How to Support the Palestinians

 

Would you like to support the Palestinians?

If so, work hard to get the Palestinians to accept that Israel is their neighbor, that Israel will continue to be their neighbor, and that their own path to security and prosperity involves them choosing for themselves a non-murderous government that will focus on improving the situation of Palestinians rather than using them as cannon fodder in a hopeless genocidal campaign against their Israeli neighbors.

Start with that, and everything else will become possible. Fail to achieve that, and the squalor and misery of the Palestinian people will continue.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from.  Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel.  Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

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  2. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    Start with that, and everything else will become possible. Fail to achieve that, and the squalor and misery of the Palestinian people will continue.

    Squalor and misery are more profitable for the 1%, though. Peace and prosperity requires actual work, and siphoning off international aid is easier. Squalor and misery breeds resentment that can be cheaply shaped and directed to maintain the ruling stats quo; peace and prosperity invites opposition from those who wish to do a better job, or undermine peace.

    Squalor and misery gives you an external foe to blame, since obviously it can’t be the fault of one’s own society or culture or political structures. Peace and prosperity requires constructive engagement with external forces, a sober analysis of what makes those other countries more successful, and an emulation of those attributes where apt.  

    It’s easier to toss rockets. 

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  3. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Start with that, and everything else will become possible. Fail to achieve that, and the squalor and misery of the Palestinian people will continue.

    Squalor and misery are more profitable for the 1%, though. Peace and prosperity requires actual work, and siphoning off international aid is easier. Squalor and misery breeds resentment that can be cheaply shaped and directed to maintain the ruling stats quo; peace and prosperity invites opposition from those who wish to do a better job, or undermine peace.

    Squalor and misery gives you an external foe to blame, since obviously it can’t be the fault of one’s own society or culture or political structures. Peace and prosperity requires constructive engagement with external forces, a sober analysis of what makes those other countries more successful, and an emulation of those attributes where apt.

    It’s easier to toss rockets.

    Hope springs eternal, dude.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Start with that, and everything else will become possible. Fail to achieve that, and the squalor and misery of the Palestinian people will continue.

    Squalor and misery are more profitable for the 1%, though. Peace and prosperity requires actual work, and siphoning off international aid is easier. Squalor and misery breeds resentment that can be cheaply shaped and directed to maintain the ruling stats quo; peace and prosperity invites opposition from those who wish to do a better job, or undermine peace.

    Squalor and misery gives you an external foe to blame, since obviously it can’t be the fault of one’s own society or culture or political structures. Peace and prosperity requires constructive engagement with external forces, a sober analysis of what makes those other countries more successful, and an emulation of those attributes where apt.

    It’s easier to toss rockets.

    But they get the money either way, they don’t have to work harder to spend it on food than on rockets.

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  5. James Lileks Contributor
    James Lileks
    @jameslileks

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of  Kaliningrad exclave. 

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant. 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something.  I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan.  Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from.  And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

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  7. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

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  8. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Jordan wants to make peace with Israel be because they are scared of Iran. But whenever any Arab country accepts war immediately follows.

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  9. TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'. Coolidge
    TBA, sometimes known as 'Teebs'.
    @RobtGilsdorf

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Start with that, and everything else will become possible. Fail to achieve that, and the squalor and misery of the Palestinian people will continue.

    Squalor and misery are more profitable for the 1%, though. Peace and prosperity requires actual work, and siphoning off international aid is easier. Squalor and misery breeds resentment that can be cheaply shaped and directed to maintain the ruling stats quo; peace and prosperity invites opposition from those who wish to do a better job, or undermine peace.

    Squalor and misery gives you an external foe to blame, since obviously it can’t be the fault of one’s own society or culture or political structures. Peace and prosperity requires constructive engagement with external forces, a sober analysis of what makes those other countries more successful, and an emulation of those attributes where apt.

    It’s easier to toss rockets.

    Mossad ’em all and let Allah sort them out. 

    We should also be freezing their assets off. 

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Well yes, my theory was also conditional on the “Palestinians” becoming non-murderous.  If that should turn out to be impossible, perhaps only because THEY won’t allow it, then maybe someone needs to put The Pill in their water supply until they’re all gone.

    P.S. That still wouldn’t be “genocide” because there’s nothing unique about the “Palestinians” except for where they (want to) live.

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  11. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Nobody wants the Palestinians –  Egypt, Jordan, Israel.  Maybe THEY should move to Poland.

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  12. KCVolunteer Lincoln
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Nobody wants the Palestinians – Egypt, Jordan, Israel. Maybe THEY should move to Poland.

    Poland doesn’t want them either.

