Bottom Line on the Global Warming Hoax

 

The climate is always changing and has been since the earth developed an atmosphere.

We are currently in a mild century old warming period, although there has been negligible warming during the last 15 years. The Northern Hemisphere has experienced about 0.74±0.18°C over the period 1906–2019.

Anthropogenic factors have influenced temperatures, but contrary to claims by some climate scientists, we have no idea of how much. There are thousands of factors affecting climate change and human activity is actually one of the least influential. Humans, for example, contribute only about 4% of any additions to world CO2, the oceans and the rest of nature provide the balance. According to the IPCC in 2007, annual anthropogenic emissions of worldwide CO2 totaled approximately 32Gt and nature emits about 770 Gt each year — a ratio of 24-1, nature vs. man.

And that is part of the problem. The global climate is too complex of a system to be studied scientifically, at least with our current scientific tools. The climate scientists avoid the problem of control, repeatability, reproducibility and falsifiability by claiming that all of those thousands (perhaps millions) of climate influences miraculously cancel each other, thereby leaving only ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING. Unfortunately, such a tactic leaves any conclusion by these scientists highly suspect.

Yes, we are experiencing global warming, man is responsible for some of it, probably a very small part, but no one has a clue of just how much. It is foolish, knowing how little we really know, to spend a fortune, impoverishing the world as a result, to solve a problem that may not really exist or actually may be beneficial to most of the world. Besides, most of us would rather be warmer than cooler.

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  1. Jim McConnell Member
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    And who is getting all those billions we are spending on mitigating Climate Change? Al Gore was in on the ground floor of that hoax, selling Carbon Credits.

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  2. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf 🚫 Banned
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    MichaelCrane: Anthropogenic factors have influenced temperatures, but contrary to claims by some climate scientists, we have no idea of how much.

    That figure may even be ZERO.

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  3. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Here is an excellent link for those here who are members over at  “X.”

    We can experience the remarkable Australian geologist, Prof. Ian Plimer, as he demolishes the “man-made global warming” scam, in just over a minute.:

    “No one has yet shown that human emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming, and if they did, they’d also have to show that the natural emissions—and that’s 97% of the total—don’t drive global warming.” “Then I look back in time through my geological eyes, and look at times in the past when we have very high carbon dioxide contents of the atmosphere, up to hundreds of times higher than now, and we see that we didn’t have runaway global warming… But what we did have is six major ice ages, and there is no correlation over geological time between carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and temperature.”

    https://twitter.com/Haosou1/status/1776567559971590510

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  4. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    MichaelCrane: The global climate is too complex of a system to be studied scientifically, at least with our current scientific tools.

    Of course this is right. And this is what gets me about laymen who shout “follow the science” on this issue.  Not only do scientists not know if man generated CO2 is driving the recent warming trends, the whole question of whether man generated Co2 is driving the recent warming is not knowable.

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  5. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Welcome to Ricochet, Michael!

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  6. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    MichaelCrane: The global climate is too complex of a system to be studied scientifically, at least with our current scientific tools.

    Of course this is right. And this is what gets me about laymen who shout “follow the science” on this issue. Not only do scientists not know if man generated CO2 is driving the recent warming trends, the whole question of whether man generated Co2 is driving the recent warming is not knowable.

    It can be studied scientifically, but it can be simplified to saying that doubling CO2 will warm the earth by 2 degrees C. 

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  7. philo Member
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    MichaelCrane: The global climate is too complex of a system to be studied scientifically…

    Sorry, it can be studied scientifically, it just isn’t by those who collect funding handouts to pretend to do so. It is just really hard – impossible –  to characterize is a simple, easy to understand, accurate, and relevant form for the non-thinking masses. And it really cannot be simplified to a single figure of merit (i.e., average annual global temperature). With that, I will now start poking on this unnecessary concession in the debate:

    MichaelCrane: Yes, we are experiencing global warming…

    On second thought, I’ll just let you enjoy a good first post. Welcome.

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  8. Samuel Block Staff
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    Good post, Michael. And nice to meet you.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    MichaelCrane: Humans, for example, contribute only about 4% of any additions to world CO2, the oceans and the rest of nature provide the balance. According to the IPCC in 2007, annual anthropogenic emissions of worldwide CO2 totaled approximately 32Gt and nature emits about 770 Gt each year — a ratio of 24-1, nature vs. man.

