a professed strong Christian, whose contempt for Israel and the Jewish people and open hatred for Netanyahu and Ban Gvir (whoever that is) belies all Christian principles.  What are the other Christian and conservative values that you despise?

    • #48
  19. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    No state has a ‘right to exist’.

    We must put Zafar’s words in context: Traditional Islamic doctrine recognizes no legitimate authority other than Islam: The very concept of the nation-state is blasphemy. And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.

    Similarly, when Muslims talk about “making peace”, they only mean a temporary truce until they are ready to resume making war.

    Just because it’s been that way every single time throughout the history of the history of Islam is no reason to believe it will be that way this time.

    • #49
  20. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Percival (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    No state has a ‘right to exist’.

    We must put Zafar’s words in context: Traditional Islamic doctrine recognizes no legitimate authority other than Islam: The very concept of the nation-state is blasphemy. And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.

    Similarly, when Muslims talk about “making peace”, they only mean a temporary truce until they are ready to resume making war.

    Just because it’s been that way every single time throughout the history of the history of Islam is no reason to believe it will be that way this time.

    Classic headline meme: “Not All Muslims Bomb Church and Murder Nuns”.

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  21. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I really admire the tenacity of Zionist propagandists, with their absurd and unfair framing of the issue. I can’t help but be impressed with the chutzpah, with few exceptions.

    Netanyahu and Ban Gvir are exceptions. I can’t summon even a grudging admiration for them. Just visceral loathing.

    It takes an admirable tenacity to flaunt your anti-Jewish propaganda and absurd framing of their issues on this conservative website. I can’t help but be impressed with your Chutzpah, a professed strong Christian, whose contempt for Israel and the Jewish people and open hatred for Netanyahu and Ban Gvir (whoever that is) belies all Christian principles. What are the other Christian and conservative values that you despise?

    I’ve noticed that, for a supposed Christian, Jerry is strangely silent about Muslim oppression of Christians.

    • #51
  22. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    Don’t forget our democrat-led government is using our taxpayer dollars to build a port and to resupply Hamas so it can continue to attack Israel, murder civilians, and rape women. 

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  23. Rodin Moderator
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    @Rodin

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Don’t forget our democrat-led government is using our taxpayer dollars to build a port and to resupply Hamas so it can continue to attack Israel, murder civilians, and rape women.

    Apparently the weather/sea conditions are not cooperating

    • #53
  24. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    No state has a ‘right to exist’.

    We must put Zafar’s words in context: Traditional Islamic doctrine recognizes no legitimate authority other than Islam: The very concept of the nation-state is blasphemy.

    That’s me baby.  Godless homosexual by day, working for the Caliphate by night. (I’m not tired yet.)

    And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.

    Really @susanquinn – you think the dual loyalty trope is fine so long as it isn’t pointed at you?  Really?

     

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  25. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Really @susanquinn – you think the dual loyalty trope is fine so long as it isn’t pointed at you?  Really?

    What are you talking about?

    • #55
  26. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Really @ susanquinn – you think the dual loyalty trope is fine so long as it isn’t pointed at you? Really?

    What are you talking about?

    “And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.”

    Edited to add:

    It’s like someone saying “while people like Susan live in America they’ll betray it sooner or later”.

    • #56
  27. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Really @ susanquinn – you think the dual loyalty trope is fine so long as it isn’t pointed at you? Really?

    What are you talking about?

    “And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.”

    What does that comment have to do with me? What dual loyalty am I demonstrating?

    • #57
  28. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Really @ susanquinn – you think the dual loyalty trope is fine so long as it isn’t pointed at you? Really?

    What are you talking about?

    “And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.”

    What does that comment have to do with me? What dual loyalty am I demonstrating?

    You aren’t Susan.  That’s my point.

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  29. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Really @ susanquinn – you think the dual loyalty trope is fine so long as it isn’t pointed at you? Really?

    What are you talking about?

    “And thus while people like Zafar may enjoy living in the West, they nonetheless despise it and will betray it sooner or later.”

    What does that comment have to do with me? What dual loyalty am I demonstrating?

    You aren’t Susan. That’s my point.

    This one is over my head!

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  30. TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'. Coolidge
    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'.
    @RobtGilsdorf

    I believe that what Zafar is saying is that there are people who claim that American Jews’ patriotism is questioned because they owe loyalty to Israel or at least Judaism. 

    And that Zafar is not one of the people who says that but that he resents the claim that Islamic people cannot be loyal to the country they live in. 

    I take no position on this, I am merely – I hope – clarifying. 

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