“Transgender” Logic? Scam?

 

I continue not to see the logic of the claim that “transgenderism” is real or that I should take it seriously.

I know, you may point out that logic might be too much to expect from the advocates of “transgenderism.” Maybe I’ve missed some logic that would make sense of the concept of “transgenderism.” If I don’t see the logic, I’m not likely to buy the principle, and I will continue to mock “transgenderism” as a phony idea. So, anyone who expects me to take “transgenderism” seriously had better come up with some real logic.

For this discussion, I’m thinking only of boys and men who pretend to be girls and women. Increasingly boys and men claiming to be girls and women looks like a scam to take from girls and women.

When a man says he “feels like” a woman, what does he mean? What is it to “feel like a woman”? Are there any objective criteria that can be applied to that determination? Any measurable criteria? Any criteria observable by other people?

So far I see lots of evidence that boys and men pretending to be girls and women remain very much male in their sexual interests.

There have been plenty of stories and rumors about the sexual interests of male-pretending-to-be-female swimmer William “Lia” Thomas that suggest he very much retains sexual interests that are common among men.

Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner, despite a penchant for wearing dresses, reportedly continues to pursue biologically normal male-female relations with women.

Male criminals have claimed to be “transgender,” been transferred to women’s prisons, and then impregnated female inmates.

Reports of middle school and high school boys claiming to be “transgender” bear indications that these boys are really just seeking a way to get into the girls’ restrooms and locker rooms either to see naked girls or to sexually assault girls.

I most recently ran into a report of a middle school boy pretending to be female and competing on the girls’ track and field team who (according to a girl on the team) sexually harassed the girl. The girl reports that the boy who claims to be a girl used vulgar language to taunt her with plans to use his male sex organ to engage the girl’s female sex organ. Expressing a plan to use his male sex organ as a male sex organ is NOT consistent with his claim that he’s really a girl. If the girl’s report is true, the boy is undermining his own “transgender” claim.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/middle-school-girls-parents-say-trans-identifying-boy-sexually-harassed-daughter-as-he-beat-her-in-sports?topStoryPosition=4

Such male sexual interests by athletes, criminals, teens, and others, belie any self-declared status as “women.”

Boys and men pretending to be women seem to seek one of two objectives (or maybe some combination): 1) take from girls and women honors that belong to girls and women (sports participation and awards, or other achievements such as the first woman surgeon general), or 2) gain sexual access to girls and women.

Even before getting to all the damage adults cause to confused people (especially youth) under the name “transgenderism,” the “transgender” movement seems at best a scam, especially the male-pretending-to-be-female side, to take from women. No one should be taking this “transgender” movement seriously.

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  1. Max Knots Member
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    Most sensible folks believe this. You have to be thoroughly indoctrinated over several years to buy this horribly destructive dangerous nonsense. It has become a secular religion by which you proclaim your moral superiority to those premoderns who believe in biology. It’s also a sort of pagan child sacrifice where adults sacrifice their children”s futures for their own moral preening. The world has seen civilizations go this path before and it never ends well.

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  2. Jim McConnell Member
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    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

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  3. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    spok Memes & GIFs - Imgflip

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  4. Arahant Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    It does happen. In fact there was a high-profile actress who decided she was a male. Then she disappeared for some reason.

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  5. Arahant Member
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    We are told there are fifty-seven genders. We have been told there are no differences between boys and girls. So, why is this so binary? Why does the boy/man think they are a girl/woman? What defines a woman? Why do they think they need to do certain things to look like women?

    In the Eighteenth Century, a man had long hair to show he was healthy. Men often wore wigs to fake it. Now, if a man starts growing out his hair, it’s probably because he wants to look more like a woman. Scottish men wear kilts. If one wants to wear open clothing down below, one does not have to be a woman. Men in many countries throughout history have worn make-up of one form or another. There is nothing that we associate with women in our current culture that has been exclusively so throughout history.

    Other than having babies.

    It’s the same on the other side. We have burials from thousands of years ago of women with weapons. That obviously did not make them men. What makes a man a man? Apparently being able to beat women in certain sports.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    We are told there are fifty-seven genders. We have been told there are no differences between boys and girls. So, why is this so binary? Why does the boy/man think they are a girl/woman? What defines a woman? Why do they think they need to do certain things to look like women?