    Seems important. lol

    Of course, the communist media isn’t going to say this.

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  10. Stad Coolidge
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    Nobody on the left wants the idea made known that the rise in global tempatures with the rise of the industrial revolution could simply be a coincidence . . .

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  11. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    YOU are the carbon they want to reduce:

    All these projects to move everything to electric, cars, cooking, heating. But there hasnt been any efforts made to expand the electric grid. This energy policy has been designed by Underpants Gnomes.

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  12. John Park Member
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    We are in a cool warming period that precedes another cold period. These alternating periods have been in place before in world history.

     

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    All these projects to move everything to electric, cars, cooking, heating. But there hasnt been any efforts made to expand the electric grid. This energy policy has been designed by Underpants Gnomes.

    Well said. 

    Unless you switch to nuke, it’s not even “cleaner”.  I think part of what is going on is small nuclear reactors would be harder for the politicians and the electricity executives to use to rip everybody off or force them around. They could have genuinely tested small nuclear reactors 20 years ago. I think it’s politics and stealing.

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  14. Western Chauvinist Member
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    MichaelCrane: Yes, we are experiencing global warming, man is responsible for some of it,

    I reject the premise. I have very little confidence that man is responsible for any climate change at all, except perhaps a very localized effect. There is no evidence — certainly none related to CO2 emissions. Models are not evidence.

    Man-made climate alarmism is simply the latest hysteria intended to concentrate power in (Marxist) government and enrich so-called “green” industries, which would carpet the earth with manmade wind and solar farms using tons of concrete, non-reusable/recyclable fiber glass, and rare earth minerals mined by slaves in China and elsewhere, if given the chance. “Green” is another lie told by the Left and is actually anti-nature and antihuman.

    But, welcome to Ricochet anyway. I’ll try not to hold back on what I really think next time. ;-)

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  15. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    All these projects to move everything to electric, cars, cooking, heating. But there hasnt been any efforts made to expand the electric grid. This energy policy has been designed by Underpants Gnomes.

    Well said.

    Unless you switch to nuke, it’s not even “cleaner”. I think part of what is going on is small nuclear reactors would be harder for the politicians and the electricity executives to use to rip everybody off or force them around. They could have genuinely tested small nuclear reactors 20 years ago. I think it’s politics and stealing.

    Funny you should mention that.

    Edison Motors is a Merritt-based company that makes electric-powered logging trucks—the first of its kind in B.C.

    Yet the company has never received a CleanBC grant—funded by the carbon tax—intended to help such cutting-edge technology, despite applying multiple times, says its founder, Chace Barber.

    “We haven’t gotten a single one, despite three years of applying,” he said Monday. “But we’re like, we’re doing innovative stuff, how come we’re not getting any?”

    The company’s frustrations went viral this past weekend with TikTok videos flagging concerns about alleged or potential conflicts of interest by a consulting company, MNP LLP.

    MNP has been contracted by the province to administer the CleanBC grants, and it also writes applications.

    Barber says he doesn’t think MNP broke any rules, but says his company felt pressured to hire them, even at a so-called 20 per cent success fee.

    “MNP was administering a grant, they turned us down for the grant, and then said basically, like ‘Hey, we administer grants, we know what we’re doing, we’re going to write your grant. You’re going to have a lot better chance of getting your grants if you hire us,’” said Barber.

    CTV Vancouver

    The socialist (NDP) BC government is vigorously defending MNP of allegations, which to me, would indicate that they’re involved. Or were aware of the corruption, and did nothing to stop it.

    This is the primary problem with government spending powers, they’re easily abused and corrupting.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    All these projects to move everything to electric, cars, cooking, heating. But there hasnt been any efforts made to expand the electric grid. This energy policy has been designed by Underpants Gnomes.

    Well said.

    Unless you switch to nuke, it’s not even “cleaner”. I think part of what is going on is small nuclear reactors would be harder for the politicians and the electricity executives to use to rip everybody off or force them around. They could have genuinely tested small nuclear reactors 20 years ago. I think it’s politics and stealing.

    Funny you should mention that.

    Edison Motors is a Merritt-based company that makes electric-powered logging trucks—the first of its kind in B.C.

    Yet the company has never received a CleanBC grant—funded by the carbon tax—intended to help such cutting-edge technology, despite applying multiple times, says its founder, Chace Barber.

