Who knows?

 

At some point in the past year, there was a post discussing Covid vaccine injuries.

I commented several times in the thread that there was no way the amount of vaccine injuries, and what the injuries were,  could be determined because no one was asking the correct questions.

I recounted the experience that JY and I had with the medical community in Feb 2023 when he suffered a stroke.

Five days in the hospital with more medical professionals than I can count. Followed by many, many doctor visits (GP, cardiologists,  neurologists, in three different states).

At no point, and I mean NOT ONCE was an inquiry made on JY’s Covid vaccine status.

I was assured over and over by a couple of commenters that no inquiry was made, because OF COURSE, JY’s status would be known to all the professionals treating him. Which I knew was nonsense and opined that they aren’t asking the question because they literally don’t want to know the answer

In The NY Times:

From the article:

The nation’s fragmented health care system complicates detection of very rare side effects, a process that depends on an analysis of huge amounts of data. That’s a difficult task when a patient may be tested for Covid at Walgreens, get vaccinated at CVS, go to a local clinic for minor ailments and seek care at a hospital for serious conditions. Each place may rely on different health record systems.
There is no central repository of vaccine recipients, nor of medical records, and no easy to way to pool these data. Reports to the largest federal database of so-called adverse events can be made by anyone, about anything. It’s not even clear what officials should be looking for.

PS. Note the editorializing : “very rare”.  Who knows ?

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  1. Percival Thatcher
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    Anecdotes don’t become data unless someone counts them.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Who knows indeed.

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  3. Seawriter Contributor
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Anecdotes don’t become data unless someone counts them.

    Which is a reason not to count them, if they contradict your narrative.  

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  4. Terence Smith Coolidge
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    I hope JY has recovered fully.

    Since it wouldn’t matter as to treatment I can see why they would not even ask about vaccination status. It would just raise questions to which they would have no answer.

    The best place to uncover any potential harm would be in the large randomized clinical trials which understandably but unfortunately were cut short so its hard to really know. 

    Annefy: Note the editorializing : “very rare”.  Who knows ?

    This is a very good point.  Does “very rare” mean 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100000?  

    Same with the mostly mild cardititis that occurred  young people. How often is it serious cardititis? How much heart damage is “mild”. Is it permanent? Not a lot of good info and most of it is coming from Europe.

    What is also an acceptable level of risk is also very subjective. 

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  5. Annefy Coolidge
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    Terence Smith (View Comment):

    -snip

    Annefy: Note the editorializing : “very rare”. Who knows ?

    This is a very good point. Does “very rare” mean 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100000?

    You’re making a different point. My point is that they don’t even know if it’s 1 in 1,000 or 1 in 10,000.

    Why don’t they know? Because they’re not asking.

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  6. Annefy Coolidge
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    Terence Smith (View Comment):

    I hope JY has recovered fully.

    Since it wouldn’t matter as to treatment I can see why they would not even ask about vaccination status. It would just raise questions to which they would have no answer.

    The best place to uncover any potential harm would be in the large randomized clinical trials which understandably but unfortunately were cut short so its hard to really know.

    Maybe they would know if vaccine status was inquired about when presenting with a possible side effect. Blood clots and strokes are actually noted as possible side effects by the manufacturer  

    PS. JY has recovered fully. Luckily I was home (a week later that wouldn’t have been the case) and his treatment was swift and effective. 

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  7. EODmom Coolidge
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Terence Smith (View Comment):

    -snip

    Annefy: Note the editorializing : “very rare”. Who knows ?

    This is a very good point. Does “very rare” mean 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100000?

    You’re making a different point. My point is that they don’t even know if it’s 1 in 1,000 or 1 in 10,000.

    Why don’t they know? Because they’re not asking.

    They are not asking because (I suspect) they’ve been directed to not inquire and also because by now they have sufficient anecdotal evidence to suspect a connection but can do nothing about it and no counter measures are developed or publicized as available. One cannot be too cynical or skeptical about this, as in other things. 

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  8. WillowSpring Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):
    Why don’t they know? Because they’re not asking

    A couple of years ago when “deer wasting disease” was in the news we had a deer in the field next door which obviously had neural problems..  It was young-ish, but just stood there even when you approached it with its head down.

    I called animal control who showed up and ended up shooting the deer.  I asked if our county was having the wasting problems and the answer was that “there are no reports”.  I then asked who he reported the incident to and the answer was that there was no way to report it.

    No sense of irony…..

     

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  9. Brian J Bergs Coolidge
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    The overall lack of a thorough post-mortem of the Covid epidemic continues to irritate me.  We have a fantastic opportunity to review a mountain of data including Covid injuries.  I have family members who were injured by the vaccine, others financially/morally injured by refusing to take the vaccine.  What did we learn from all the shut-downs, the vaccine requirements, etc.?  We have state by state, nation by nation data on this crazy epidemic.  There is so much to be learned but no organization seems to want to study in a thorough manner.

    We will have another epidemic.  We can be better prepared.  It just takes intellectual curiosity.  

     

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  10. Steve Fast Member
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    Annefy: At no point, and I mean NOT ONCE was an inquiry made on JY’s Covid vaccine status.

    If he had not been vaccinated and they knew that, then they would likely have had to take all kinds of precautions. And perhaps would have had to refuse him treatment. But if they just assumed that he had been vaccinated and didn’t ask, then all was OK.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Annefy: At no point, and I mean NOT ONCE was an inquiry made on JY’s Covid vaccine status.

    If he had not been vaccinated and they knew that, then they would likely have had to take all kinds of precautions. And perhaps would have had to refuse him treatment. But if they just assumed that he had been vaccinated and didn’t ask, then all was OK.

    That seems pretty likely, for the time.

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  12. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Brian J Bergs (View Comment):

    The overall lack of a thorough post-mortem of the Covid epidemic continues to irritate me. We have a fantastic opportunity to review a mountain of data including Covid injuries. I have family members who were injured by the vaccine, others financially/morally injured by refusing to take the vaccine. What did we learn from all the shut-downs, the vaccine requirements, etc.? We have state by state, nation by nation data on this crazy epidemic. There is so much to be learned but no organization seems to want to study in a thorough manner.

    We will have another epidemic. We can be better prepared. It just takes intellectual curiosity.

     

    Unless the Dr. Fauci’s of the world, in cahoots with totalitarian dictatorial governments bent on dominating the world, are restrained from creating humanized viruses in labs for preparation for germ warfare, and then dangerous vaccines minimally tested to “save” us, we will have another epidemic. And another dangerous vaccine foisted on us. 

    Still no good evidence to refute the conspiracy theory that this was all done to cull the human population of the vulnerable to help save the planet. The elites are possibly still hoping that the vaccine will impair fertility of the species long term. Gov Cuomo’s actions suggest that killing off the vulnerable under color of public health was part of the intent. I know, conspiracy theory on steroids. But the attitude of our elites toward us hoi poloi is so virulent it is hard to resist such theories. The problem is not that there are so many who believe conspiracy theories, but that there are so many conspiracy theories that are plausible. It’s a Lily Tomlin problem. So many conspiracy possibilities it is hard to keep up.

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