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  13. Ekosj Member
    Ekosj
    @Ekosj

    Pre-‘48 Jordan made no secret of the fact that they thought the proposed “Palestine” was ludicrous and that the most sensible thing to do was to just incorporate those areas into Jordan.   Their actions at the start of the war are illuminating.    I showed a map (without labels or legends) to an acquaintance who served several tours in Viet Nam.   He was my go-to guy on all things military.   The map showed troop movements in the first few weeks of the war.   I asked him what he thought was going on.   He replied “These guys [Jordan] seem to be occupying their [should-have-been-Palestine] territory … and doing a pretty thorough job of it too.”  

    After the war they kept that land as the spoils of war.   Egypt did the same with Gaza.   It wasn’t until after they lost those possessions in the 6 Day War that “the Palestinians” became an issue.

    All “the Palestinians” had to do to have their own State was, back in 1948, to sit down, shut up, and play nice with their neighbors.   But no.   That was too much to ask.

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    After the war they kept that land as the spoils of war.   Egypt did the same with Gaza.   It wasn’t until after they lost those possessions in the 6 Day War that “the Palestinians” became an issue.

    1967 is a complete red herring.  Arafat started the PLO a couple years before that.

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  15. Old Bathos Member
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    My advice would be

    • Use that penchant for violence to take out the scum who run Palestinian enclaves now.
    • Maybe pick more kid-friendly topics for the kindergarten school play instead of martyrdom and killing Jews. 
    • In that same vein of cultural reform, how about pushing an ethos of accountability and can-do?  When conditions suck let’s not do the inshallah lazy resignation bit nor concoct conspiracy theories.
    • You people are next door to some of the most creative, innovative, productive people on earth.  Why not opt for cooperation, participation, and growth? The Jews would happily invest in that instead of paying overtime to IDF soldiers.

     

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  16. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    • You people are next door to some of the most creative, innovative, productive people on earth. Why not opt for cooperation, participation, and growth?

    Unfortunately, Jewish success is a slap in the face, given that the Koran says Jews are contemptible and inferior.

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  17. Sisyphus Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Nobody wants the Palestinians – Egypt, Jordan, Israel. Maybe THEY should move to Poland.

    I am concerned about this animosity expressed toward Poland. I think the Ross Ice Shelf has some vacancies.

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  18. WI Con Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Nobody wants the Palestinians – Egypt, Jordan, Israel. Maybe THEY should move to Poland.

    Iran.

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  19. cdor Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Actually, I support their re-integrating with Jordan etc, where they originally came from. Which they also have to become non-murderous before that happens, but it would be even better than a “two-state solution” since there is no need for a second state for “Palestinians” that didn’t exist until they were created by Jordan etc, as a cudgel against Israel. Those other countries should undo that, and stop isolating their brothers and sisters and calling them something else.

    Jordan annexed the West Bank in ’48, and for some odd reason did not set it up as an independent Palestinian state. I don’t think Jordan would want the West Bank now; what’s in it for them? And they certainly don’t want Gaza as some sort of Kaliningrad exclave.

    I am not sure many of the protestors on campuses could pick out Jordon on a map or describe how the modern state came to be. It doesn’t seem to be play any role in their understand of the region. In their minds, there was a country called Palestine complete with flags and a national anthem and such, and then a whole bunch of Polish Jews showed up and muscled everyone off because boo-hoo we were Holocausted, like that had anything to do with anything. Everything else is bothersome and irrelevant.

    But I wasn’t suggesting that Jordan take control of the West Bank again, and run it as a separate province or something. I’m suggesting that Jordan take the “Palestinians” – some of them, anyway – back into Jordan. Because that’s where they – some of them, anyway – came from. And it makes more sense for the West Bank, and Gaza too, to just be parts of Israel.

    The last time that was tried, the Palestinians tried to assassinate the king of Jordan. It soured the relationship.

    Nobody wants the Palestinians – Egypt, Jordan, Israel. Maybe THEY should move to Poland.

    Why not Iran? The Mullahs love the Gazans.

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  20. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Well, it looks like two votes for Iran. Anyone else? We just might solve the ME problem right here on Ricochet.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    cdor (View Comment):

    Well, it looks like two votes for Iran. Anyone else? We just might solve the ME problem right here on Ricochet.

    Absolutely!  Move the “Palestinians” to Iran, and then once Iran gets deservedly wiped out, bam!  Two birds with one stone!

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  22. cdor Member
    cdor
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Well, it looks like two votes for Iran. Anyone else? We just might solve the ME problem right here on Ricochet.

    Absolutely! Move the “Palestinians” to Iran, and then once Iran gets deservedly wiped out, bam! Two birds with one stone!

    I love your enthusiasm, KC!

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  23. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    @JoshuaFinch

    The concept of  a “Palestinian people” did not exist before 1967.

    Imagine Latin-Americans suddenly declaring California to be the homeland of the “Californian people,” meaning only those of Latin-American descent, and you get a glimpse of the fraud perpetrated by the Arab world and its useful idiots — governments of nations everywhere, but especially those in the West.