    “We haven’t gotten a single one, despite three years of applying,” he said Monday. “But we’re like, we’re doing innovative stuff, how come we’re not getting any?”

    The company’s frustrations went viral this past weekend with TikTok videos flagging concerns about alleged or potential conflicts of interest by a consulting company, MNP LLP.

    MNP has been contracted by the province to administer the CleanBC grants, and it also writes applications.

    Barber says he doesn’t think MNP broke any rules, but says his company felt pressured to hire them, even at a so-called 20 per cent success fee.

    “MNP was administering a grant, they turned us down for the grant, and then said basically, like ‘Hey, we administer grants, we know what we’re doing, we’re going to write your grant. You’re going to have a lot better chance of getting your grants if you hire us,’” said Barber.

    CTV Vancouver

    The socialist (NDP) BC government is vigorously defending MNP of allegations, which to me, would indicate that they’re involved. Or were aware of the corruption, and did nothing to stop it.

    This is the primary problem with government spending powers, they’re easily abused and corrupting.

    Didn’t I read somewhere recently that Edison is in big trouble, perhaps already out of business?

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  17. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t I read somewhere recently that Edison is in big trouble, perhaps already out of business?

    As far as I know. They’re still in business.

    Edison is a popular name for electric stuff. There is also an EdisonFuture in California… Maybe confusing similar names?

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t I read somewhere recently that Edison is in big trouble, perhaps already out of business?

    As far as I know. They’re still in business.

    Edison is a popular name for electric stuff. There is also an EdisonFuture in California… Maybe confusing similar names?

    Does EdisonFuture also do electric vehicles?  It was definitely an electric vehicle company, and I’m pretty sure they were referring to trucks.

    But the stories I saw may have been just about their “problems” with the subsidy stuff.

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  19. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t I read somewhere recently that Edison is in big trouble, perhaps already out of business?

    As far as I know. They’re still in business.

    Edison is a popular name for electric stuff. There is also an EdisonFuture in California… Maybe confusing similar names?

    Does EdisonFuture also do electric vehicles? It was definitely an electric vehicle company, and I’m pretty sure they were referring to trucks.

    But the stories I saw may have been just about their “problems” with the subsidy stuff.

    From my quick google, it looks like EdisonFuture does pick up trucks… I think mostly recreational trucks for urban cowboys.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t I read somewhere recently that Edison is in big trouble, perhaps already out of business?

    As far as I know. They’re still in business.

    Edison is a popular name for electric stuff. There is also an EdisonFuture in California… Maybe confusing similar names?

    Does EdisonFuture also do electric vehicles? It was definitely an electric vehicle company, and I’m pretty sure they were referring to trucks.

    But the stories I saw may have been just about their “problems” with the subsidy stuff.

    From my quick google, it looks like EdisonFuture does pick up trucks… I think mostly recreational trucks for urban cowboys.

    On YouTube at least, it’s all about Edison Motors which is the Canada company.  I see now they have their own YouTube channel and several of the videos appear to be about the subsidy stuff.

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  21. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t I read somewhere recently that Edison is in big trouble, perhaps already out of business?

    As far as I know. They’re still in business.

    Edison is a popular name for electric stuff. There is also an EdisonFuture in California… Maybe confusing similar names?

    Does EdisonFuture also do electric vehicles? It was definitely an electric vehicle company, and I’m pretty sure they were referring to trucks.

    But the stories I saw may have been just about their “problems” with the subsidy stuff.

    From my quick google, it looks like EdisonFuture does pick up trucks… I think mostly recreational trucks for urban cowboys.

    On YouTube at least, it’s all about Edison Motors which is the Canada company. I see now they have their own YouTube channel and several of the videos appear to be about the subsidy stuff.

    Yea, the subsidy stuff just blew up in the past week.

    • #21
  22. RufusRJones Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    All these projects to move everything to electric, cars, cooking, heating. But there hasnt been any efforts made to expand the electric grid. This energy policy has been designed by Underpants Gnomes.

    Well said.

    Unless you switch to nuke, it’s not even “cleaner”. I think part of what is going on is small nuclear reactors would be harder for the politicians and the electricity executives to use to rip everybody off or force them around. They could have genuinely tested small nuclear reactors 20 years ago. I think it’s politics and stealing.

    Funny you should mention that.