    I’ve said for quite a while that it’s nonsense to claim that someone thinks they “should be” the opposite sex, because nobody knows – or can know – what that feels like.  The most they can know is that they don’t feel right the way they are.  And that’s calling for psychiatry or something, not surgery.

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  7. Tex929rr Coolidge
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  8. TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'. Coolidge
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    There are some but they don’t make the news as much because they aren’t stealing women’s sports accomplishments. 

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  9. TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'. Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    It does happen. In fact there was a high-profile actress who decided she was a male. Then she disappeared for some reason.

    Do you mean the woman from Juno

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  10. KCK Member
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    I can’t see much wrong with an adult who wishes to pretend to be a member of the other sex, provided that there is no infringement on anyone else’s privacy or safety. For all I care, such people can even choose to undergo the radical cosmetic surgery that is sometimes called “gender-affirming care” as long as I am not compelled to pay for it.

    But men competing in women’s sports? No. Children being subjected to “sex change” surgery or puberty blockers? Hell no.

    One of the books on my to-read list is Crossing: A Memoir by the free-market economist Deirdre (formerly Donald) McCloskey.

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  11. Susan Quinn Member
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    Those who still doubt might want to check out my recent post https://ricochet.com/1644069/activist-judges-endanger-our-children-on-transgenderism/  and the recent work of Hilary Cass in the UK.

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  12. Susan Quinn Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):
    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    Abigail Shrier has written a book on all the girls who want to be boys. It’s tragic.

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  13. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    I know of one.  Knew the crazy parent,  never met the crazy kid.

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  14. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    There is no logic, it is a cultural fad, the cool thing to do.  It is especially prevalent in Hollywood types who all have trans children.  They claim they are letting their kids be their “true selves”.  Very chic, the ultimate in virtue signaling.

    Then the kids who are normal, see this crap and want to emulate it.  

    Adults who disagree are shamed, banned, coerced into “affirming” their children.  Schools embrace, support and encourage the trans movement. often times deliberately hiding this from the parents. What kid doesn’t go thru a phase where they want to rebel from authority?  The perfect plan.  They can be trans and stick it to the parents.  Trans kids have the additional benefit of not having to be responsible for anything, school work, behaviors, etc.  They can not be criticized, nor disciplined.  

    This period in our history will be viewed much like Mengele’s experiments. Pure evil. 

     

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  15. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):
    Adults who disagree are shamed, banned, coerced into “affirming” their children. 

    And on cue, this happens

    Exclusive: The Scottish Greens have expelled a number of members who declared “sex is a biological reality”. An official complaint accused them of making the party less safe for trans and non-binary members.

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  16. Full Size Tabby Member
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    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs… (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    There are some but they don’t make the news as much because they aren’t stealing women’s sports accomplishments.

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):
    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    Abigail Shrier has written a book on all the girls who want to be boys. It’s tragic.

    There is actually quite a bit of girls pretending to be boys. Mostly tween and teen girls.

    The dynamics for girls pretending to be boys appear completely different from the boys pretending to be girls. I think the girls pretending to be boys is largely due to mal-education perpetrated by the feminist movement. And mostly occurs among girls who are either 1) part of a social group of girls in which doing so provides social credit as following the latest trend, or 2) the offspring of women who are in a social group among which having a “transgender” child provides social credit for being with the latest social trend. 

    As to 1), I think  Ms. Shrier was one of several people who noted that girls pretending to be boys tend to happen in groups, and appear relatively quickly in the group. As to 2), a number of those mothers are in the entertainment industries or [leftist] politics. 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    It does happen. In fact there was a high-profile actress who decided she was a male. Then she disappeared for some reason.

    Ellen/Elliot Page.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    KCK (View Comment):

    I can’t see much wrong with an adult who wishes to pretend to be a member of the other sex, provided that there is no infringement on anyone else’s privacy or safety. For all I care, such people can even choose to undergo the radical cosmetic surgery that is sometimes called “gender-affirming care” as long as I am not compelled to pay for it.

    But then which public bathrooms should they use?

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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  20. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    There may be few media reports, but it does happen.  One of my wife’s high school classmates was a girl who, as an adult, had sex reassignment surgery.  She eventually committed suicide, as quite a few people do after they realize that sex reassignment did not fix their emotional problems.

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  21. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Arahant (View Comment):
    Now, if a man starts growing out his hair, it’s probably because he wants to look more like a woman.

    Or he just has gorgeous hair and wants to make the most of it.