    The P. P. (Palestinian people or peepee) charade is nothing but worldwide agitprop for the destruction of Israel.

     

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  24. Old Bathos Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Well, it looks like two votes for Iran. Anyone else? We just might solve the ME problem right here on Ricochet.

    Iranians are racists.  They regard Arabs as inferiors. I read a comment by a wag that you never hear of an Iranian suicide-bomber because they have Arabs to do that for them.  And besides, the Palestinians are a useful tool to disrupt the region.  The mullahs would sooner strap a bomb vest on every Palestinian and point them towards Israel before they would give them en masse sanctuary.

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  25. Barfly Member
    Barfly
    @Barfly

    Henry, you should welcome the late IDF operations in Gaza, and be disappointed in their hiatus. The only way the “Palestinians” will ever accept Israel is thru pain and loss. 

     

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  26. Charles Mark Member
    Charles Mark
    @CharlesMark

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    The concept of a “Palestinian people” did not exist before 1967.

    Imagine Latin-Americans suddenly declaring California to be the homeland of the “Californian people,” meaning only those of Latin-American descent, and you get a glimpse of the fraud perpetrated by the Arab world and its useful idiots — governments of nations everywhere, but especially those in the West.

    The P. P. (Palestinian people or peepee) charade is nothing but worldwide agitprop for the destruction of Israel.

     

    I think one has to recognise that Arabs have lived in what is now Israel for centuries. What they call themselves, or since when, doesn’t change that. The issue is the rejection by their leaders, and by those who fund and control those leaders, of peaceful coexistence. 

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  27. cdor Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Well, it looks like two votes for Iran. Anyone else? We just might solve the ME problem right here on Ricochet.

    Iranians are racists. They regard Arabs as inferiors. I read a comment by a wag that you never hear of an Iranian suicide-bomber because they have Arabs to do that for them. And besides, the Palestinians are a useful tool to disrupt the region. The mullahs would sooner strap a bomb vest on every Palestinian and point them towards Israel before they would give them en masse sanctuary.

    So true. I wasn’t serious. Sometimes silly comments can alleviate brutally horrifying reality. 

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  28. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    The concept of a “Palestinian people” did not exist before 1967.

    Imagine Latin-Americans suddenly declaring California to be the homeland of the “Californian people,” meaning only those of Latin-American descent, and you get a glimpse of the fraud perpetrated by the Arab world and its useful idiots — governments of nations everywhere, but especially those in the West.

    The P. P. (Palestinian people or peepee) charade is nothing but worldwide agitprop for the destruction of Israel.

     

    I think one has to recognise that Arabs have lived in what is now Israel for centuries. What they call themselves, or since when, doesn’t change that. The issue is the rejection by their leaders, and by those who fund and control those leaders, of peaceful coexistence.

    This is true, but mostly they have been nomadic and have never organized into a political entity with governance. Also, there were no Arabs when Israel was first formed as a Jewish State.

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  29. Sisyphus Member
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    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    The concept of a “Palestinian people” did not exist before 1967.

    Imagine Latin-Americans suddenly declaring California to be the homeland of the “Californian people,” meaning only those of Latin-American descent, and you get a glimpse of the fraud perpetrated by the Arab world and its useful idiots — governments of nations everywhere, but especially those in the West.

    The P. P. (Palestinian people or peepee) charade is nothing but worldwide agitprop for the destruction of Israel.

     

    I think one has to recognise that Arabs have lived in what is now Israel for centuries. What they call themselves, or since when, doesn’t change that. The issue is the rejection by their leaders, and by those who fund and control those leaders, of peaceful coexistence.

    One has to recognize the subtext wherever the identity game is being played. (I identify as the identifier, and whatever slanderous bilge issues from my maw concerning all y’all is ontologically and legally binding. Just sayin.

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  30. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    JoshuaFinch (View Comment):

    The concept of a “Palestinian people” did not exist before 1967.

    Imagine Latin-Americans suddenly declaring California to be the homeland of the “Californian people,” meaning only those of Latin-American descent, and you get a glimpse of the fraud perpetrated by the Arab world and its useful idiots — governments of nations everywhere, but especially those in the West.

    The P. P. (Palestinian people or peepee) charade is nothing but worldwide agitprop for the destruction of Israel.

     

    I think one has to recognise that Arabs have lived in what is now Israel for centuries. What they call themselves, or since when, doesn’t change that. The issue is the rejection by their leaders, and by those who fund and control those leaders, of peaceful coexistence.

    This is one of the big lies of the peepee narrative. Significant Arab settlement in the land of Israel followed Jewish settlement there, just as significant Latin settlement of California followed American settlement here. Yes, there was a sparse Arab population there just as there was a sparse Latin population here, but there was zero sense of nationhood among either of these groups.

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