    Edison Motors is a Merritt-based company that makes electric-powered logging trucks—the first of its kind in B.C.

    Yet the company has never received a CleanBC grant—funded by the carbon tax—intended to help such cutting-edge technology, despite applying multiple times, says its founder, Chace Barber.

    “We haven’t gotten a single one, despite three years of applying,” he said Monday. “But we’re like, we’re doing innovative stuff, how come we’re not getting any?”

    The company’s frustrations went viral this past weekend with TikTok videos flagging concerns about alleged or potential conflicts of interest by a consulting company, MNP LLP.

    MNP has been contracted by the province to administer the CleanBC grants, and it also writes applications.

    Barber says he doesn’t think MNP broke any rules, but says his company felt pressured to hire them, even at a so-called 20 per cent success fee.

    “MNP was administering a grant, they turned us down for the grant, and then said basically, like ‘Hey, we administer grants, we know what we’re doing, we’re going to write your grant. You’re going to have a lot better chance of getting your grants if you hire us,’” said Barber.

    CTV Vancouver

    The socialist (NDP) BC government is vigorously defending MNP of allegations, which to me, would indicate that they’re involved. Or were aware of the corruption, and did nothing to stop it.

    This is the primary problem with government spending powers, they’re easily abused and corrupting.

    I read that twice. That is incredible. It’s such a scam. 

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  23. MichaelCrane Inactive
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Welcome to Ricochet, Michael!

    Thank you, You are welcome.

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  24. MichaelCrane Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    MichaelCrane: Anthropogenic factors have influenced temperatures, but contrary to claims by some climate scientists, we have no idea of how much.

    That figure may even be ZERO.

    I doubt that it is zero, but it certainly is VERY low.  Remember the metaphysical theory that even a butterfly flapping its wings can effect weather.

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  25. MichaelCrane Inactive
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    And who is getting all those billions we are spending on mitigating Climate Change? Al Gore was in on the ground floor of that hoax, selling Carbon Credits.

    Yes he was, along with Clinton,  Obama and many other Dems.  They all profited from the hoax.

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  26. MichaelCrane Inactive
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    Samuel Block (View Comment):

    Good post, Michael. And nice to meet you.

    Thank you, much more to come.

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  27. MichaelCrane Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MichaelCrane: Yes, we are experiencing global warming, man is responsible for some of it,

    I reject the premise. I have very little confidence that man is responsible for any climate change at all, except perhaps a very localized effect. There is no evidence — certainly none related to CO2 emissions. Models are not evidence.

    Man-made climate alarmism is simply the latest hysteria intended to concentrate power in (Marxist) government and enrich so-called “green” industries, which would carpet the earth with manmade wind and solar farms using tons of concrete, non-reusable/recyclable fiber glass, and rare earth minerals mined by slaves in China and elsewhere, if given the chance. “Green” is another lie told by the Left and is actually anti-nature and antihuman.

    But, welcome to Ricochet anyway. I’ll try not to hold back on what I really think next time. ;-)

    Almost everything can effect climate, even though it may be one trillionth of one percent.

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  28. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Nobody on the left wants the idea made known that the rise in global tempatures with the rise of the industrial revolution could simply be a coincidence . . .

    Which means the rise would be related to sun spot or other solar activities, as well as to other phenomena.

    Of course, many of us doubt that the temps are getting hotter. When such does occur, the microwave frequencies from satellites attempting to prolong heat waves in various places or to create other “needed” weather systems – those frequencies are off the charts. (Those who know which types of weather maps can easily find such abnormal activity – which by the way was blanketing all of Calif, northern Mexico and some of Oregon over the past weekends.)

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  29. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    John Park (View Comment):

    We are in a cool warming period that precedes another cold period. These alternating periods have been in place before in world history.

    Snapped this in the Museum of London: 

    Chart shows the local temperature from 500,000 years ago to today.  It doesn’t take a climate scientist to notice that we seem to be nearing one of the peaks.

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  30. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Nobody on the left wants the idea made known that the rise in global tempatures with the rise of the industrial revolution could simply be a coincidence . . .

    Or perhaps the causation runs the other way around, perhaps the industrial revolution occurred during an era when rising global temperatures increased arable land and lengthened growing seasons enough to free a sufficient number of inventors and entrepreneurs from the backbreaking toil of subsistence farming.

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