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  22. Arahant Member
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    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs… (View Comment):
    Do you mean the woman from Juno

    Could be. I haven’t paid attention to much of pop culture in a long time. The last time I paid attention, Richard Brinsley Sheridan was still writing.

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  23. Arahant Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    Now, if a man starts growing out his hair, it’s probably because he wants to look more like a woman.

    Or he just has gorgeous hair and wants to make the most of it.

    Sure, as we both know.

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  24. Full Size Tabby Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    KCK (View Comment):

    I can’t see much wrong with an adult who wishes to pretend to be a member of the other sex, provided that there is no infringement on anyone else’s privacy or safety. For all I care, such people can even choose to undergo the radical cosmetic surgery that is sometimes called “gender-affirming care” as long as I am not compelled to pay for it.

    But then which public bathrooms should they use?

    Restrooms and locker rooms are where I anticipate many coming problems. We have so far become aware of only a few isolated sexual assaults on females in restrooms and locker rooms. But if as I suspect many of the boys and men pretending to be girls and women are doing so for their own sexual gratification,  and if it becomes socially and legally acceptable for boys and men pretending to be girls and women to use the girls’ and women’s spaces, those assaults will become more common. 

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  25. Annefy Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    There may be few media reports, but it does happen. One of my wife’s high school classmates was a girl who, as an adult, had sex reassignment surgery. She eventually committed suicide, as quite a few people do after they realize that sex reassignment did not fix their emotional problems.

    The suicide rate pre and post surgery doesn’t change because the underlying psychological issue is unaddressed by affirming care. 

    A loved one was actually told by a doc: would you rather have a dead son or an alive daughter? 

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  26. Susan Quinn Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):
    A loved one was actually told by a doc: would you rather have a dead son or an alive daughter?

    I would think the disillusionment from making the “transition,” and then having it fail to make the person feel better, would exacerbate the depression.

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  27. namlliT noD Member
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    I continue not to see the logic of the claim that “transgenderism” is real or that I should take it seriously.

    It makes complete sense if you understand that it’s enemy action.  Asymmetric warfare.  A psyop.  

    China: Wants to damage the US, owns TikTok, has a ton of money, traditional warfare would be messy.

    Democrat Party: An oppression narrative and sowing division are effective political weapons.  We can now call our opponents “transphobic”.

    Mass media: Happy to assist.  See Jazz Jennings.  This is effectively Orwell’s “2 + 2 = 5”.

    Medical industries: Profit

    DEI: An excuse to place more puppets in positions of power.  Levine, Fram, Britton, etc.

    Department of Education: Count us in! 

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  28. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    There may be few media reports, but it does happen. One of my wife’s high school classmates was a girl who, as an adult, had sex reassignment surgery. She eventually committed suicide, as quite a few people do after they realize that sex reassignment did not fix their emotional problems.

    The suicide rate pre and post surgery doesn’t change because the underlying psychological issue is unaddressed by affirming care.

    A loved one was actually told by a doc: would you rather have a dead son or an alive daughter?

    I’ve heard that phrase often enough that I presume it is commonly recited to parents.  I definitely feel sympathy for people who feel so estranged from societal norms they want to kill themselves.  And whether it is bulimia, sexual disorientation, or whatever trendy psychological disorder comes along that some teenage girls want to get in on, it’s no picnic for the parents or the kids.  But the medical profession should be looking for answers that work, not destructive medical procedures that typically leave the patients just as depressed, if not more.  Perhaps there are professionals who have come up with some useful therapies, but they aren’t getting the media attention that proponents of gender-affirming care get.

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  29. Jim McConnell Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    We are told there are fifty-seven genders. We have been told there are no differences between boys and girls. So, why is this so binary? Why does the boy/man think they are a girl/woman? What defines a woman? Why do they think they need to do certain things to look like women?

    I’ve said for quite a while that it’s nonsense to claim that someone thinks they “should be” the opposite sex, because nobody knows – or can know – what that feels like. The most they can know is that they don’t feel right the way they are. And that’s calling for psychiatry or something, not surgery.

    Well put.

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  30. Jim McConnell Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t seen any media reports of “transgenderism” going the other way. If this “transgender” craze were authentic, wouldn’t we be seeing a few women “transgendering” into men? Maybe there is no gain of fortune or fame in going that way.

    It does happen. In fact there was a high-profile actress who decided she was a male. Then she disappeared for some reason.

    Ellen/Elliot Page.

    George Eliot

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